Allen looked very good today

[Jaywrizzo]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

Great throw to Benjamin, his best throw all year. Ashame that's the play he got hurt on. Hopefully it's just a bone bruise. He scrambled well. Get him a line and some weapons, we are off to the races. 

 

Even happier watching Mayfield and Rosen stink it up. Darnold looked pretty good, I always had him and Allen as the top guys.

Hahahahaha....very good?......hahahahaha another Blind Bills fan, not able to evaluate talent. 

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I see them tell me every Hall of famer had a rough start daily on here, they have bats in the belfry to tell me this guy has any right to Hall of Famer comparison

 

should be horewhipped for speaking the name of Brady and Allen in a post

 

Same old nonsense.  I did not say anywhere he would be a Hall of Famer.  Nor did anyone else on this board.  I did say guys like Aikman had similar growing pains the first few games of their rookie year.  That does not mean Allen will be a HOFer.

[sleeby]

How about a QB guru?  Not sure if already been done before or not.  Say, sign Peyton manning as QB guru to help out.  Not a coach though - the guru is more free and has no paperwork and player discipline and such and need not be on hand on sunday sideline.

Getting an very good active QB to start and train the rookie costs getting a very good and active QB - no go.  Why not find a great recently retired QB and ask for 10-15 hours a week or so with our QB squad and coach?  Not a full time job he needs to relocate for but pay accordingly.  $1mil?  I dunno.  

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Jaywrizzo said:

Hahahahaha....very good?......hahahahaha another Blind Bills fan, not able to evaluate talent. 

I wanted Rosen myself, but of course now want Allen to succeed.  Mayfield had a really tough day yesterday.  Teams are figuring out that that if they keep him in the pocket he'll have a tougher time.  He like every other young QB will need to continue to figure things out and develop.

 

I'll tell you another thing.  If the Bills had been the Chiefs last night, and Allen had been Mahomes last night, I can't begin to count how many folks here would be blaming Allen for throwing a dumb pick in the end zone at the end of the half and how that cost them the game, instead of focusing on what he did in the second half.

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

he also made a great throw to KB the drive before that got called back. I personally think he was finally settling in a bit more and was getting confident in ripping some balls down the field.

 

Would have been nice to see him finish the game to find out. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, sleeby said:

How about a QB guru?  Not sure if already been done before or not.  Say, sign Peyton manning as QB guru to help out.  Not a coach though - the guru is more free and has no paperwork and player discipline and such and need not be on hand on sunday sideline.

Getting an very good active QB to start and train the rookie costs getting a very good and active QB - no go.  Why not find a great recently retired QB and ask for 10-15 hours a week or so with our QB squad and coach?  Not a full time job he needs to relocate for but pay accordingly.  $1mil?  I dunno.  

Good idea.  I will be intrigued to see what effect Anderson has.  Sometimes the real star guys have a harder time teaching because it came so natural whereas the guys that had to work really hard to survive in the league wind up better at coaching.

[C.Biscuit97]

I mean I respect anyone for being optimistic.  But holy crap, is this real life?  We are saying a qb who “led” us to 6 points and had 80 yards passing looked good?  What is your comparison? Pop Warner?  Then yes, Allen looked good.  But compared to 99% of the nfl that performance is borderline being in the nfl.  

 

Im not going to run his out of town but we are standards for “good” are so pathetically low.

[Jaywrizzo]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I wanted Rosen myself, but of course now want Allen to succeed.  Mayfield had a really tough day yesterday.  Teams are figuring out that that if they keep him in the pocket he'll have a tougher time.  He like every other young QB will need to continue to figure things out and develop.

 

I'll tell you another thing.  If the Bills had been the Chiefs last night, and Allen had been Mahomes last night, I can't begin to count how many folks here would be blaming Allen for throwing a dumb pick in the end zone at the end of the half and how that cost them the game, instead of focusing on what he did in the second half.

Mahomes has multiple games with 3 or more TDs with 0 INTs.....let's be realistic here please!

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Would have been nice to see him finish the game to find out. 

right. I mean, I could be way off. but a couple of throws like that can really create some momentum for a young qb IMO.

[wppete]

I dont think our QB situation has been this bad ever. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

right. I mean, I could be way off. but a couple of throws like that can really create some momentum for a young qb IMO.

 

I just want him to get as many snaps as possible. 

[billieve420]

11 hours ago, LFC24 said:

had had 10 completions for 80 yards lol. 1 good throw doesn't negate the multiple games of poor QB play. 

 

he was bad. i don't understand this "he needs better weapons" argument. who is Darnold throwing to? The Jets offense is not much better than ours. 

 

Darnold was more pro ready coming out of college than Allen was. Allen shouldn't have been starting to begin with but no point in crying over spilled milk now. The only agenda the Bills should have now is to get Allen through the season and let him learn from his mistakes as he goes along. Then do a complete tear down/Overhaul of the entire offense and give him some play makers to work with next year.

