boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) With the current NFL favoring the pass more and more and our run defense being the weaker link of an otherwise good defense I really see the biggest need for our defense to be an in the box safety to replace Alexander on passing downs playing in packages. Lorax isn't fast enough anymore to make the coverage schemes we need, and Edmunds is not aware enough to play behind him at the position. I do not know who in the NFL would fill this need for us anymore but it's hard to imagine a rookie we'd be able to snag in the later round, since it is a lower priority, being able to fill this need. Safety is a tremendously tough position for a rookie to come in and succeed so perhaps a hybrid LB that can play similar to what George Wilson once did is ideal. Of course, our biggest need is DL and pressure upon the QB but this position would be a tremendous addition to our defense. I wonder if @thebandit27 or any other of these well versed guys have any ideas who could work for us. edit: this is not to say we don't have sufficient quality in Poyer and Hyde - this is more to better design the package for success when playing nickel and dime having a 3rd in the box safety on the field. we are not very diverse or adaptive on defense. Edited December 11, 2018 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Siran Neal? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Kind of like an Alvin Dupree (Steelers)? That guy makes plays. Yes, I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Siran Neal? is an option - reminds me of an A-aron Williams lacking a few traits that made Williams more successful than I believe Neal is possible of attaining. The upside would be him fitting in this role since he was a linebacker in college and maybe he can grow but at 6' 206 lbs. he's a little light for this opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I mean..... they’re 10th in rush yds allowed. I guess it could only help though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Kind of like an Alvin Dupree (Steelers)? That guy makes plays. Yes, I see your point. Steelers play a 34, in a 43 dupree could become this. dude doesn't look his size but he's 6'4 270 running a run 4.6 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) I think they are trying to do this with Raphael Bush. You could try to sign a guy like Deonte Buccanon, who is a free agent. Another idea, outside the box a bit, sign Landon Collins and move Micah Hyde to corner. Edited December 11, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What about Ko Simpson? He is worth millions after all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Safety is the least of our problems. A #2 CB, depth at LB, more pass rush, Four offensive lineman, 3 Receivers, 2 tight ends, 3 running backs, a franchise QB .... then safety. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Safety is the least of our problems. A #2 CB, depth at LB, more pass rush, Four offensive lineman, 3 Receivers, 2 tight ends, 3 running backs, a franchise QB .... then safety. Agreed its a small problem but I think it's a very easy option to fill by finding a guy who can contribute and fill in more easily than trying to find a #2CB or depth at LB, or edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Neal is that. And even Bush is pretty physical for a little guy. We need to stop rushing 4 and start making QBs uncomfortable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 .....add it to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Taron Johnson was kinda in this roe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 OL WR TE WR WR Who needs a safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: OL WR TE WR WR Who needs a safety Hard to imagine McBeanes not going all offense this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1. Safety in the box. 2. Jack in the box 3. Charlie in the box. Because nobody wants a Charlie in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Hard to imagine McBeanes not going all offense this offseason. I think they definitely concentrate on it but could see our first pick being d line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: 1. Safety in the box. 2. Jack in the box 3. Charlie in the box. Because nobody wants a Charlie in the box. 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: 4. Watch it, bub. With that avatar of yours, I could probably get Pixar to work you into the original Rankin-Bass production, and we'll be talking about nobody wanting a 'Gugny in the box'. ? * * ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Boyst62 said: With the current NFL favoring the pass more and more and our run defense being the weaker link of an otherwise good defense I really see the biggest need for our defense to be an in the box safety to replace Alexander on passing downs playing in packages. Lorax isn't fast enough anymore to make the coverage schemes we need, and Edmunds is not aware enough to play behind him at the position. I do not know who in the NFL would fill this need for us anymore but it's hard to imagine a rookie we'd be able to snag in the later round, since it is a lower priority, being able to fill this need. Safety is a tremendously tough position for a rookie to come in and succeed so perhaps a hybrid LB that can play similar to what George Wilson once did is ideal. Of course, our biggest need is DL and pressure upon the QB but this position would be a tremendous addition to our defense. I wonder if @thebandit27 or any other of these well versed guys have any ideas who could work for us. edit: this is not to say we don't have sufficient quality in Poyer and Hyde - this is more to better design the package for success when playing nickel and dime having a 3rd in the box safety on the field. we are not very diverse or adaptive on defense. I am confused. In our nickel package Zo plays on the DLine as an end or DT and rushes passer. Bills nickel Scheme has Taron Johnson as nickel DB who subs for SAM. Bush and Neal do as well. the scheme also brings Poyert or Hyde down in box based on formation of offense. Don't see this as a need. Maybe a backup for Milano - low priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 And a strong side LBer. But I think in this defense they need a boundary corner more than an in the box safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Need a game changer on the defensive line.. Kyle Williams is old and will retire very soon, Murphy is eh, Hughes is 30+ and will be in his last year under contract next season. Edited December 11, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, freddyjj said: I am confused. In our nickel package Zo plays on the DLine as an end or DT and rushes passer. Bills nickel Scheme has Taron Johnson as nickel DB who subs for SAM. Bush and Neal do as well. the scheme also brings Poyert or Hyde down in box based on formation of offense. Don't see this as a need. Maybe a backup for Milano - low priority. It's not a high priority need, if it truly is a need at all. I just don't like the way we fill up the box when we transition to run on a passing down in a package scheme. Bush and Neal aren't terrible but they're not what I foresee as the best option. It's similar to when Robey was the package back. We could stop the pass every time but if you run at him he'd get steam rolled. I want Neal and Bush or whomever is there to be more adaptive. They don't seem to be instinctual enough to handle the position. It'd be an easy upgrade if we found the right guy but we have far more needs, as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Alexander isn't on the field for passing downs. When the opposition passes, we're in Nickel with Raphael Bush playing a lot of snaps lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Alexander isn't on the field for passing downs. When the opposition passes, we're in Nickel with Raphael Bush playing a lot of snaps lately. He often slides in to pass rush on the line if he is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Safety is the least of our problems. A #2 CB, depth at LB, more pass rush, Four offensive lineman, 3 Receivers, 2 tight ends, 3 running backs, a franchise QB .... then safety. I don’t wanna jinx him but we may have found that #2 in Levi Wallace. He’s played quite well in his few games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Donte Shitner still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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