Week 16 Bills at Pats Postgame Postmortum

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

There is no victories in this whatsoever.  Learned point blank Sean McDermott is not on the same intellectual level as Belicheat, Anthony Lynn, Andy Reid, Frank Reich, and or Mike Vrabel.  The only real reason he got hired is because Lynn disagrees with affirmative action; where Kim agreed with it, and didn’t want a Coach being called an Uncle Tom.  So, she pretty much bypasses all EOE mandates and hired McDermott because he’s a generation apart from Terry as a frat brother.  

 

This kind of idiocy should pull down an instant ban. 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Nothing surprising here. The Pats are smart. They went with the classic "make Josh Allen beat you with his passing" theory, stacked the box, stuffed the run, and shut down the Bills. Still, we would have had a fighting chance if a couple receivers could have made a couple plays on very catchable balls, or even if the Shady of 2014-15 had reemerged and broken a few tackles. But right now, outside of Allen (and Foster on fly routes only so far) we don't have any playmakers.

The funny thing is that with a better supporting cast at WR & TE Allen would have beat them through the air.  Watching the highlights I'm more convinced then I was when watching the game live (where I was throwing stuff at the TV) that this is the case.

 

With almost any other WR/RB/TE group out there today Allen would have had a classic gunslinger type of game and the Bills probably pull off the upset.  By this I mean that Allen did throw some very bad balls and 2 dumb INT's.  But at the same time he threw some great balls that should have resulted in TD's.  This could have been an amazing game if our skilled players had MADE SOME PLAYS! 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Boatdrinks]

15 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Implies we need new ownership that when they say win now; they mean win now.  

New ownership would mean those Bills would be doing their winning somewhere other than Buffalo NY. Funny thing is, many said the Bills would never win with Ralph Wilson as owner. His team won when he had a good GM that compiled talent. Saying win now is all well and good, but you need good players, a good GM and good coaching to win. Beane and McDermott  may not be the ones to make it happen. Do you think Kraft is winning games or did his team get extremely lucky with a 6th round flyer draft pick of a QB ?

[billsfan_34]

17 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Lol, wambulance. Honest how? Id agruge the only person 'butt hurt' here is you and thats what led to this terrible post. 

Only thing honest about it is that its a perfect example of whats wrong with some fans and their over reactions - both good and bad. 

Have some context and some levelheaded-ness. 

You make it sound so terrible that you might just be better off going to a team that seemingly can do no wrong. 

Was it a good game? No. Was it anywhere near as dire as this post suggests? No. In fact,  id hate to see how you react to a REAL problem...

You win- yay you

[par73]

The most disturbing thing is the putrid performance of the defense. Granted, they are missing a couple important pieces, but to face a New England team where the game was there for the taking (Brady looks awful), the rush defense was pathetic-- and never adjusted to what the opponent was doing.

On offense, the only sure starter next year is Allen (have to see if he can up his game, or not--not confident, though). They could clean out the whole OL and receiver corps (except Foster, I suppose), because, really, there's nothing there.

[gobills1212]

6 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

You win- yay you

Snappy!

I can't fault you for being frustrated, you are allowed to be. Just no need to be so dramatic. 

 

In other news, this thread has gone off the rails even further than where it started to the extent new ownership is being debated ssssooooooo....

 

You might now be off the hook!

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, gobills1212 said:

Snappy!

I can't fault you for being frustrated, you are allowed to be. Just no need to be so dramatic. 

 

In other news, this thread has gone off the rails even further than where it started to the extent new ownership is being debated ssssooooooo....

 

You might now be off the hook!

Merry Christmas ?

[The Frankish Reich]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

McCoy is looking a little like .... Reggie Bush, c. 2016?  CJ Spiller, 2014?  I know, I know ... the O line isn't giving him much, the Bills' pathetic passing game is allowing defenses to keep 8 (or today, 9 or even 11) in the box, he's playing with a hamstring injury, etc. But still ... he used to break tackles and make something out of nothing at least a couple times a game. Not anymore.

