ROCBillsBeliever Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 8 hours ago, LFC24 said: had had 10 completions for 80 yards lol. 1 good throw doesn't negate the multiple games of poor QB play. he was bad. i don't understand this "he needs better weapons" argument. who is Darnold throwing to? The Jets offense is not much better than ours. Quincy Enunwa? He would be our #1 in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Your usual nonsense unfortunately. Every young QB has to get the game to slow down for him. I disagree after watching yesterday. He's threw 19 times in less than 3 full quarters, which is reasonable given the focus on the run game. As time goes on he'll process quicker and get the ball out quicker. I'm not saying he's great by any means. He has a lot to learn. What I'm saying is those who insist he's making no progress aren't really watching what's going on. I've never seen a young QB that doesn't pull the trigger learn to pull the trigger. Making mistakes is one thing, this is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 My opinion is that we need to stop micro-analyzing his every move and throw. He's had some great throws and lots of bad throws. He is making mistakes and poor decisions. But he is getting his trial by fire, and the real test is what does he become starting next year. Everyone needs to adjust expectations and buckle up for the rest of the year. I still expect his attitude and work ethic to produce a much improved performance down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: I still expect his attitude and work ethic to produce a much improved performance down the road. Just like Tebow ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I've never seen a young QB that doesn't pull the trigger learn to pull the trigger. Making mistakes is one thing, this is different. I have. I recall Aikman being that type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The bar for QB play on this board can't be any lower. Allen was awful yesterday. He looks completely lost out there for long stretches of the games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I have. I recall Aikman being that type. This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs Comparing their rookie years. Please try to actually read before your snark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs This. For every Aikman or Goff, there are at least 5 guys who went on to be complete busts. Allen might be Aikman or Goff, or he might be Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Couch, Akili Smith.... You get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: This. For every Aikman or Goff, there are at least 5 guys who went on to be complete busts. Allen might be Aikman or Goff, or he might be Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Couch, Akili Smith.... You get the idea. As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are. We don't know what Allen will be yet. Watch the Pack game. Watch yesterday. Then tell me he's not learning. If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can accept mistakes and growing pains of the improvement is evident. Unfortunately, we aren’t seeing much improvement or growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are. We don't know what Allen will be yet. Watch the Pack game. Watch yesterday. Then tell me he's not learning. If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games. He had 80 yards. He has 700 yards in 5 games. Yesterday was actually worse than his average (somehow), but you know you seem to think yesterday was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are. We don't know what Allen will be yet. Watch the Pack game. Watch yesterday. Then tell me he's not learning. If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games. I'm not trying to be a guru. I'm simply explaining that the history of the NFL from the past 25 years says that Josh Allen is probably going to be a bust. Watch the Pack game? The one where we got shutout and he threw 2 awful interceptions? Yesterday he showed nothing aside from one completion for 39 yards that any NFL QB should be expected to complete. He's not learning anything. He's been horrible since the first half of the Minnesota game. He looks like an over matched 3rd string QB. We have no passing offense with him on the field. He holds the ball too long, looks to run too fast, and he just generally does nothing to generate positive offense and points on the board. He makes the same mistakes week in and week out. Edited October 15, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Mmmm, yeah. They're calld 'Trolls' Right, so if you're not happy with every move the Bills have made, you're a troll, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I don’t....I mean, he’s a guy after all. He does have dreamy eyes though. No, no...this is wrong. Do you think he likes me too? I can’t. I just..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 What game did you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I can accept mistakes and growing pains of the improvement is evident. Unfortunately, we aren’t seeing much improvement or growth. I hope they let him play through this as long as he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: I hope they let him play through this as long as he's healthy. It would be a poor decision not to considering our other options are Peterman (for now) or Anderson. For better or worse you’ve given him the reigns. Now you have to ride it out and see what he can do. So far, it’s not looking promising 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: It would be a poor decision not to considering our other options are Peterman (for now) or Anderson. For better or worse you’ve given him the reigns. Now you have to ride it out and see what he can do. So far, it’s not looking promising Agreed. This isn't unexpected based on what he was as a prospect coming out of Wyoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Agreed. This isn't unexpected based on what he was as a prospect coming out of Wyoming. Doesn’t surprise me. I wasn’t a fan of his game coming out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) I’ll say this in Allen’s defense. Just before his injury it looked like the light bulb finally came on for him. He threw that nice ball to KB (which DiMarco ruined). Then the second nice ball down the middle over the DB. That was beautiful. I think those passes gave him confidence to stand in and let it rip. Then the injury. Ugh. Hopefully he will improve in his next start Edited October 15, 2018 by zow2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: Doesn’t surprise me. I wasn’t a fan of his game coming out of college. Same here, but it's spilled milk now. Gotta roll with him and hope he develops with a much better supporting cast next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: Right, so if you're not happy with every move the Bills have made, you're a troll, got it. There's a lot of space in between "not happy with every move the Bills have made", and pronouncing a rookie QB a bust after 5 games. There's a good bit of additional space between pronouncing him a bust, and prospectively proclaiming him such in one's screen name. