BillsVet Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Now how am I supposed to watch the draft!? Get ready for a healthy dose of Bucky Brooks. I'm OK with Daniel Jeremiah, but not having Mayock will make the draft process less interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Man this is going to hurt watch the draft now. He was great during the draft. He seemed to have stats on every player. I bet he’s not going to have to deal with a lot of the GM duties there. Gruden hires him for his draft study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Well he gets to be in the room, Gruden has the keys and that is why a guy like Mayock was picked. I've always liked Mayock. I hope he does well Which is to say you'd like the Raiduhs to do well. I can't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I don't care about he Raiders. Does this mean Daniel Jeremiah becomes the main draft guy? I always liked him and his takes. Jeremiah is good. Definitely my favorite after Mayock. He also gets more exposeure on NFL media than Mayock, so that might be connected. (His podcast is good if you can get past how annoying Bucky Brooks is.) I will miss Mayocks assessments. I hope he isn’t replaced by another player who’s doesn’t know what he’s talking about. as for the hire, I think people underestimate how much Mayock knows about the business. I wish him well, but I’m stymied that he’d hitch his wagon to that 3-legged horse. Also- while we all probably expect this to end in diaster, it could be a decent springboard for mayock. Use the expierience and opportunity to build contacts, blame the mistakes on the haircuts, and move on to greener pastures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 No surprise. They tried really hard to get him 10 years ago and he wouldn't bite. He and Gruden must see eye to eye or else he wouldn't have made the move. On the plus side, this means more Daniel Jeremiah during draft season, which makes me happy. Unless DJ takes a job, which he's turned down all interviews for in the past because he doesn't want to take time away from family and efforts into his church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 54 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Get ready for a healthy dose of Bucky Brooks. I'm OK with Daniel Jeremiah, but not having Mayock will make the draft process less interesting. At least we still have Rich Eisen and Charles Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I actually like the hire, I don't think he'd back down from Gruden when push comes to shove and he is incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to prospects, he'll now have a whole team of hand picked Scouts to help him evaluate even more, yes there is more to the GM position than just the Draft but he can grow into that roll, hire a financial type guy like we did when Whaley was GM here. I don't think it was on Gruden that they lost both Mack and Cooper, why would any coach want to lose 2 of it's best players? That seemed like a major cap blunder under Reggie McKenzie that had to be addressed or they'd lose both for nothing, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I liked him when he did Thursday Night Football games and was a decent analysist, but does he have any experience in management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Classic Raiders move. "The Foolish Club" indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, sullim4 said: Classic Raiders move. "The Foolish Club" indeed. He hasn't even made one move yet haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 How am I supposed to watch the NFL Network's coverage of the draft now?? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, the skycap said: How am I supposed to watch the NFL Network's coverage of the draft now?? I hope he got HUGE $$$ because now he has to deal with Gruden. I suppose he can always go back to the good life after this implodes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, the skycap said: How am I supposed to watch the NFL Network's coverage of the draft now?? The wig will still be there for entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Matt Millen was supposedly consulted if this was a good idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: The wig will still be there for entertainment The wig is funny Bubba, but he's on ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 The Raiders spend so much on the FO they can’t afford players. Like.....future HOF potential players..... a/k/a Mr Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just now, the skycap said: The wig is funny Bubba, but he's on ESPN Yeah I know, just had to throw that out there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I don't know why people are shocked Gruden blew up Oakland. It's been a long time since they've seen the playoffs. He's had success in the past, let the man work. It will be a process that will take time. They really weren't close to a contending team before those trades. Now they have three first round picks to try to jump-start their rebuild. Fans get too caught up with the immediate effects with some trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: I don't know why people are shocked Gruden blew up Oakland. It's been a long time since they've seen the playoffs. He's had success in the past, let the man work. It will be a process that will take time. They really weren't close to a contending team before those trades. Now they have three first round picks to try to jump-start their rebuild. Fans get too caught up with the immediate effects with some