Edited October 15, 2018 by billieve420

[row_33]

5 minutes ago, wppete said:

I dont think our QB situation has been this bad ever. 

 

At a particular point it must have, but this is now over 20 years since Kelly’s prime, making it worse

[thebandit27]

I love this fan base.

 

Allen either has to be "very good" or "the worst QB in NFL history".

 

He cannot simply be a talented kid for whom the game is moving too quickly, that was denied the chance to get up to NFL speed, and instead thrown into the fray before he was ready because the coaching staff and front office botched the off-season approach at QB; starting a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL and trading away the veteran they brought in specifically to stabilize the position.

 

Right now, the kid's biggest problem is that the game is moving too quickly for him, and so he's trying to make plays any way that he can.  That's a recipe for bad-looking QB play.  It's magnified by the fact that they have the worst offensive personnel in the league around him, but that's beside the point.

 

Why anyone is surprised by this is beyond me, but not as far beyond me as how we can have so many overly presumptuous folks that are ready to close the book on the kid because he's not up to NFL speed after 2 years at Wyoming and 5 NFL starts.

 

That's the height of ignorance IMO.

 

For better or worse, he's the starter, and since he doesn't look like he's getting the confidence beaten out of him, they should let him play.

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by thebandit27

[Success]

I mean, we’re 5 games in.  This whole “debate” is completely surreal.

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, Jaywrizzo said:

Mahomes has multiple games with 3 or more TDs with 0 INTs.....let's be realistic here please!

I am being realistic.  Mahomes looks really good to be sure.  Coming out he had a lot of doubters because of his footwork, playing in a single read spread offense and such but the kid is a stud so far.  But the realism is truly this:  if things were changed around and the Bills had lost the same way to the Patriots as the Chiefs did last night, Allen would be getting roasted for throwing that pick vs. all the good things.

 

It is what Bills fans do.  They all think the next guy is going to be Kelly, and if the guy they bring in does not immediately ring forth images of Jimbo, they guy is a bum who will never make it.  Can you imagine what some Bills fans would have said if w e had gotten Darnold and he threw a pick 6 his first pass, like he did with the Jets?  He would have been immediately declared a bust by some, and that would have been it.

[The Bills Blog]

18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean I respect anyone for being optimistic.  But holy crap, is this real life?  We are saying a qb who “led” us to 6 points and had 80 yards passing looked good?  What is your comparison? Pop Warner?  Then yes, Allen looked good.  But compared to 99% of the nfl that performance is borderline being in the nfl.  

 

Im not going to run his out of town but we are standards for “good” are so pathetically low.

Did you watch the f****** game or are you just looking at stats? It was clearly his best game. This thread is baffling to me.

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, wppete said:

I dont think our QB situation has been this bad ever. 

Some names for you:

 

Dan Darraugh

Vince Ferregamo

 

 

Just for starters.  You can probably fill in a lot more if you give it some thought.

 

[TheElectricCompany]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

  if things were changed around and the Bills had lost the same way to the Patriots as the Chiefs did last night, Allen would be getting roasted for throwing that pick vs. all the good things.

 

If Allen wants to throw for 350+ yards, 4 TDs and lead an offense that scores 40 in Foxborough, I'm OK with him throwing 2 picks. 

We might be waiting a long time for Josh to make that kind of impact.  

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[oldmanfan]

25 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

If Allen wants to throw for 350+ yards, 4 TDs and lead an offense that scores 40 in Foxborough, I'm OK with him throwing 2 picks. 

We might be waiting a long time for Josh to make that kind of impact.  

 

I would be too.  You know that some people here would focus on the pick.

 

Give the kid time.  I see evidence the game is starting to slow down for him. 

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would be too.  You know that some people here would focus on the pick.

 

Give the kid time.  I see evidence the game is starting to slow down for him. 

 

Like what?

 

What specific plays from yesterday suggest the game is slowing down for him?

[C.Biscuit97]

38 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Did you watch the f****** game or are you just looking at stats? It was clearly his best game. This thread is baffling to me.

I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not.  I watched the entire game.  I’ve also watched other football games.  Nothing about yesterday was good.  He made 2 good passes. 

 

I think Bills fans are suffering Stockholm syndrome for years of bad offensive football.  

39 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Some names for you:

 

Dan Darraugh

Vince Ferregamo

 

 

Just for starters.  You can probably fill in a lot more if you give it some thought.

 

They were before my time but I would imagine they would have faired better in today’s nfl.  It has never been easier to be a nfl QB (which is still the hardest job in sports).

[26CornerBlitz]

41 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Did you watch the f****** game or are you just looking at stats? It was clearly his best game. This thread is baffling to me.

 

Beyond any stats, what did he do well?