[TigerJ]

Obviously, the Bills were terrible in run defense today, and particularly so when the Patriots used the WRs to run wide on the reverse.  That's on the coaching to make adjustments.  As far as Buffalo's running game is concerned, it is a continuation of what we've seen the whole season.  Buffalo's offensive line stinks.  Juan Castillo probably needs to bear some of the blame for that.  The rest may be a personnel issue (the players aren't good enough.  McDermott will be back next season.  With plenty of cap room and ample draft picks, the Bills need to solve the personnel issues.  We'll see if McDermott does something about Castillo.  If the Bills are not significantly improved next season, then the Pegulas have some hard decisions to make.  I sincerely hope it does not come to that.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

GET AN O LINE AND TIGHT ENDS. 

and a replacement for Shady.  

 

He is no longer a #1 RB

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

GET AN O LINE AND TIGHT ENDS. 

and a replacement for Shady.  

 

He is no longer a #1 RB

So a new OL, TEs and RB should help the running game?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[notwoz]

3 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

I have yet to openly criticize McDermitt but today he was awful. His players werent ready, the game plan was awful and he just doesnt have the pulse of the game and adjust. Furthermore, another piss poor outing ST wise yet Crossman is still here? 

 

Edmunds hasnt developed at all and today he had the worst day, imo, of his pro career.

 

Daboll called a terrible game - he doesnt have much to work with thou

 

Allen looked really bad at times- Draft another QB- not sold on this kid.

 

Kyles Mini Me does nothing for me, and KW looks like there is nothing left in the tank

 

Mckenzie just isnt an NFL WR and he scares me on Special Teams

 

Logan Thomas- dropped a sure TD

 

Say goodbye to Clay, Shady, KW, most of the OL, McKenzie, Alexander, Ford, Ivory and Hopefully Crossman.

Who is McDermitt?

[billsfan_34]

9 minutes ago, notwoz said:

Who is McDermitt?

Spell check police- uh oh

[row_33]

31 minutes ago, vincec said:

So a new OL, TEs and RB should help the running game?

 

And a #1 and 2 WR as well

 

 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

New ownership would mean those Bills would be doing their winning somewhere other than Buffalo NY. Funny thing is, many said the Bills would never win with Ralph Wilson as owner. His team won when he had a good GM that compiled talent. Saying win now is all well and good, but you need good players, a good GM and good coaching to win. Beane and McDermott  may not be the ones to make it happen. Do you think Kraft is winning games or did his team get extremely lucky with a 6th round flyer draft pick of a QB ?

It's not luck that they ended up with Brady, they had Bledsoe at the time and even though they had an excellent QB they continued to draft guys deep in the draft. They did it again with Cassel. That's not luck, there's a pattern. Buffalo should draft a guy in the 6th or 7th if they're smart. Sit him on the bench and keep the pipeline loaded.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

This kind of idiocy should pull down an instant ban. 

 

...pretty sick commentary, isn't it?................

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

17 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Spell check police- uh oh

He meant McDumwit

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

It's not luck that they ended up with Brady, they had Bledsoe at the time and even though they had an excellent QB they continued to draft guys deep in the draft. They did it again with Cassel. That's not luck, there's a pattern. Buffalo should draft a guy in the 6th or 7th if they're smart. Sit him on the bench and keep the pipeline loaded.

Lol , yes  NFL history is littered with 6th round draft pick HOF caliber QBs. Heck, the Bills should draft one every year for the next decade. Brady was a long shot that by his own admission thought he was going to be cut in preaseason his second year. It was a one in a bazillion long shot. If a QB lasts until the 6th round it’s just dumb luck if they’re any good. Flukes happen, just ask Drew Bledsoe and Mo Lewis,. 