trades. I lived in the Tampa market when he won the SB with Dungy’s team. It was common knowledge and widely reported that many players didn’t like or trust him. He won the SB against his own offense, without any real changes in calls, formations, or anything else. John Lynch was on film LAUGHING that they didn’t change anything. They KNEW everything that was coming. The Raiders should be charged with negligence for that loss. Gruden is the QB Whisperer? Who has he ever developed? Rich Gannon was my age and had already figured it out on his own. Gruden was never known, to my knowledge, to be a draft genius. I also suspect his ego is too big to listen to anyone else, so drafts are looking iffy. Full disclosure: our sons spent a lot of time on the field together at 7 on 7’s at USF, and I learned to dislike him up close and personal. But the Tampa market in general disliked him in his time there, despite winning a SB. What does THAT tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, Augie said: I lived in the Tampa market when he won the SB with Dungy’s team. It was common knowledge and widely reported that many players didn’t like or trust him. He won the SB against his own offense, without any real changes in calls, formations, or anything else. John Lynch was on film LAUGHING that they didn’t change anything. They KNEW everything that was coming. The Raiders should be charged with negligence for that loss. Gruden is the QB Whisperer? Who has he ever developed? Rich Gannon was my age and had already figured it out on his own. Gruden was never known, to my knowledge, to be a draft genius. I also suspect his ego is too big to listen to anyone else, so drafts are looking iffy. Full disclosure: our sons spent a lot of time on the field together at 7 on 7’s at USF, and I learned to dislike him up close and personal. But the Tampa market in general disliked him in his time there, despite winning a SB. What does THAT tell you? Very few coaches reach the super bowl. It’s been a while since he’s coached. People can improve as they see things from different perspectives. I think he deserves a chance. Mistakes are made and people can learn from them. He has plenty of draft picks to work with and he’s not alone in building this team. Fans don’t like him rebuilding a team that hasn’t seen the playoffs in 16 years. They weren’t close to being a contender haha. Don’t understand the enormous amount of hate tossed at that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Very few coaches reach the super bowl. It’s been a while since he’s coached. People can improve as they see things from different perspectives. I think he deserves a chance. Mistakes are made and people can learn from them. He has plenty of draft picks to work with and he’s not alone in building this team. Fans don’t like him rebuilding a team that hasn’t seen the playoffs in 16 years. They weren’t close to being a contender haha. Don’t understand the enormous amount of hate tossed at that situation. I just watched while I was in market, then got to walk on the same 7 on 7 fields with him and listen to him denegrate 16-17 year old kids. That made a very bad impression. But I wish him well. Sounds odd, maybe, but no hatred. Edited January 1, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Augie said: I just watched while I was in market, then got to walk on the same 7 on 7 fields fields with him and listen to him denegrate 16-17 year old kids. That made a very bad impression. But I wish him well. Sounds odd, maybe, but no hatred. I’d need more details to give a better opinion but I’ve known plenty of 16-17 year olds that could’ve used some constructive criticism and a good kick in the pants. Anyway, he now has the draft picks to bring in multiple talents instead of riding on one guy on defense. An overhaul of that roster is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, MAJBobby said: As per Scheftner. I have always wondered if there was ever going to be a team that would take the NFL Draft Personality and make him a GM. I guess it is the Raiders. Will be be interesting to see how he does. Someone that has just watched a lot of film. Played briefly and NEVER been in an NFL FO gets the Keys to build a franchise. But don't forget,he travels around the country and talks to the young athletes..face to face.He's a hard worker..reminds me of a 10th grade history teacher..facts,finger pointing to a map of Germany and Poland...then bam..it's actually the field that sits inside of Sanford Stadium in Athens,Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: I’d need more details to give a better opinion but I’ve known plenty of 16-17 year olds that could’ve used some constructive criticism and a good kick in the pants. Anyway, he now has the draft picks to bring in multiple talents instead of riding on one guy on defense. An overhaul of that roster is needed. If an NFL coach is yelling “you have to go at #42, that kid can’t cover anyone” talking about a 16 year old kid, a boundary has been crossed. I was not there for that particular quote, but I got it from multiple sources and I heard many just like it. His son looked like a fireplug on steroids. The rage was flaring when my son would pick him of in the end zone, or beat him on the other side. They were easy to dislike. I love competing, I dislike jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I feel really bad for Raider fans. Going from Carr, Cooper and Mack to Gruden and Mayock. Bad owners <<<<< Well said. “The best pro day I ever saw was JaMarcus Russell,” NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock told Dan Patrick on Pro Football Talk. “I’ve never seen a quarterback throw a football like that in my life.