McBeane Confidence

[teef]

While it hasn’t looked good at all thus far, I’m giving the staff an incomplete for now. They get the off-season to fix the mess. If they can’t, I’ll turn on them like I have every qb/staff for the last 20 years. 

[Soda Popinski]

1 minute ago, teef said:

While it hasn’t looked good at all thus far, I’m giving the staff an incomplete for now. They get the off-season to fix the mess. If they can’t, I’ll turn on them like I have every qb/staff for the last 20 years. 

Pretty much the same, my problem is the offense is so bad this year I don't see Allen learning much, now next year with a better line and better wrs he may actually learn something, so the 7-9 season I had this year pegged as might be what we get from Allen next year.   Then in 2020 you might see a competitive football team.     

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

It's quite clear that McBeane's plan is to build this team long term. Whether or not they're doing it correctly is obviously up for debate, but they're clearly focused on the long term. How much confidence do you have that they'll succeed within the next 2-3 years?

 

 

...certainly agree and I understand his approach......will once again (oh well) wear out my reference to the Steelers model....3 HC's in 48 years, Colbert as GM since 2000, non-meddling ownership who let football people run the show, keep/extend their own versus shelling out FA $$$, and have SIX Lombardis to show for it...2009 SB victory featured 19 out of their 22 STARTERS acquired via draft......McDermott owned the 2017 draft.....McBeane arrives and the two are together for the first time with 2018 draft.....2019 is year two which they certainly deserve.......with 10 picks and FA $$$, it should shed some serious light on this partnership and the future direction of this club long term........will defer the CONFIDENCE question until I see what they collectively together in year two accomplish with draft and FA moves....stay tuned..........

Edited October 22, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...certainly agree and I understand his approach......will once again (oh well) wear out my reference to the Steelers model....3 HC's in 48 years, Colbert as GM since 2000, non-meddling ownership who let football people run the show, keep/extend their own versus shelling out FA $$$, and have SIX Lombardis to show for it...2009 SB victory featured 19 out of their 22 STARTERS acquired via draft......McDermott owned the 2017 draft.....McBeane arrives and the two are together for the first time with 2018 draft.....2019 is year two which they certainly deserve.......with 10 picks and FA $$$, it should shed some serious light on this partnership and the future direction of this club long term........will defer the CONFIDENCE question until I see what they collectively together in year two accomplish with draft and FA moves....stay tuned..........

I don't care how much you're planning for the future. Even if you're openly tanking (and the only reason to do that would be for a generation QB prospect) your offense cannot ever be this bad, even if this was the 70s. This offense is unacceptable stop trying to spin it.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I don't care how much you're planning for the future. Even if you're openly tanking (and the only reason to do that would be for a generation QB prospect) your offense cannot ever be this bad, even if this was the 70s. This offense is unacceptable stop trying to spin it.

 

...seriously?...what the hell did I ever SPIN?......first "tank talk" inclusion is asinine...Cuban paid the NBA 600 grand for "tank talk".....STRIKE ONE......this offense is highly NON-COMPETITIVE  for numerous reasons....tell me where the hell or to whom I gave a pass for this woefulness......HINT: no where....a year or two in transition does NOT afford you any type of luxury as far as REASONABLE competitiveness IMO......BAD read of me on your part............

[Fadingpain]

I voted 0% b/c both will be gone in the "next 2 to 3 years" IMO

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...seriously?...what the hell did I ever SPIN?......first "tank talk" inclusion is asinine...Cuban paid the NBA 600 grand for "tank talk".....STRIKE ONE......this offense is highly NON-COMPETITIVE  for numerous reasons....tell me where the hell or to whom I gave a pass for this woefulness......HINT: no where....a year or two in transition does NOT afford you any type of luxury as far as REASONABLE competitiveness IMO......BAD read of me on your part............

You said you will defer the confidence question, that is giving a pass to this coach/GM for this offense. I think it's a fireable offense. You are saying let's wait and see. 

[ctk232]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

So now you are changing your argument.  First you said they sucked because they don't believe its a passing league.  Now you are saying they cannot pick competent offensive players.  