[Thriftygamer83]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Nothing surprising here. The Pats are smart. They went with the classic "make Josh Allen beat you with his passing" theory, stacked the box, stuffed the run, and shut down the Bills. Still, we would have had a fighting chance if a couple receivers could have made a couple plays on very catchable balls, or even if the Shady of 2014-15 had reemerged and broken a few tackles. But right now, outside of Allen (and Foster on fly routes only so far) we don't have any playmakers.

What? This is a new kind of dumb theory. They were afraid to hire a black head coach because he said something about "I want to succeed on merit," so instead they hired a white head coach?

Now he’s winning, stepping up, and proving himself including two blowout wins over McDermott.  Kim cannot assess Coachingnor management as the self-styled czar herself she’s absolutely lost.  Would we have been better with Coughlin assuming the role?

[Victory Formation]

18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Lol , yes  NFL history is littered with 6th round draft pick HOF caliber QBs. Heck, the Bills should draft one every year for the next decade. Brady was a long shot that by his own admission thought he was going to be cut in preaseason his second year. It was a one in a bazillion long shot. If a QB lasts until the 6th round it’s just dumb luck if they’re any good. Flukes happen, just ask Drew Bledsoe and Mo Lewis,. 

It's not impossible though, it happens occasionally and if you draft them enough you will eventually find a Brady or a Cassel or a Warner. Will you find another Brady? Maybe not, but could we find a Cassel/Fitzpatrick type of QB in the 7th? Absolutely. 

[Iron Maiden]

7 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

It's not impossible though, it happens occasionally and if you draft them enough you will eventually find a Brady or a Cassel or a Warner. Will you find another Brady? Maybe not, but could we find a Cassel/Fitzpatrick type of QB in the 7th? Absolutely. 

 

The odds of finding another Tom Brady in the 6th round are zero...nilch.....nada....hell, the odds of finding another Brady in the 1st round are probably 0.10 %......I don't think we'll ever see another QB playing for 19 years with his level of success....and if you ask me, it's a good thing....the AFC needs  parity....

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

The odds of finding another Tom Brady in the 6th round are zero...nilch.....nada....hell, the odds of finding another Brady in the 1st round are probably 0.10 %......I don't think we'll ever see another QB playing for 19 years with his level of success....and if you ask me, it's a good thing....the AFC needs  parity....

My point is they knew he could be good and they drafted him. Is that really luck? Pretty sure there are several UDFA QBs that were HOF QBs, obviously it's not common but there are droves of good QBs and serviceable ones underneath that upper echelon and the success rate is higher than .10%.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

32 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Now he’s winning, stepping up, and proving himself including two blowout wins over McDermott.  Kim cannot assess Coachingnor management as the self-styled czar herself she’s absolutely lost.  Would we have been better with Coughlin assuming the role?

 

Why don’t you ask the Jaguars how that’s worked out?

Edited December 24, 2018 by Joe in Winslow

[Iron Maiden]

1 minute ago, NewDayBills said:

My point is they knew he could be good and they drafted him. Is that really luck? Pretty sure there are several UDFA QBs that were HOF QBs, obviously it's not common but there are droves of good QBs and serviceable ones underneath that upper echelon and the success rate is higher than .10%.

I get your point...and I don't necessarily disagree...but besides Brady and K Warner, I can't really think of any UDFA or low rounds QBs that are HOF material.......was Warren Moon an UDFA ?

[Victory Formation]

Just now, Iron Maiden said:

I get your point...and I don't necessarily disagree...but besides Brady and K Warner, I can't really think of any UDFA or low rounds QBs that are HOF material.......was Warren Moon an UDFA ?

Not positive about Moon. Either way, if the Bills drafted the next Matt Cassel or Ryan Fitzpatrick in the 6th round that's fantastic. Anything more than that and you are going to really set your team up in a big big way. Bills should draft one every year until we strike gold.