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, wppete said: Being a G.M. is a lot more than just the draft. This should be interesting. More chaos with the raiders. But did they interview a minority G.M. for the job? I’m not sure about that rule. It doesn’t make sense. I honestly feel sorry for the Raiders. Just when you thought the Gruden hire was a disaster, along comes Mayock as their GM. Wow, pure stupidity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: I don't know why people are shocked Gruden blew up Oakland. It's been a long time since they've seen the playoffs. He's had success in the past, let the man work. It will be a process that will take time. They really weren't close to a contending team before those trades. Now they have three first round picks to try to jump-start their rebuild. Fans get too caught up with the immediate effects with some trades. They were in the playoffs in 2016. They were 12-4. They had 7 ProBowl players. Two of which Gruden traded away this year. Carr was hurt in the 15th game of the season and missed the playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: More TV guys running the team is what they needed! As long as it’s not MY team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I can see NFLN throwing a bunch of money at Todd McShay to steal him away from the Evil Empire. ESPN isn't big enough for the egos of both Kiper and McShay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 15 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Analytics doesn't win you championships... if it did, the Cheatriots wouldn't have won as many times as they have. Analytics will go the way of the Run and Shoot as gimmicky and ineffective... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/01/eagles-patriots-both-relied-on-analytics-to-help-them-reach-the-super-bowl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: I don't know why people are shocked Gruden blew up Oakland. It's been a long time since they've seen the playoffs. He's had success in the past, let the man work. It will be a process that will take time. They really weren't close to a contending team before those trades. Now they have three first round picks to try to jump-start their rebuild. Fans get too caught up with the immediate effects with some trades. It's been two years since their 12-4 season spearheaded by Carr, Cooper, and Mack. Not retaining talent is the key to being a middle of the road franchise with a lot of "rebuild" cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: Very few coaches reach the super bowl. It’s been a while since he’s coached. People can improve as they see things from different perspectives. I think he deserves a chance. Mistakes are made and people can learn from them. He has plenty of draft picks to work with and he’s not alone in building this team. Fans don’t like him rebuilding a team that hasn’t seen the playoffs in 16 years. They weren’t close to being a contender haha. Don’t understand the enormous amount of hate tossed at that situation. Guessing part of it is he traded the best defensive player in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Augie said: If an NFL coach is yelling “you have to go at #42, that kid can’t cover anyone” talking about a 16 year old kid, a boundary has been crossed. I was not there for that particular quote, but I got it from multiple sources and I heard many just like it. His son looked like a fireplug on steroids. The rage was flaring when my son would pick him of in the end zone, or beat him on the other side. They were easy to dislike. I love competing, I dislike jerks. If you are an offensive player, you have to believe you are going to beat your defender and have the confidence to go right at them. It's a different style of coaching, not my favorite but still a style of coaching. It's to try to get both players to play with more fire. It works for some and it offends others. I've experienced coaches like that and if you don't have the same type of mentality, you are likely to dislike them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They were in the playoffs in 2016. They were 12-4. They had 7 ProBowl players. Two of which Gruden traded away this year. Carr was hurt in the 15th game of the season and missed the playoff game. Forgot about that season. Yes they were good but clearly things fell apart. The haul that they got out of both players was worth it to me. Both players were going to need big contracts, Mack's being massive. With Carr getting paid, they can't have another massive contract on the books. Tough decision but one that should be made. Don't know why so many were surprised by the moves. 3 hours ago, nucci said: Guessing part of it is he traded the best defensive player in the league Yes but Mack got a massive contract and they have Carr's contract already. Instead they'll have a few players on rookie contracts. Makes it much easier to add more pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I bet Mel Kiper is PISSED !! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 9:29 AM, Never NEVER Give-up said: ...the Lions hired Matt Millen . . . hmmmm, how did that work out????? He was a far better ‘colour man’ on radio broadcasts than Lions’ GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 What a strange hire? Can he handle the salary cap? The day to day stuff? WE had a GM who didn't manage the salary cap and from the presser earlier this week it was messed up according to Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts