TucsonBillsFan Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Don't get me wrong I like him as a clear RD2 wr and that's what he was projected to go in the second round so why is every mock draft I see the bills picking DK I mean clearly there is a lot more better options in my opinion. He is the fifth best wide receiver in this year's draft But in every latest mock draft the past few weeks the bills are all over him the experts think anyway let me know your thoughts I personally think the Bills should trade down to like pick 13 pick up a extra second and possibly a 5th and draft ol first..little should fall at 13th and with the 2 second round get a wr and a cb. Let me know your thoughts guys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) “Experts “ often put drafting for need first. It makes them look like they know what they’re doing by simply penciling in a team’s greatest deficiency in the first round. Who would argue ? That’s fine for casual NFL fans , but more educated fans know that putting need above all else in round one is a sign of a bad GM. The DL is a draft strength and while the Bills D is their stronger side, Sunday’s debacle vs NEs ground game exposed their D line. It will depend on the exact draft spot, but the Bills should pick a defensive player with their first selection in April. Edited December 27, 2018 by Boatdrinks 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Big time need next year and the Bills seem to like "toolsy" HWS players as evidenced by the 2018 1st round selections of Allen and Edmunds (The shoe in boys ) that they were willing to trade up for. D.K. Metcalf fits the profile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I think if you look at who we have drafted high it would tell you that our front office likes to swing for the fences with high upside guys that have potential to be top 3 at their position. If they have the athletic tools they believe they can coach'em up. D.K. Metcalf appears to have the tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, TucsonBillsFan said: Don't get me wrong I like him as a clear RD2 wr and that's what he was projected to go in the second round so why is every mock draft I see the bills picking DK I mean clearly there is a lot more better options in my opinion. He is the fifth best wide receiver in this year's draft But in every latest mock draft the past few weeks the bills are all over him the experts think anyway let me know your thoughts I personally think the Bills should trade down to like pick 13 pick up a extra second and possibly a 5th and draft ol first..little should fall at 13th and with the 2 second round get a wr and a cb. Let me know your thoughts guys The reason that he is there is that he is the highest ceiling guy. Metcalf CAN be a number 1. You have him at 5th best but most other outlets have him as the 1st one off the board. It will depend on how he heals and tests but it’s not crazy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TucsonBillsFan Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: “Experts “ often put drafting for need first. It makes them look like they know what they’re doing by simply penciling in a team’s greatest deficiency in the first round. Who would argue ? That’s fine for casual NFL fans , but more educated fans know that putting need above all else in round one is a sign of a bad GM. The DL is a draft strength and while the Bills D is their stronger side, Sunday’s debacle vs NEs ground game exposed their D line. It will depend on the exact draft spot, but the Bills should pick a defensive player with their first selection in April. I'd love them to and I think are coach and gm does as well..but I think they go offense because they don't want the media make them the laughingstock one more time. Plus jobs on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 minute ago, TucsonBillsFan said: I'd love them to and I think are coach and gm does as well..but I think they go offense because they don't want the media make them the laughingstock one more time. Plus jobs on the line If the GM and the Coach are thinking of placating the media when making their selection they should both be fired. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TucsonBillsFan Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If the GM and the Coach are thinking of placating the media when making their selection they should both be fired. I hope you're right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, TucsonBillsFan said: Don't get me wrong I like him as a clear RD2 wr and that's what he was projected to go in the second round so why is every mock draft I see the bills picking DK I mean clearly there is a lot more better options in my opinion. He is the fifth best wide receiver in this year's draft But in every latest mock draft the past few weeks the bills are all over him the experts think anyway let me know your thoughts I personally think the Bills should trade down to like pick 13 pick up a extra second and possibly a 5th and draft ol first..little should fall at 13th and with the 2 second round get a wr and a cb. Let me know your thoughts guys I think because he is a guy you could possibly target in the 2nd round......while taking a guy like Jonah in the 1st. This OL needs a lot of help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: I think because he is a guy you could possibly target in the 2nd round......while taking a guy like Jonah in the 1st. This OL needs a lot of help No chance Metcalf sees round 2. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: No chance Metcalf sees round 2. Lets see what happens when the injury reports start coming out..... Personally I am a Deebo Samuel guy in the 2nd round anyway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 It's December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, buffalover4life said: I think if you look at who we have drafted high it would tell you that our front office likes to swing for the fences with high upside guys that have potential to be top 3 at their position. If they have the athletic tools they believe they can coach'em up. D.K. Metcalf appears to have the tools. Looking at Robert Foster it appears they ate right they can. Saban couldnt get the guy to play to potential but our coaches seem to be doing it. 