 

I don't have an answer for you.  They are building the team their way.  They have decided not to invest in the offense yet.  I am not sure why, but by all appearances it looks like they believe you start with the QB and work your way out.  Besides, what have they traded away? Watkins? Glenn?  Dawkins has been as good as Glenn. Watkins is now a #2 WR.  

Zay is now progressing, finally. Not to where we'd like him to be but progressing with three QBs that wouldn't start anywhere else in the league. KB did help get us into the postseason last year and everyone liked until he started to regress this year. Dawkins is a long term keeper, too. Brought in Ivory, been solid all season long despite being an "aged" player. Since Bodine started our OL has been markedly better, not that he's the solution at Center, but hasn't exactly hurt us tremendously given he was the move made to fill massive holes left by Wood and Richie.

 

To add, why don't we let them get through another draft so people claiming they suck actually have more efficacious data to use to back these baseless and tangential arguments.

Edited October 22, 2018 by ctk232

[ctk232]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Hondo, he's a wealthy NFL coach. Getting called a 'dumbass' on a message board comes with the job. The only reason I'd think we're in middle school now is because I'm getting a lesson on civility and feelings. If you're so into feelings, maybe you shouldn't be into football? And no, it doesn't 'make me feel big.' It does make me feel better though. 

Well, the thing is if you're basing this solely on the fact that we traded a pick to the Chiefs who then drafted Mahomes, as though had we drafted Mahomes everything would be different, then to use a Stephen A term, yes, you are bloviating and really not contributing anything of worth to anyone but yourself.

 

The fact is Mahomes would likely look like Allen this year had the Bills drafted him, and there's no guarantee Mahomes continues to progress once Reid retires in the future, or the talent level around him fluctuates. For his sake I hope he continues down this path since most wrote him off as an air raid arm that likely won't translate into the NFL. I'll entertain other reasons backed with logic and facts for why McD deserves a certain level of ire, but it's otherwise baseless. Especially when there are measurable reasons for why McD hasn't succeeded as a HC in his second year. I'm still 50/50 whether he is the HC answer we've been waiting for, but there is very little to go off of right now to make that determination outright and without question.

[The_Dude]

10 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

Well, the thing is if you're basing this solely on the fact that we traded a pick to the Chiefs who then drafted Mahomes, as though had we drafted Mahomes everything would be different, then to use a Stephen A term, yes, you are bloviating and really not contributing anything of worth to anyone but yourself.

 

The fact is Mahomes would likely look like Allen this year had the Bills drafted him, and there's no guarantee Mahomes continues to progress once Reid retires in the future, or the talent level around him fluctuates. For his sake I hope he continues down this path since most wrote him off as an air raid arm that likely won't translate into the NFL. I'll entertain other reasons backed with logic and facts for why McD deserves a certain level of ire, but it's otherwise baseless. Especially when there are measurable reasons for why McD hasn't succeeded as a HC in his second year. I'm still 50/50 whether he is the HC answer we've been waiting for, but there is very little to go off of right now to make that determination outright and without question.

 

This is totally not worth responding to. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

You said you will defer the confidence question, that is giving a pass to this coach/GM for this offense. I think it's a fireable offense. You are saying let's wait and see. 

 

 

...differing opinions and respecting them makes this place work properly........as such I respect your opinion my friend...........

[KD in CA]

I can't say if it'll work, but these are the first guys in Buffalo attempting anything besides outright poo-flinging or shiny object chasing since the turn of the century.   

As such, my patience with them will be longer than 7 games after the franchise's only playoff berth in that timeframe.

[ctk232]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

 

This is totally not worth responding to. 

So you did anyway? Again, happy to discuss why McD will or will not pan out - just saying that the Bills passing on Mahomes is the reason he isn't and won't be successful, is not a viable argument to that end.

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

2. They have made clear that QB and the passing game is most important. 

 

3. Context matters.  We do not have a QB.  We have to rely on RB and defense until we get a franchise QB.  That does not mean that philosophically they don't understand that QB needs to come first.   

 

Now, who's "making stuff up"???  

 

How the hell have McDermott and Beane "made clear that QB and the passing game is most important"???  By shedding Goodwin, Woods, and Watkins and adding the Stone Hands Brigade of Benjamin, Jones, and the other assorted scrubs who try to impersonate NFL WRs every week?   Maybe it's by replacing Pro Bowl OLers with career backups and bottomfeeder starters?  Maybe it's by replacing one Neanderthal OC with Son of Neanderthal OC?

 

You're certainly correct that the Bills don't have a QB.  Why don't they have one?   Because McDermott really thinks Nate Peterman is an NFL caliber QB and is determined to prove it???  Because the only available street FA QB available was Derek Anderson?   Or is it because McDermott is so determined to get a franchise QB that he passed on Mahomes and Watson in 2017 in order to draft a DB????? 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

29 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Now, who's "making stuff up"???  

 

How the hell have McDermott and Beane "made clear that QB and the passing game is most important"???  By shedding Goodwin, Woods, and Watkins and adding the Stone Hands Brigade of Benjamin, Jones, and the other assorted scrubs who try to impersonate NFL WRs every week?   Maybe it's by replacing Pro Bowl OLers with career backups and bottomfeeder starters?  Maybe it's by replacing one Neanderthal OC with Son of Neanderthal OC?

 

You're certainly correct that the Bills don't have a QB.  Why don't they have one?   Because McDermott really thinks Nate Peterman is an NFL caliber QB and is determined to prove it???  Because the only available street FA QB available was Derek Anderson?   Or is it because McDermott is so determined to get a franchise QB that he passed on Mahomes and Watson in 2017 in order to draft a DB????? 

 

When they used those words.  Thats when they made it clear.   

 

Also, Goodwin and Woods weren't here by the time McDermott got hired.  

 

I started to go point by point, but my god this one of the craziest posts I have ever read. 

[Victory Formation]

I give them a 20% chance. If McDermott fires Brian Daboll and hires a new OC I'd give him a 50/50 chance.

[DCOrange]

I was hopeful at first. Then I was skeptical after this offseason's moves coupled with gameday decisions that McD made throughout his first season, but continued to think they need to get the offseason to bring their process full circle.

 

After this statement, I think I'm pretty much out.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

1 in 5, so 20 percent for myself.

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I was hopeful at first. Then I was skeptical after this offseason's moves coupled with gameday decisions that McD made throughout his first season, but continued to think they need to get the offseason to bring their process full circle.

 

After this statement, I think I'm pretty much out.

 

 

He still thinks it’s 1975. The way he speaks, it sounds like he thinks good defence and a good running game are the primary factors to being successful.

 

While those are factors, he’s missing kind of a small factor... Like maybe being able to throw for lots of yards and throw for lots of touchdowns in 2018?...

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

11 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I was hopeful at first. Then I was skeptical after this offseason's moves coupled with gameday decisions that McD made throughout his first season, but continued to think they need to get the offseason to bring their process full circle.

 

After this statement, I think I'm pretty much out.

 

 

I'm out too, but to be fair there was more to that quote where he said the league is a passing league now, but they aren't there yet (paraphrasing)

[teef]

3 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

Pretty much the same, my problem is the offense is so bad this year I don't see Allen learning much, now next year with a better line and better wrs he may actually learn something, so the 7-9 season I had this year pegged as might be what we get from Allen next year.   Then in 2020 you might see a competitive football team.     

 

 

I think you’re right. If this tea is ever going to be good, I can’t imagine it will be next year. That’s a tough pill to swallow. 

[iinii]

7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

1. That is wildly untrue. This is why hyperbole is so toxic.  "Every single time they talk."  I mean, really, when they were saying that it is a QB driven league and you have to get the passing game going, they weren't saying running game and defense comes first.  This kind of garbage is how false narratives start.  

 

2. They have made clear that QB and the passing game is most important. 

 

3. Context matters.  We do not have a QB.  We have to rely on RB and defense until we get a franchise QB.  That does not mean that philosophically they don't understand that QB needs to come first.   

2. Doesn’t seem clear at all. Talk is cheap. When we have explosive 300 yard plus performances weekly then we will know there is an actual emphasis.

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

We don't have a QB.  We don't have weapons.  The trades and picks we have made for offensive players have all been terrible (Allen excluded because it is too early).  Show me 1 time that they have identified a great offensive player that has contributed to our team.  Show me 1 bit of proof they know what offensive talent looks like.  I'll wait, but not too long because there is no answer.  You can have blind faith that they can figure out the offense.  But I haven't seen 1 example to show me, or anyone else for that matter, that they know what a good offensive player looks like.  The only decent offensive talent they had on their team they traded away or let go and now they are contributing to other teams.  Name the 1 guy they have brought in on offense that has made us better.  They can talk about it being a QB driven league all they want.  That is an obviously fundamental statement that the entire NFL knows.  It's about walking the walk and not talking the talk.  Right now our offense is worse than offenses that played on the 30's and 40's.  How long do you think they get to crawls out of the stone age on offense?  This league is about what have you done for me lately......  They don't have forever to get it right.

 

Huh?  They were here 1 draft.  And they took the most important offensive player in a QB which you just said is too early to know.  So what are you talking about?  I mean they took 1 offensive player in the first half the draft in a Allen.  So how can you say any of this?  Nothing you are ranting about actually makes sense in this regard in any of your posts here.  

 

For anyone to judge their ability (good or bad) to find offensive talent in the draft is literally just making stuff up at this point to serve their opinion because they have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate if they can or can’t outside of Allen...which again is too soon to judge.

[sven233]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Huh?  They were here 1 draft.  And they took the most important offensive player in a QB which you just said is too early to know.  So what are you talking about?  I mean they took 1 offensive player in the first half the draft in a Allen.  So how can you say any of this?  Nothing you are ranting about actually makes sense in this regard in any of your posts here.  

 

For anyone to judge their ability (good or bad) to find offensive talent in the draft is literally just making stuff up at this point to serve their opinion because they have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate if they can or can’t outside of Allen...which again is too soon to judge.

 

Name 1 good offensive player they have added to the team in 2 years........  We're not talking about weeks or months here.  We're talking 2 years of players that have come and gone.  Go ahead.....name 1 good offensive player they have identified.

Edited October 23, 2018 by sven233

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, sven233 said:

 

Name 1 good offensive player they have added to the team in 2 years........

 

What are you talking about?  You do realize Beane, our GM, was here only 1 draft right?  

[sven233]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What are you talking about?  You do realize Beane, our GM, was here only 1 draft right?  

 

McDermott has been here for 2 drafts and picked the players he wanted.  Beane has been here the entirety of last season and this season.  By the time the end of the season rolls around, they will have been here 2 full seasons.  Two drafts and two off seasons to bring in any type of offensive talent at all.  That's more than enough time to show you understand what is needed, not just talk about it.  They have let good players go and replaced them with downgrades.  Name 1 offensive player that has been brought in that has been any good at all in 2 seasons that should inspire faith that they can turn this offense into a modern NFL offense. 

[jrober38]

I think McDermott is a really good defensive coordinator.

 

The frequency that his teams get blown out is a major concern and reminiscent of Chan Gailey.

 

I have no faith in Beane. His selection of Josh Allen sealed it for me. 

[SDS]

A fan’s definition of success may be much different than what McDermott and Pegula agreed upon.  He may have laid out a plan that advocated for a methodical approach on a timeline most fans would find intolerable. 

 

So, in reality, the only measure of success is if he is accomplishing the goals he has privately set for the organization with the owner. 

[JM57]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What are you talking about?  You do realize Beane, our GM, was here only 1 draft right?  

If you truly think Beane, who was hired after McDermott, who the Pegulas were smitten with, is calling the shots, I have some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.

 

They may work in tandem, but McDermott absolutely has a strong voice in player moves. Nothing happens without his blessing. Nothing. The neglected offense is on him as much as Beane.

Edited October 23, 2018 by JM57

[Best Player Available]

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

A fan’s definition of success may be much different than what McDermott and Pegula agreed upon.  He may have laid out a plan that advocated for a methodical approach on a timeline most fans would find intolerable. 