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 hours ago, BobBelcher said: That one hurts, and it'll hurt forever, but Rosen bothers me a lot more... because we were taking a QB for sure and he was there for the taking and just a year before taking Allen we drafted Peterman because of his supposed "NFL readiness" yet I guess that factor was not in play when choosing our franchise QB. I'm still willing to defend allen at this point and give him the rest of this season, but my god, I'll never get over that pick with Rosen on the board. Rosen has the same arm strength and substantially more accuracy. To me accuracy is everything and Josh doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 hours ago, BobBelcher said: We also win if Bills run game delivers like last week and Ivory converts on 3rd and 2. Peterman may not even have had to take the field again! What about those special teams? They were special all right... And did they save McCoy for the trade? We didn't see him enough of him, not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: He had 80 yards. He has 700 yards in 5 games. Yesterday was actually worse than his average (somehow), but you know you seem to think yesterday was great. Stop with the dumb overreactions. Everybody pulls this nonsense. i did not say yesterday was great. I have said he has a ways to go, as do all rookie QBs. What I did say is that if you watch the Packers game vs. yesterday he has shown improvement, and that if you watch them objectively there is no way to argue otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Stop with the dumb overreactions. Everybody pulls this nonsense. i did not say yesterday was great. I have said he has a ways to go, as do all rookie QBs. What I did say is that if you watch the Packers game vs. yesterday he has shown improvement, and that if you watch them objectively there is no way to argue otherwise. But there is. It seems like you are being the non-objective one who is not open to any criticism of josh Allen. The only touchdown of the game came from Nate F)*& Peterman. Allen cant get out of his own way at times. He is still doing the same things he did week 2. HE is not trusting his pocket, his is trying to escape where there is no need too. He feels non-existent pressure it seems. I don't know if any of that stuff can be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 He has a long way to go to even get to EJ Manuel's baseline. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Are there any good QBs coming out next year in case we are picking high enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsherd said: Are there any good QBs coming out next year in case we are picking high enough? Every year coming up is the greatest draft pool ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: But there is. It seems like you are being the non-objective one who is not open to any criticism of josh Allen. The only touchdown of the game came from Nate F)*& Peterman. Allen cant get out of his own way at times. He is still doing the same things he did week 2. HE is not trusting his pocket, his is trying to escape where there is no need too. He feels non-existent pressure it seems. I don't know if any of that stuff can be corrected. Would you stop with the hyperbolic nonsense? After the Pack game I said he stunk. And based on yesterday what have I said? That he still has a long way to go. and you sit here and say I am not open to any criticism of him? Give me a break. Again, I knew the outcome of the game before I watched it yesterday. So I was watching Allen specifically to see how he did. First pass, terrible to Clay. After that, I don't recall a pass that was way off the mark. I think the one to Benjamin when double covered deep was more of a throwaway. He went through progressions a bit faster. he was accurate with a number of throws when he was set in the pocket and delivered. Does he still need to develop? Hell yes. A lot? Hell yes. But, again. if you watch the Pack game and then watch yesterday's game it is clear to anyone who wants to actually take an objective view that he is doing better. Not great by any means. Not even good yet. But better. And hopefully with time he continues that trend. News flash: I wanted Watson last year. He did not look good at all yesterday either. Wanted Rosen this year. And he is having his ups and downs. Mayfield had a really tough day yesterday. Young QBs go through this. Why can people not get it through their heads? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I feel like the fan base is split between those who were ready for a project rookie to have a rough few outings at the start, and those who need to see HOF type play within 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Success said: I feel like the fan base is split between those who were ready for a project rookie to have a rough few outings at the start, and those who need to see HOF type play within 5 games. And those who tell us that HOF players had rough starts, guaranteeing Allen is Hall of Fame material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: And those who tell us that HOF players had rough starts, guaranteeing Allen is Hall of Fame material I haven’t seen one poster guarantee that, it even that he’ll defintely be good. Just that it’s too early to tell either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, billsherd said: Are there any good QBs coming out next year in case we are picking high enough? The upcoming QB class looks pretty terrible. Looks like a bunch of 2nd/3rd round type guys with minimal upside. 2020 and 2021 should be absolutely loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 You all realize that all of the things you are praising Josh Allen for doing are the exact same things we railed on Tyrod Taylor for doing, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Success said: I haven’t seen one poster guarantee that, it even that he’ll defintely be good. Just that it’s too early to tell either way. I see them tell me every Hall of famer had a rough start daily on here, they have bats in the belfry to tell me this guy has any right to Hall of Famer comparison should be horewhipped for speaking the name of Brady and Allen in a post Edited October 15, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 This is when he looked good. Not much beyond this play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: This is when he looked good. Not much beyond this play. he also made a great throw to KB the drive before that got called back. I personally think he was finally settling in a bit more and was getting confident in ripping some balls down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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