Mike Tanier - The Decline of Tom Brady, Part XIV: This Time It's Really Happening

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Certainly, just witness Josh  Gordon signing but replacing  a first round HOF  Tight End is not a trivial matter.  As an aside, Gronk headed for his worst season by far, he has averaged .75 td/game until this year, .14.

 

Gronk is on the downslope, not sure why he is in games that are already won or lost, but they didn't need him to win the SB two years ago

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

I know Gronk has been hurt a lot, but he’s not even 30 years old yet.  Can’t see him retiring.

He has alluded too it frequently, he has had a long history of injuries, especially back dating to his College days, he is a free spirit and is probably tired of not being able to goof off and the rigors of Belichek.  Headed to the HOF, has superbowl rings,  can still walk and his concussion are adding up.  Gronk has limited IQ capacity to spare.   I see a lot more reason for him to retire than for him to continue on, makes total sense to me.

[Nuncha]

18 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Right, his point was it now looks worse because he is doing it even when guys are open. He was speculating that Brady and his camp are so determined to keep him healthy that he is thinking more about his own health than making plays. 

 

 

And he's doing it WAAAAYYYY before a defender gets close to him.  He sees someone coming at him and goes "fetal" immediately rather than standing in there to the last moment hoping someone gets open.

[RoyBatty is alive]

18 hours ago, Commonsense said:

He was forced to let Jimmy G. go. He had it all set up. He also had a trade set so he could move on from Gronk. Bill the GM hasn’t been that impressive but it looks like he would have been right on both of those moves.

 

Are you buying into the narrative that Brady cried to Kraft and forced Jimmy G out...I am.

[May Day 10]

42 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

He has alluded too it frequently, he has had a long history of injuries, especially back dating to his College days, he is a free spirit and is probably tired of not being able to goof off and the rigors of Belichek.  Headed to the HOF, has superbowl rings,  can still walk and his concussion are adding up.  Gronk has limited IQ capacity to spare.   I see a lot more reason for him to retire than for him to continue on, makes total sense to me.

 

 

IMO, Gronk is smarter than he puts out on the exterior.... at the least, he has received and acted on good council from his family and maybe agent.  

 

 

I wouldnt be shocked at all if he leaves with house money thinking about long-term health.  All those earnings saved, some rings, almost certainly the best ever at his position and a HOFer.  He could kick back, not worry about training camp, Belichick owning his soul, etc ever again.  Probably will have some sort of entertainment career.  DWTS would be a certainty.  

Edited November 15, 2018 by May Day 10

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said:

I think Daboll believes the passing game is very important, if you look at what he did with Alabama's QB in the second half of that NC game he took that offense from the dumpster to winning a national championship by throwing the ball downfield.   

 

He doesn't have the weapons  or the QB yet.  But you saw what he did with Barkley last week.   I think when Allen is ready that's what we will look like.   An offense that can push the ball downfield.  

 

Bama is not a QB school.

 

they just run roughshod over whatever the D throws at them

 

maybe they will be forced to think 2 games a season

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Bama is not a QB school.

 

they just run roughshod over whatever the D throws at them

 

maybe they will be forced to think 2 games a season

 

 

They would have lost that game had Tagaviloa not gone out and threw the ball all over the place.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

19 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Bama is not a QB school.

 

they just run roughshod over whatever the D throws at them

 

maybe they will be forced to think 2 games a season

 

 

you obviously know very little about alabama. although not all that have been under center went on to have a great nfl career but I know two off the top of my head that are enshrined in the nfl hof. 

 

they also have a kid here in 2018 that shows some real promise as well.

[ColoradoBills]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

That is the Belichick MO, but Brady was untouchable. Kraft will come to regret that, and hopefully soon. Belichick went one further and got rid of the next guy on the depth chart too, so I wonder if Kraft realizes what’s happened and things are tense already? I hope so!  

 

I hope so too!

1 hour ago, ExWNYer said:

 

I totally agree with you there. I think he is too prideful/arrogant to accept that he is less than the best and would hang them up at the realization of that. If they win it all this year, I could very well see him calling it a career.

 

Brady's ego is huge.  He surely would want to go out as all-time leader of TDs and Passing Yards.

The problem is Drew Brees.

