Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Sorry for the formatting. Also, I recognize that some guys didn't play full games, but it's the best I could do G Played Yards Comp % YDS/A TD Int Sack Rating YDS/G Rush Y Rush T Total TD Total Yrds Mayfield 13 3349 64.6 7.54 24 11 25 95.1 258 131 1 25 3480 Darnold 12 2698 57.8 6.99 17 15 26 77.8 225 110 1 18 2808 Rosen 13 2129 55.4 5.93 10 14 39 66 164 138 0 10 2267 Allen 11 1850 51.7 6.29 7 11 27 63.7 168 536 6 13 2386 Jackson 6 1022 58.2 7 6 3 14 84.9 68 605 3 9 1627 If they played 16 games G Played Yards Comp % YDS/A TD Int Sack Rating YDS/G Rush Y Rush T Total TD Total Yrds Mayfield 13 4122 64.6 7.54 30 14 31 95.1 258 161 1 31 4283 Darnold 12 3597 57.8 6.99 23 20 35 77.8 225 147 1 24 3744 Rosen 13 2620 55.4 5.93 12 17 48 66 164 170 0 12 2790 Allen 11 2691 51.7 6.29 10 16 39 63.7 168 780 9 19 3471 Jackson 6 2725 58.2 7 16 8 37 84.9 68 1613 8 24 4339 Edited December 31, 2018 by Virgil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 You might be building your team wrong if your QB gets sacked 40-50 times. These rookies came into some ***** situations. The completion percentage for Jackson is actually the most shocking to me. His ball placement was god awful in college. He basically feasted on terrible defenses and garbage time against good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 Jackson's throws usually come with no pressure, on play-action, to a guy just running drag routes. The fear of his rushing ability changes the entire dynamic of the game. I don't see any way in which it holds up as it hasn't for any QB in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, Virgil said: Sorry for the formatting. Also, I recognize that some guys didn't play full games, but it's the best I could do G Played Yards Comp % YDS/A TD Int Sack Rating YDS/G Rush Y Rush T Total TD Total Yrds Mayfield 13 3349 64.6 7.54 24 11 25 95.1 258 131 1 25 3480 Darnold 12 2698 57.8 6.99 17 15 26 77.8 225 110 1 18 2808 Rosen 13 2129 55.4 5.93 10 14 39 66 164 138 0 10 2267 Allen 11 1850 51.7 6.29 7 11 27 63.7 168 536 6 13 2386 Jackson 6 1022 58.2 7 6 3 14 84.9 68 605 3 9 1627 If they played 16 games G Played Yards Comp % YDS/A TD Int Sack Rating YDS/G Rush Y Rush T Total TD Total Yrds Mayfield 13 4122 64.6 7.54 30 14 31 95.1 258 161 1 31 4283 Darnold 12 3597 57.8 6.99 23 20 35 77.8 225 147 1 24 3744 Rosen 13 2620 55.4 5.93 12 17 48 66 164 170 0 12 2790 Allen 11 2691 51.7 6.29 10 16 39 63.7 168 780 9 19 3471 Jackson 6 2725 58.2 7 16 8 37 84.9 68 1613 8 24 4339 Josh Allen rushing total for the year is 631 so his 16 game total would be 918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: Josh Allen rushing total for the year is 631 so his 16 game total would be 918. I’m just looking at stats on ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I didn't watch much of the others. Mayfield has the best surrounding cast. JA passes the eye test and he has the worst WR and 2nd worst OL. It's still too early to tell. They may all be good/great QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 52 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m just looking at stats on ESPN His pass total for the season is: 12 games 52.8 comp pct. 2074 yds 10 TDs. 12 ints 16 games with 4 more games on par with today 2994 yds. 237/424. 55.6 comp pct. 22 TD's 16 ints 80 passer rating pretty good good for a rookie with no help!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Lenigmusx said: His pass total for the season is: 12 games 52.8 comp pct. 2074 yds 10 TDs. 12 ints 16 games with 4 more games on par with today 2994 yds. 237/424. 55.6 comp pct. 22 TD's 16 ints 80 passer rating pretty good good for a rookie with no help!!! Are you extrapolating out to 16 games using only his numbers from today? That’s not how it works. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 hours ago, Lenigmusx said: His pass total for the season is: 12 games 52.8 comp pct. 2074 yds 10 TDs. 12 ints 16 games with 4 more games on par with today 2994 yds. 237/424. 55.6 comp pct. 22 TD's 16 ints 80 passer rating pretty good good for a rookie with no help!!! It’s just hard for me to look at the numbers and say he isn’t the 3rd best of the 5. Like pre-draft, he has all the tools to be the best, but he’s not there. For me, it’s: Mayfield Darnold Allen Rosen Jackson Same way I felt pre-draft, only Allen and Rosen swapped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 10 hours ago, Virgil said: I’m just looking at stats on ESPN ESPN must not have included yesterday's games in their totals yet as per https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm and announced during the game Allen had 8 rushing TDs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 OP has the stats wrong. Gonna have to redo this one. Especially since yesterday was Allen's best game of the season and one of Darnold's worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Virgil said: I’m just looking at stats on ESPN They are late to update. Nfl.com is up to date immediately. 3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: OP has the stats wrong. Gonna have to redo this one. Especially since yesterday was Allen's best game of the season and one of Darnold's worst. Yes. The ones for allen are correct in my thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 good try, op! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, Virgil said: It’s just hard for me to look at the numbers and say he isn’t the 3rd best of the 5. Like pre-draft, he has all the tools to be the best, but he’s not there. For me, it’s: Mayfield Darnold Allen Rosen Jackson Same way I felt pre-draft, only Allen and Rosen swapped. Now which qb’s had better o-lines, receivers, and a run game to help him... i’ll Tell you the answer you don’t want to hear, all of them had better situation than Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, gordong said: Now which qb’s had better o-lines, receivers, and a run game to help him... i’ll Tell you the answer you don’t want to hear, all of them had better situation than Allen. Rosen had a pretty crappy situation. Oline there is garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 How is this prorated 16 game stats figured? I don’t think it’s very accurate. When mining the data and prorating it you have many of variables. You can’t just take the current data and divide by games and then multiply that number by 16. You have ave to take in account the strength of schedule, the defenses played as well as the players progression. Allen was a completely different player after coming back from injury and his play vs Miami showed even more progress. Rosen was on a team with no OL and one decimated by injury. Again too many variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, gordong said: Now which qb’s had better o-lines, receivers, and a run game to help him... i’ll Tell you the answer you don’t want to hear, all of them had better situation than Allen. They all had different players around them, coaches, game plans, opponents, circumstances, skill sets, personalities, etc., etc.... A fun exercise to compare the QBs; however, completely meaningless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Interesting.. i favored Rosen as the pick going into the draft but glad we got JA. As the season played out it was clear that a big athletic QB is great,,,,he can get those 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1's, dive over the goaline etc... and make plays to escape pressure. You don't see Rosen being able to do that. He will have to be a pocket passer and get much better. Mayfield has been awesome...his ball placement is mostly right on point. Darnold is good and will get better. Jackson has a solid team around him but he's been a huge spark and playing better than i thought he would. This seems like a really good 1st round QB class. Maybe the best one in years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I think it would be better to compare stats from the first game to the last game and use that a comparison of progress for the player. You can’t compare them to each other due to supporting casts. Baker has has some good stats but I think his very last play will become the norm for him as it’s hard for him to see over the line. If Allen continues to grow he might end up being the best of them all. He has more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: They are late to update. Nfl.com is up to date immediately. Yes. The ones for allen are correct in my thread. I’ll update them this afternoon. I didn’t realize ESPN was late to the party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I’ll update them this afternoon. I didn’t realize ESPN was late to the party It's not quite the same, but I took only the stats from each of their starts (Lamar's were super skewed otherwise) and extrapolated on a per attempt basis as opposed to a game by game basis. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) OP is not an Allen fan. I haven't watched enough of the others, but saw Darnold play worse then Allen vs. NE in back to back weeks, which means little, but if an Allen fan you'll say he's much better then him. Jackson looks good, but I don't think he's a good passer, but again has a much better offense and team behind him. I too expect the Chargers to win on the weekend. Look how quick Goff went from looking like a bust to a star when they added a great coach and a receiving corp (and oh yes Gurley in the backfield). As I keep harping, wake me up when a Bill receiver actually makes a play to help his qb. Edited December 31, 2018 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, MJS said: Rosen had a pretty crappy situation. Oline there is garbage. But he has Fitzgerald and David Johnson-we dont have a WR close to him and Johnson is better than what we have at RB. Their line was worse than ours but not by much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: OP is not an Allen fan. I haven't watched enough of the others, but saw Darnold play worse then Allen vs. NE in back to back weeks, which means little, but if an Allen fan you'll say he's much better then him. Jackson looks good, but I don't think he's a good passer, but again has a much better offense and team behind him. I too expect the Chargers to win on the weekend. Look how quick Goff went from looking like a bust to a star when they added a great coach and a receiving corp (and oh yes Gurley in the backfield). As I keep harping, wake me up when a Bill receiver actually makes a play to help his qb. And I’m not Allen fan based off what exactly? Maybe try not assuming what’s in my head. You can be critical and evaluate while also being a fan. Get off your crusade. In fact, feel free to read my first line of the Pats game review and tell me again how much I dislike him. Edited December 31, 2018 by Virgil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, zow2 said: Interesting.. i favored Rosen as the pick going into the draft but glad we got JA. As the season played out it was clear that a big athletic QB is great,,,,he can