 

So, in reality, the only measure of success is if he is accomplishing the goals he has privately set for the organization with the owner. 

Possible. But hard too believe. Based on how Pegula has handled goals or lack of them for his other sports team he owns.

Pegula has tried and failed in the past to get someone experienced  in who could oversee the operation. He certainly is not qualifed or experienced in team building strategy. But he owns the teams. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

McDermott has been here for 2 drafts and picked the players he wanted.  Beane has been here the entirety of last season and this season.  By the time the end of the season rolls around, they will have been here 2 full seasons.  Two drafts and two off seasons to bring in any type of offensive talent at all.  That's more than enough time to show you understand what is needed, not just talk about it.  They have let good players go and replaced them with downgrades.  Name 1 offensive player that has been brought in that has been any good at all in 2 seasons that should inspire faith that they can turn this offense into a modern NFL offense. 

 

1 draft dude...ONE.

 

Step away from the ledge.

21 minutes ago, JM57 said:

If you truly think Beane, who was hired after McDermott, who the Pegulas were smitten with, is calling the shots, I have some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.

 

They may work in tandem, but McDermott absolutely has a strong voice in player moves. Nothing happens without his blessing. Nothing. The neglected offense is on him as much as Beane.

 

I think you need a tin foil hat if you think Beane isn’t running the ship as a true GM.  

[sven233]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

1 draft dude...ONE.

 

Step away from the ledge.

 

I think you need a tin foil hat if you think Beane isn’t running the ship as a true GM.  

 

McDermott has has 2 drafts.....  FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have had 2 full off seasons of free agency.......  FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have had 2 full off seasons to trade for 1 good offensive talent...... FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have not brought in 1 good offensive player........  FACT

 

 

But hey.....keep your blind faith going.  I wish I could do that.  It would make following this team a lot more enjoyable.  But I go based on actions and their actions in 2 seasons show they have yet to identify a good offensive player.

Edited October 23, 2018 by sven233

[JM57]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

1 draft dude...ONE.

 

Step away from the ledge.

 

I think you need a tin foil hat if you think Beane isn’t running the ship as a true GM.  

You're ignoring all the quotes and evidence to the contrary if you think McDermott's voice isn't equal or nearly equal to that of Beane

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 hours ago, SDS said:

A fan’s definition of success may be much different than what McDermott and Pegula agreed upon.  He may have laid out a plan that advocated for a methodical approach on a timeline most fans would find intolerable. 

 

So, in reality, the only measure of success is if he is accomplishing the goals he has privately set for the organization with the owner. 

 

Measured, reasonably intellectual take. 8/10, would read again.

 

[ALF]

With so much player turnover I hate complex systems ( Rex D , Castillo blocking). Stay with basic brute force on OL . 

 

I think the zone secondary was the biggest surprise for me to click so soon. They must have lucked out on the right players.

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When they used those words.  Thats when they made it clear.   

 

Also, Goodwin and Woods weren't here by the time McDermott got hired.  

 

I started to go point by point, but my god this one of the craziest posts I have ever read. 

 

McDermott and Beane talk the talk but they sure as hell don't walk the walk.  Their actions clearly demonstrate that they don't care about offense.

 

• Both Goodwin and Woods were still under contract when McDermott was hired well before FA (he was hired in January IIRC).  Free agency doesn't begin until March, and Goodwin and Woods were allowed to walk away in FA.  I believe that Woods may not even been offered a contract. 
• With no other decent veteran WRs on the roster in TC except Jordan Matthews, McDermott and Beane traded away Sammy Watkins for a draft pick.
• The Bills finally got around to trading for what was supposed to be a top WR, Kelvin Benjamin, at the trade deadline although Matthews had been mostly injured since TC.

 

 In order to defend these incompetent clowns, you have to make up crap and rewrite history.  Now that's crazy, but carry on.

Edited October 23, 2018 by SoTier

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

54 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

McDermott and Beane talk the talk but they sure as hell don't walk the walk.  Their actions clearly demonstrate that they don't care about offense.