 

Passing TDs is held by Peyton at 539, Brees has 509 and Brady has 505.

Brees has 21 TDs so far this year with 9 games played.  Brady has 17 with 10 games played.

Drew Brees and Brady could catch Peyton at the end of next year.

 

Brees has 73,046 yards to date, Brady has 68,907.

Brady would need at least a full year after Brees retires to catch him.  That is assuming no injuries with both.

 

If Brees plays next year it may cause Brady to think about retiring because he won't be able to catch him unless he plays 2 more years!

Either way I would bet the Kraft would back ANY decision Brady makes whether it's good or bad for the overall team.

[MikeSpeed]

When the Bills beat Brady in NE without any excuses (you know like "Gronk, Edleman are out, Half their o-line is hurt, it's week 17 and they're resting all their players" whatever excuse a Brady fan can have) then and only then will I believe he's hit the wall.

[row_33]

21 minutes ago, no name said:

 

 

you obviously know very little about alabama. although not all that have been under center went on to have a great nfl career but I know two off the top of my head that are enshrined in the nfl hof. 

 

they also have a kid here in 2018 that shows some real promise as well.

 

i've been watching almost all their games for 45 years now, tape them and delete when it's become garbagetime

 

they beat the living hell out of a totally outmatched cupcake 10-11 times a year and the announcers and fans dance  aroundand boast like this is an actual accomplishment

 

it's not really Bama's fault, they aren't forced to play a real team out of conference and eventually have to play real opponents

 

so yeah, i know a ton of a lot about Bama

 

GO AHEAD, NAME ME THE GREAT QBs FROM BAMA THAT HAD STELLAR NFL CAREERS....

 

 

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

Joe Namath 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

i've been watching almost all their games for 45 years now, tape them and delete when it's become garbagetime

 

they beat the living hell out of a totally outmatched cupcake 10-11 times a year and the announcers and fans dance  aroundand boast like this is an actual accomplishment

 

it's not really Bama's fault, they aren't forced to play a real team out of conference and eventually have to play real opponents

 

so yeah, i know a ton of a lot about Bama

 

GO AHEAD, NAME ME THE GREAT QBs FROM BAMA THAT HAD STELLAR NFL CAREERS....

 

Starr, Namath, and Stabler.

 

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, dpberr said:

It wouldn't shock me, if the season turns mediocre to poor for them, that all three (Bill, Tom and Gronk) all call it quits before the 2019 season.  Outside of Brady, the team legitimately needs to restock in many areas. 

 

I could see Belichick simply becoming the full time GM.  Brady has nothing else to prove.  Gronkowski had to be coaxed to play yet another injury-filled season.  Doubt he'll do it again.

 

Greatness is always finite.  

I really don't see Gronk coming back next year no matter what.  I think Brady WANTS to come back, but it depends on how this year goes.  Best chance of him coming back next year is if he stays healthy, plays very well down the stretch, but the Pats lose in the playoffs.  He'll want to come back for another shot and he'll think he can carry the team to do that.

[RoyBatty is alive]

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Starr, Namath, and Stabler.

 

 

What about a few more modern, like less than 50 years ago?

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

Bama is not a QB school.

 

they just run roughshod over whatever the D throws at them

 

maybe they will be forced to think 2 games a season

 

 

 

More TBD college football experts!  Awesome.  You'll be surprised and delighted to hear that an Alabama QB is going to win the Heisman this year, and next year if he sticks around (he will). 

 

I propose a new TBD rule:  if you're going to talk about college football  in general, or alabama in particular, that you be required to watch a college game at least once a year

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

44 minutes ago, no name said:

you obviously know very little about alabama. although not all that have been under center went on to have a great nfl career but I know two off the top of my head that are enshrined in the nfl hof. 

 

they also have a kid here in 2018 that shows some real promise as well.

This millenium? You do understand that he's referring the Saban era, right?

 

And yes, I like Tua. But he's the first legit QB prospect Saban's had.

Edited November 15, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[Bill from NYC]

20 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Whenever I see a Mahomes reference I recall how a lot of posters were moaning and groaning about how the Bills passed on Dak Prescott.   

Don't you think that Dak was worth a 3rd round pick?