get those 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1's, dive over the goaline etc... and make plays to escape pressure. You don't see Rosen being able to do that. He will have to be a pocket passer and get much better. Mayfield has been awesome...his ball placement is mostly right on point. Darnold is good and will get better. Jackson has a solid team around him but he's been a huge spark and playing better than i thought he would. This seems like a really good 1st round QB class. Maybe the best one in years. Exactly. I too favoured Rosen ahead of Allen on draft day and I would also now take Allen before Rosen. And it's certainly not that I think less of Rosen now than I did then. The reason is I'm pretty comfortable with the notion that Allen will realize enuf of his potential to improve upon the things he needs to work on. He will never be Drew Brees accurate but he will be accurate (and consistent) enuf to be very effective as a threat passing the football. Then of course there is that other thing - I watched all the college tape I could find on Allen prior to the draft (as well as the other top four). What stood out plainly was that he was a man amongst boys. Perhaps not surprising given the conference. But then when he's on his game on an NFL playing field he often looks again like a man amongst boys (even tho he is the boy and they are the men), not like at WYO to be sure, but still he dominates. Thats flat out crazy. I've been watching pro football for 30 years. I see things in Allen that remind me of Elway, or Cam (closest comparison IMO) or Steve Young or Donovan McNab or even Vince Young but I don't think any of those guys (except maybe Cam) showed the same level of physical dominance as rooks as Allen has been able to flash consistently. His athleticism for playing the all important position is other worldly and in any scheme designed to accommodate it he will be a lethal force. I think the Bills struck gold. Kudos to Beane & the Bills. Since he's been mentioned a few times in this thread, a word on Lamar. He will develop as a passer IMO (like Josh). Adjusted for drops I believe he had the highest college completion percentage of the top 5. Broke 70% if memory serves. Lamar Jackson is no toy. He's the real deal. Ozzie knows football. The 2018 QB class was outstanding, not the best ever probably, but really good. Edited December 31, 2018 by starrymessenger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Mayfield has been good but has by far the most talent around him on offense. I'd like to see what all of these players do after their team's invest more in their offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 2:34 PM, Virgil said: It’s just hard for me to look at the numbers and say he isn’t the 3rd best of the 5. Like pre-draft, he has all the tools to be the best, but he’s not there. For me, it’s: Mayfield Darnold Allen Rosen Jackson Same way I felt pre-draft, only Allen and Rosen swapped. That is the order I have them based on their rookie years too Virgil. 2 and 3 are close but I just think Darnold has done more as a passer and that ultimately is why I give him the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Jackson had more rushes than completed passes ni 6 of his 7 games and in one of those games he had more rushes than attempted passes... 170 pass attempts and 133 rushes...he is a glorified RB that throws the ball. Gimmick offense, he shouldn't even be in the conversation, this won't last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) On 12/30/2018 at 9:43 PM, Virgil said: Jackson's throws usually come with no pressure, on play-action, to a guy just running drag routes. The fear of his rushing ability changes the entire dynamic of the game. I don't see any way in which it holds up as it hasn't for any QB in the past. Jackson threw for more yards than Allen in 6 games if I'm reading this correctly? Edit: no way that must be projected. Threw for just over 1000. He plays in a gimmicky offense for sure but he's been so good at what he's asked to do I'm sure he can adjust like Russel Wilson from an RPO offense to a more pro offense with likely more designed runs and scrambling type broken pass plays he had this year than Russell Wilson does. He looks like he could be anywhere between Vick and Wilson. I won't fault him for executing the offense asked of him flawlessly. That just tells me he has shown the ability to do exactly what the coaches draw up, and they should keep integrating him to a more pro-style offense as far as he's capable of executing it.. like Russell Wilson was developed in Seattle. I'm very high on Jackson. Not sure why any of us are discounting the season he had. Nothing wrong with exceeding all of what your asked to do, even if you're asked to run a collegy offense.. he's on the perfect page with his OC. In the NFL. That's a remarkable accomplishment. If his numbers are part of a system.. so what. He's running a successful NFL system in large part entirely built around what he's good at. Not necessarily to hide his faults. He's been great throwing the football I'm projecting Jackson, Baker, then Allen/Darnold as tossups as of now in that order of success. Not that Allen and Darnold have been bad at all or have nearly the help Lamar and Baker so. Lamar and Baker have just been so good this year and there's no reason to assume they won't improve and keep crushing it the next few years. Edited January 3, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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