[Xwnyer]

The,major issue with the defense is that the LBs are too close to LOS they get caught int the gaps versus back enough to fill gaps.  Milano was playing great and we are using 3rd team LBs at times

[Boatdrinks]

26 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

It's not impossible though, it happens occasionally and if you draft them enough you will eventually find a Brady or a Cassel or a Warner. Will you find another Brady? Maybe not, but could we find a Cassel/Fitzpatrick type of QB in the 7th? Absolutely. 

Of course the Bills could find a Fitzpatrick/ Cassel type of QB in the late rounds. Unfortunately those are the types of QBs that the Bills have trotted out season after season for twenty years. A Brady in round six was lightning in a bottle that will probably never happen again. 

[TPS]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The funny thing is that with a better supporting cast at WR & TE Allen would have beat them through the air.  Watching the highlights I'm more convinced then I was when watching the game live (where I was throwing stuff at the TV) that this is the case.

 

With almost any other WR/RB/TE group out there today Allen would have had a classic gunslinger type of game and the Bills probably pull off the upset.  By this I mean that Allen did throw some very bad balls and 2 dumb INT's.  But at the same time he threw some great balls that should have resulted in TD's.  This could have been an amazing game if our skilled players had MADE SOME PLAYS! 

 

Two plays change that game dramatically: foster finding the ball, and Croom's fumble. 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Of course the Bills could find a Fitzpatrick/ Cassel type of QB in the late rounds. Unfortunately those are the types of QBs that the Bills have trotted out season after season for twenty years. A Brady in round six was lightning in a bottle that will probably never happen again. 

Either way, you can find good QBs in the 7th if you draft them enough and to me that's good enough reason to keep drafting ones. Will there ever be another Brady? Maybe not, but if that's the standard we should never draft another QB again. Did they know he'd be that good? No way. But they knew he could be good. That's not luck, that's called being a world class organization and they also nailed that Matt Cassel pick too. That's not luck man.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Sal is ubiquitous!

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Sal is ubiquitous!

I read Sal's take expecting to see a lot of Allen bashing and while it sort of went that way it's clear that he understands where the real problem lies going by these two quotes:

 

"he is surrounded with such incompetence on offense" and then describing the rest of the offense as "the slop around him".

 

It's true that Allen & the Bills did not seize the torch from Brady & the Patriots today.  But that day is coming once we clear the deadwood out. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen stunk it up. Still not accurate. 20/41 completions. Awful. Our run defense was bad, too. It's the Pats though. This was an expected loss. 50 percent accurate QB is bad to have.  The other 50 percent is Josh trying to make up for that inaccuracy with pure running.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Buffalo Ballin said:

Josh Allen stunk it up. Still not accurate. 20/41 completions. Awful. Our run defense was bad, too. It's the Pats though. This was an expected loss.

 

He wasn't good today, but he didn't have much help either. 

[Thriftygamer83]

Just now, Buffalo Ballin said:

Josh Allen stunk it up. Still not accurate. 20/41 completions. Awful. Our run defense was bad, too. It's the Pats though. This was an expected loss.

I expected a lot better and McDermott did not even prep the team.  Knowing what was coming he though Star and Trent Murphy the steroid baby we’re going to be amazing.  Guy needs to respect his footballs, check his tapes, and Coach more physicality like he acknowledged he should have against the Colts.  Oh, wait repeating his mistakes all over again.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I never wanted Mahomes. I won’t pretend I wanted the Bills to stay there and take him. I did however really want Watson. Watching these two guys and then watching whatever we are trying to do on offense....I mean, we aren’t even playing the same game. It’s one of those things where you can’t really go back and redo every draft pick. But when you are in the top 10, you can’t just always pick the wrong guy. It matters.

[Aussie Joe]

Chiefs D is as soft as butter...

 

Can see them choking against Brady in the Championship game..

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Chiefs D is as soft as butter...

 

Can see them choking against Brady in the Championship game..

 

....surrendered 170 on the ground so far tonight.........