[thebandit27]

19 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I really don't see Gronk coming back next year no matter what.  I think Brady WANTS to come back, but it depends on how this year goes.  Best chance of him coming back next year is if he stays healthy, plays very well down the stretch, but the Pats lose in the playoffs.  He'll want to come back for another shot and he'll think he can carry the team to do that.

 

Total sidebar: I've long felt that Gronk will play his last season in the NFL for the Bills.  If NE thinks he's too banged up to come back and lets him go, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him come home.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

...said everyone including me since he turned 36.

 

Somehow he always seems to find another gear/level late in the year to take it over the top--I really really hope it's true so that the curse can finally be lifted on the AFC East, but part of me also wants the Bills to beat him up good consistently while he's still on top of his game sort of, so that it means more--but the other part of me just wants him to be gone, no matter under what terms. The scourge of our franchise who's won more games on our home field that all of our QB's during the drought years, unreal.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Total sidebar: I've long felt that Gronk will play his last season in the NFL for the Bills.  If NE thinks he's too banged up to come back and lets him go, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him come home.

 

 

I would.

 

Yeah from a fans perspective maybe it would be nice if he could play his last year in his home town BUT does he want to tarnish his reputation going out as a Bill, esp if we dont have a QB, he is an old dog now, not sure how eager he is to learn new tricks with a new QB.  Coming here could be a total disaster. He has to make professional decision, not one based on fandom.

[Jerome007]

I might be in the minority but I don't want Brady to be done just yet. I want the Bills to beat a Bellechick/Brady led Patriots 2x (3x) a year while they are still good.

 

The Bills beat the Cheatriots 16-0 in Foxboro under Rex Ryan, remember? Nobody gave a damn because it was a #3 QB, like that if it meant nothing. The Bills have not had a great QB for years now but nobody avoids piling on them for the losses. Team for team, the Bills outclassed a non-Brady led team on that day and they barely got any glory out of it. Even giving them a big ZERO point allowed in their home. 

 

My point is: it's a question of pride, of balls, of guts. If Brady is done,  sure, great for the Bills. But the wins will not be as sweet. It might be too late for that though.

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

I might be in the minority but I don't want Brady to be done just yet. I want the Bills to beat a Bellechick/Brady led Patriots 2x (3x) a year while they are still good.

 

The Bills beat the Cheatriots 16-0 in Foxboro under Rex Ryan, remember? Nobody gave a damn because it was a #3 QB, like that if it meant nothing. The Bills have not had a great QB for years now but nobody avoids piling on them for the losses. Team for team, the Bills outclassed a non-Brady led team on that day and they barely got any glory out of it. Even giving them a big ZERO point allowed in their home. 

 

My point is: it's a question of pride, of balls, of guts. If Brady is done,  sure, great for the Bills. But the wins will not be as sweet. It might be too late for that though.

 

No, i forgot about it until you reminded me, now i wlil go again and forgot about it.

Edited November 15, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive

[Jerome007]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

No, i forgot about it until you reminded me, now i wlil go again and forgot about it becuase the game meant absolutely nothing to the PAts.

What? It was the 4th game of the year!!!! It was totally meaningful!

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

I would.

 

Yeah from a fans perspective maybe it would be nice if he could play his last year in his home town BUT does he want to tarnish his reputation going out as a Bill, esp if we dont have a QB, he is an old dog now, not sure how eager he is to learn new tricks with a new QB.  Coming here could be a total disaster. He has to make professional decision, not one based on fandom.

 

Why? He doesn't need the money, he's got 2 Super Bowl rings, he's made 5 pro bowls...what does he have to prove professionally?  The only decision he has to make is whether or not he wants to play.  After that, it's up to NE if they want to keep him...and if they don't, the only decision he has to make is where he wants to play.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

i've been watching almost all their games for 45 years now, tape them and delete when it's become garbagetime

 

they beat the living hell out of a totally outmatched cupcake 10-11 times a year and the announcers and fans dance  aroundand boast like this is an actual accomplishment

 

it's not really Bama's fault, they aren't forced to play a real team out of conference and eventually have to play real opponents

 

so yeah, i know a ton of a lot about Bama

 

GO AHEAD, NAME ME THE GREAT QBs FROM BAMA THAT HAD STELLAR NFL CAREERS....