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think because he is a guy you could possibly target in the 2nd round......while taking a guy like Jonah in the 1st. This OL needs a lot of help True but free agency will dictate what we draft second to BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The reason that he is there is that he is the highest ceiling guy. Metcalf CAN be a number 1. You have him at 5th best but most other outlets have him as the 1st one off the board. It will depend on how he heals and tests but it’s not crazy. Does he have constant foot injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: “Experts “ often put drafting for need first. It makes them look like they know what they’re doing by simply penciling in a team’s greatest deficiency in the first round. Who would argue ? That’s fine for casual NFL fans , but more educated fans know that putting need above all else in round one is a sign of a bad GM. The DL is a draft strength and while the Bills D is their stronger side, Sunday’s debacle vs NEs ground game exposed their D line. It will depend on the exact draft spot, but the Bills should pick a defensive player with their first selection in April. Considering FA is a full 2 months before the draft too... We don't really know what the needs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufflow4 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I really like N’Keal Harry out of Arizona State. He is a junior coming out and just turned 21. He has been their main weapon all three years. DK has had Brown and Lodge drawing coverage away from him while Harry has been double teamed his whole college career. He just looks like a man among boys. He is one of those receivers who is open even when he’s not. He also has great run after catch abilities to go along with really good hands. He really seems to love the game and is a high quality guy off the field. I haven’t really heard any people talking about him in regards to the Bills but he would be at the top of my board at the receiver position. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: “Experts “ often put drafting for need first. It makes them look like they know what they’re doing by simply penciling in a team’s greatest deficiency in the first round. Who would argue ? That’s fine for casual NFL fans , but more educated fans know that putting need above all else in round one is a sign of a bad GM. The DL is a draft strength and while the Bills D is their stronger side, Sunday’s debacle vs NEs ground game exposed their D line. It will depend on the exact draft spot, but the Bills should pick a defensive player with their first selection in April. It exposed one de and our linebacking core. Not our defensive line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: It exposed one de and our linebacking core. Not our defensive line. Still showed an upgrade on the DL would be welcome. It’s not an elite unit and KW is getting old. Some elite talent in this draft on the DL so if the slot is right you take it. 13 minutes ago, dneveu said: Considering FA is a full 2 months before the draft too... We don't really know what the needs are. Granted, which is why these early mock drafts are even more ridiculous. The FA WR crop looks underwhelming at this point, so the writer was likely projecting a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Lets see what happens when the injury reports start coming out..... Personally I am a Deebo Samuel guy in the 2nd round anyway I like Deebo for this team too. 23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Does he have constant foot injuries? Worse, it’s a neck injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Still showed an upgrade on the DL would be welcome. It’s not an elite unit and KW is getting old. Some elite talent in this draft on the DL so if the slot is right you take it. Granted, which is why these early mock drafts are even more ridiculous. The FA WR crop looks underwhelming at this point, so the writer was likely projecting a bit. A rookie defensive linemen will do nothing for this team until our linebacking core is capable of holding their own. Looking from the perspective of the last game if we had any wrs to catch the ball at all we are still in the game. A rookie defensive linemen even if it was Aaron Donald wouldnt have stopped the patriots from the running the ball down our throats because he isnt filling the three gaps the linebackers are supposed to. So while i agree we need a replacement for kyle in the last game a wr that can catch would have had a bigger impact. Edited December 27, 2018 by Bill_with_it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: It exposed one de and our linebacking core. Not our defensive line. Who played well on the defensive line Sunday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: A rookie defensive linemen will do nothing for this team until our linebacking core is capable of holding their own. Looking from the perspective of the last game if we had any wrs to catch the ball at all we are still in the game. A rookie defensive linemen even if it was Aaron Donald wouldnt have stopped the patriots from the running the ball down our throats because he isnt filling the three gaps the linebackers are supposed to. So while i agree we need a replacement for kyle in the last game a wr that can catch would have had a bigger impact. I haven’t diagnosed the running plays enough to place all the blame on the LBs. It seems a stretch to think the DL had a strong performance with that kind of yardage allowed on the ground. Still, the high first round is for elite talent. This year, it’s on the DL and the standard in that draft spot needs to be higher than a WR that can catch. Those guys will be available in lower spots than the top ten of round 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, TucsonBillsFan said: Don't get me wrong I like him as a clear RD2 wr and that's what he was projected to go in the second round so why is every mock draft I see the bills picking DK I mean clearly there is a lot more better options in my opinion. He is the fifth best wide receiver in this year's draft But in every latest mock draft the past few weeks the bills are all over him the experts think anyway let me know your thoughts I personally think the Bills should trade down to like pick 13 pick up a extra second and possibly a 5th and draft ol first..little should fall at 13th and with the 2 second round get a wr and a cb. Let me know your thoughts guys Dude has Randy Moss type athletic ability. Without the injuries he probably goes top 5. It would be a shock if he went round 2. Right now I’m hoping for Metcalf round 1 and Cajuste round two 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, TucsonBillsFan said: Don't get me wrong I like him as a clear RD2 wr and that's what he was projected to go in the second round so why is every mock draft I see the bills picking DK