 

• Both Goodwin and Woods were still under contract when McDermott was hired well before FA (he was hired in January IIRC).  Free agency doesn't begin until March, and Goodwin and Woods were allowed to walk away in FA.  I believe that Woods may not even been offered a contract. 
• With no other decent veteran WRs on the roster in TC except Jordan Matthews, McDermott and Beane traded away Sammy Watkins for a draft pick.
• The Bills finally got around to trading for what was supposed to be a top WR, Kelvin Benjamin, at the trade deadline although Matthews had been mostly injured since TC.

 

 In order to defend these incompetent clowns, you have to make up crap and rewrite history.  Now that's crazy, but carry on.

 

It took cutting half the team to get us out of cap hell, but you advocate that they should have resigned Woods and Goodwin, two WR who up to that point had greatly underachieved in Buffalo, all while we did not have the QB of the future?  No rational person could look at that and think it was a smart move.  This ENTIRE board pounded the table not only for Goodwin to be let go but for him to be CUT (because that is how the board operates- anyone who doesn't immediately contribute needs to be cut).  We were NEVER going to be able to keep all those guys.  

 

They traded Sammy so they could get their QB.  Sammy (the #2 receiver in KC) wanted more than we were going to give him.  We got great value from what was an asset that would walk away.  All that aside, WRs don't mean anything without a QB.  

 

This really all brings us back to the true lesson of having Sammy, Woods, Goodwin and Hogan on the same team: that it means NOTHING without a QB.  Those guys, with good or average QB plays, have become stars.  That is because of the QB, nothing else.  The first step is the QB.  The rest falls into place afterwards.  Thats what the Eagles did, that is what the Rams did.  Why is all of a sudden incompetence for us to do the same thing?  

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 hours ago, sven233 said:

Name 1 good offensive player they have added to the team in 2 years........  We're not talking about weeks or months here.  We're talking 2 years of players that have come and gone.  Go ahead.....name 1 good offensive player they have identified.

Dion Dawkins. (Admittedly the only offensive player added that I think is definitely good at this point)

 

And no, that isn't a jab at Allen or hate. Allen could be very good, but at this point he is not yet.

[sven233]

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Dion Dawkins. (Admittedly the only offensive player added that I think is definitely good at this point)

 

And no, that isn't a jab at Allen or hate. Allen could be very good, but at this point he is not yet.

 

Dawkins is a good player.  He isn't going to help score points, but a good player.  I will say this.  It may be hard to gauge just how good he is yet, though, because he is the best lineman on a team with below average lineman.  He is going to stand out.  Is he a top tackle in this league yet?  No.  But he is serviceable to this point and hopefully will keep getting better and I think is someone you can win with.  They need another tackle, 2 guards, and a center, though!!!  HA!

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

23 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

It's quite clear that McBeane's plan is to build this team long term. Whether or not they're doing it correctly is obviously up for debate, but they're clearly focused on the long term. How much confidence do you have that they'll succeed within the next 2-3 years?

 

So far I'd say the future looks good... QB Josh Allen, WR Zay Jones, OT Dion Dawkins, ILB Tremaine Edmunds, DT Harrison Phillips, CB Tre'Davious White, OLB Matt Milano, S Micah Hyde, DE Trent Murphy, DT Star Louteleilei. All of these players are solid building blocks but this team needs a dominant edge rusher, #1 WR, future RB, a solid #2 corner, RT and a C or G which seems like a bunch but if we can hit on 2 or 3 this season and the rest the following season then I see this transitioning completely by 2020.

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

McDermott has has 2 drafts.....  FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have had 2 full off seasons of free agency.......  FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have had 2 full off seasons to trade for 1 good offensive talent...... FACT

 

Beane and McDermott have not brought in 1 good offensive player........  FACT

 

 

But hey.....keep your blind faith going.  I wish I could do that.  It would make following this team a lot more enjoyable.  But I go based on actions and their actions in 2 seasons show they have yet to identify a good offensive player.

 

Seriously man, get a grip.  One draft...and cleared cap space.  You need a Valium