 

 

my bad, I had totally forgot you were the board know it all. you got me though old timer, I've been following them for only 24 years. the two off the top of my head and although you being so knowledgeable, may not meet your expertise level are  broadway joe and snake.

 

 

as for your bolded xtra large font, chill out take some blood pressure meds and grow the ***** up old man. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by no name

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

What? It was the 4th game of the year!!!! It was totally meaningful!

Brady suspended, playng Jacoby Brisset,  and how did the rest of their season end up, winning a Super bowl

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

25 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

This millenium? You do understand that he's referring the Saban era, right?

 

And yes, I like Tua. But he's the first legit QB prospect Saban's had.

 

no, I did not. happens. misread it I guess

[wagon127]

If the jets are able to contain Tom Brady next week, then I will believe his end is coming. I feel he still has some good games in him, but he may not light it up every week like he used too.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Why? He doesn't need the money, he's got 2 Super Bowl rings, he's made 5 pro bowls...what does he have to prove professionally?  The only decision he has to make is whether or not he wants to play.  After that, it's up to NE if they want to keep him...and if they don't, the only decision he has to make is where he wants to play.

 Let me rephrase it,  you think OJ was proud of his playing time in his hometown of San Fran, Jordan proud iof his Wizard play r Willie Mays with the Mets.

 

I find it very sad they was some icons leave the game.

[C.Biscuit97]

21 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Total sidebar: I've long felt that Gronk will play his last season in the NFL for the Bills.  If NE thinks he's too banged up to come back and lets him go, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him come home.

Figures we would get the Broken down Gronk. Just like if the Bills drafted him, he would have fallen apart and we would be morons for drafting a guy with a back problem.  

 

That said, I’d welcome him with open arms.

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Total sidebar: I've long felt that Gronk will play his last season in the NFL for the Bills.  If NE thinks he's too banged up to come back and lets him go, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him come home.

I wouldn’t sign that puss bag if he offered to play here for free. Gronk is dead to me as a player. ZERO respect.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Have you watched them much this year?  When they can't run the ball, they're toast.

And they lost 3 games and beaten the Packers, Chiefs, and Bears.

[Fan in San Diego]

Why didn't we draft the home town boy to begin with? Same with Kahlil Mack and that RB from Buff State, I forget his name. Plays for the Packers I think.

[cd1]

1 hour ago, MikeSpeed said:

When the Bills beat Brady in NE without any excuses (you know like "Gronk, Edleman are out, Half their o-line is hurt, it's week 17 and they're resting all their players" whatever excuse a Brady fan can have) then and only then will I believe he's hit the wall.

 

Well sir, Christmas will come early this year!!!!

 

December 23, 2018 - Bills beat Pats in Foxboro and mark the beginning of the end of an dynasty.  ?‍♂️

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wouldn’t sign that puss bag if he offered to play here for free. Gronk is dead to me as a player. ZERO respect.

 

Why, just because like a coward hit lined up a player on the ground that weighed 75 lbs less then him and elbowed him with his body armor with all his body weight to the neck/head?

 

Belichek would trade a broken down Gronk in heartbeat to the Bills for a high draft pick and loosen up some cap money.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Why, just because like a coward hit lined up a player on the ground that weighed 75 lbs less then him and elbowed him with his body armor with all his body weight to the neck/head?

 

Belichek would trade a broken down Gronk in heartbeat to the Bills for a high draft pick and loosen up some cap money.

Yeah, you’re right. Perhaps I’m being a little hard on the gutless wonder. 

 

NOT!

 

You’re right above Belichick and he would laugh all the way to the draft board after fleecing us, too. But if our front office so much as considered making a deal to acquire that flaming Ahole, I’d have to give up my fandom. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

FWIW on the Gronk, http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/nfl-news-rob-gronkowski-injury-update-ankle-back-battle-mental-strength-return/tcp6hrg0svii134gw65lhii4w

[LSHMEAB]

11 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Why didn't we draft the home town boy to begin with? Same with Kahlil Mack and that RB from Buff State, I forget his name. Plays for the Packers I think.

James Starks?

 

He was out of the league like 5 years ago.

[Gugny]

I'm sorry, but I've been fooled too many times.  I want to believe it.  I think I believe it.  But I won't really believe it until I see it.