I mean clearly there is a lot more better options in my opinion. He is the fifth best wide receiver in this year's draft But in every latest mock draft the past few weeks the bills are all over him the experts think anyway let me know your thoughts I personally think the Bills should trade down to like pick 13 pick up a extra second and possibly a 5th and draft ol first..little should fall at 13th and with the 2 second round get a wr and a cb. Let me know your thoughts guys Because you're probably going on sites like Walter Football and Bleacher report, those sites are pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) ...anybody think McBeane would pull this trigger in the top 10 or does he trade down and look for an extra 2nd, targeting someone else?.....the "WR in the 1st ghost of Whaley past" is lurking for some to pounce on if McBeane follows suit......despite a new era.................. Edited December 27, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Bill_with_it said: It exposed one de and our linebacking core. Not our defensive line. The D line lost contain, as has been clearly shown. How is that not exposing some issues there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The media 'draftnks' aren't always the brightest bulbs around. Kiper, for years, had us taking an OT in the first round, because we never replaced Jason Peters. A lot of those guys don't really watch the actual teams in the season, so aren't that well versed in where our needs are. They look at rankings and go off of that, a lot of the time. The D isn't ranked badly, so we won't go there to start with, would be a typical rationale, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I never understand why people get so wound up about mock drafts. It's even more head scratching when they do so before free agency. I might suggest more productive pursuits like, political punditry or video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The Bills need a WR and the mocks you happen to be seeing are people that are very high on him. The ESPN guys and WalterFootball and supposedly NFL teams don’t really see Metcalf as a first round prospect right now but there’s a long ways out still. This is a really deep WR class so my personal preference would be to go another route in the first round and take multiple WRs later but that’s just me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, TroutDog said: The D line lost contain, as has been clearly shown. How is that not exposing some issues there? Because it is one game? The numbers over the course of the year do not show that we have been a bad run stop team.....there have been some games As much as we B word about this D it has been pretty good......and sometimes the offense just has to help a defense out against good teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 DK Metcalf has one of the better skill sets among receiver prospects to go along with the best combination of measurables. He's big and fast, runs good routes and catches the ball when he's targeted. There wouldn't be much question about him being a top prospect at WR if he'd been healthy all year. It's the neck injury that throws a wrench into the evaluation process. Whether or not Beane would actually take him that high depends on how much he trusts the medical evaluations and small sample size in productivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Because it is one game? The numbers over the course of the year do not show that we have been a bad run stop team.....there have been some games As much as we B word about this D it has been pretty good......and sometimes the offense just has to help a defense out against good teams The most important metric, points against, has us as a mid-tier D. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I want a combination of WR/RB in rounds 1 and 2. I realize an early RB is the thing that will probably upset most Bills fans most,but we really need a guy. It has to be a guy that can be an every down back and I’d assume more often then not, you need to get that guy early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: The most important metric, points against, has us as a mid-tier D. Yes and ***** special teams, inability to score points, inability to run the ball have nothing to do with that? But I guess you can pick a stat somewhere to support a narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 5 hours ago, TroutDog said: The D line lost contain, as has been clearly shown. How is that not exposing some issues there? A de lost contain. The lbers as mcdermott sted failed in doing their job. Go back and listen to mcdermott. Then rewatch the game and watch the lb not have gap control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Who played well on the defensive line Sunday? Dont let one game decide your draft needs. Team needs olinemen badly as well as a couple good wide receivers as well as a running back. But you can find an rb 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 14 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Looking at Robert Foster it appears they ate right they can. Saban couldnt get the guy to play to potential but our coaches seem to be doing it. Foster saw few reps because these were so many better players on that offense. Remember, this years Alabama team is the first Saban team ever to rely more on the pass than running the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Foster saw few reps because these were so many better players on that offense. Remember, this years Alabama team is the first Saban team ever to rely more on the pass than running the football. Maybe but Foster was Very highly recruited and never lived up to potential. I did quite a bit of research on him, trying to figure out who this kid was in TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Yes and ***** special teams, inability to score points, inability to run the ball have nothing to do with that? But I guess you can pick a stat somewhere to support a narrative This is not what I was referring to, John. The discussion was about our D line alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TucsonBillsFan Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 15 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Because you're probably going on sites like Walter Football and Bleacher report, those sites are pretty bad. What's the best sites to look at ? Send me some good sites I'm bored thu out the day lol for mock drafts and if possible fa targets..thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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