[C.Biscuit97]

42 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I am being realistic.  Mahomes looks really good to be sure.  Coming out he had a lot of doubters because of his footwork, playing in a single read spread offense and such but the kid is a stud so far.  But the realism is truly this:  if things were changed around and the Bills had lost the same way to the Patriots as the Chiefs did last night, Allen would be getting roasted for throwing that pick vs. all the good things.

 

It is what Bills fans do.  They all think the next guy is going to be Kelly, and if the guy they bring in does not immediately ring forth images of Jimbo, they guy is a bum who will never make it.  Can you imagine what some Bills fans would have said if w e had gotten Darnold and he threw a pick 6 his first pass, like he did with the Jets?  He would have been immediately declared a bust by some, and that would have been it.

For me personally, Allen is exactly what I thought he would be and it’s why I didn’t want us to pick him.  His weaknesses are the ones that are very difficult to overcome.  I mean we’re stuck with him and he should get 2 years but he is making EJ’s rookie year look amazing. 

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Beyond any stats, what did he do well?

He didn’t ? his pants.  

 

I will say he looks the part minus the passing part.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not.  I watched the entire game.  I’ve also watched other football games.  Nothing about yesterday was good.  He made 2 good passes. 

 

I think Bills fans are suffering Stockholm syndrome for years of bad offensive football.  

They were before my time but I would imagine they would have faired better in today’s nfl.  It has never been easier to be a nfl QB (which is still the hardest job in sports).

Ferragamo was bad for the Bills, but he also qb'd in a Super Bowl, and in 1980 his team went 11-4 when he started and he threw 30 TDs, 19 INTs, and averaged 7.9 YPA. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

For me personally, Allen is exactly what I thought he would be and it’s why I didn’t want us to pick him.  His weaknesses are the ones that are very difficult to overcome.  I mean we’re stuck with him and he should get 2 years but he is making EJ’s rookie year look amazing. 

 

The difference here is that EJ started in 4 bowl games at FSU and played with and around NFL talent.  He had Stevie Johnson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, and other real NFL players at this disposal.

 

It shouldn't surprise you that EJ came into the league at his ceiling and bottomed out quickly, much like it shouldn't surprise you that Allen is coming into the NFL at his floor.  Playing 2 years at Wyoming before starting as a rookie while being surrounded by borderline NFL players isn't going to result in him looking like a guy that started 4 bowl games at FSU and was surrounded by legit NFL talent.

[teef]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I just want him to get as many snaps as possible. 

this is where i'm at with it.  he needs to keep seeing the game.  it will either slow down for him or...ya know.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We haven't had a QB for 20 years. You'd think we'd have plenty of practice in telling if a QB has 'it' or not. People are just flat out lying to themselves if they think Josh Allen is a viable NFL QB. I don't care he's a rookie. 

[oldmanfan]

25 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Like what?

 

What specific plays from yesterday suggest the game is slowing down for him?

I will rewatch tonight and post specifics.

[AllenWillBust]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's a lot of space in between "not happy with every move the Bills have made", and pronouncing a rookie QB a bust after 5 games.

There's a good bit of additional space between pronouncing him  a bust, and prospectively proclaiming him such in one's screen name.

 

So if Allen busts, and McBeane gets canned, were those fans trolls after all?

 

Were the Losman and EJ haters trolls, or did they have a point that most Bills fans did not want to hear because it upset their echo chamber?

 

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

So if Allen busts, and McBeane gets canned, were those fans trolls after all?

 

Were the Losman and EJ haters trolls, or did they have a point that most Bills fans did not want to hear because it upset their echo chamber?

 

if somebody is proclaiming any player a bust 5 games in, they're ignorant. whether the troll-ish remarks pan out or not. its still dumb to make proclamations so early.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[AllenWillBust]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

if somebody is proclaiming any player a bust 5 games in they're ignorant. whether the troll-ish remarks pan out or not. its still dumb to make proclamations so early.

 

What if they knew the player was a bust before they even suited up to play in the NFL?  Isn't this what talent evaluation is for? Why some teams pick different players given the opportunity?

Edited October 15, 2018 by AllenWillBust

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

What if they knew the player was a bust before they even suited up to play in the NFL?  Isn't this what talent evaluation is for? Why some teams pick different players given the opportunity?

don't pretend you know if a player will bust or not. I always get a chuckle out of the people that "know". i'd be willing to bet for every dumb premature proclamation you have gotten right you have about 5 that were wrong. that's the nature of the league. even the guys that know don't really know.

 

comical.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Success]

4 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

So if Allen busts, and McBeane gets canned, were those fans trolls after all?

 

Were the Losman and EJ haters trolls, or did they have a point that most Bills fans did not want to hear because it upset their echo chamber?

 

No correlation there.  It’s way to early for anyone to conclude anything.  

[AllenWillBust]

Just now, Success said:

No correlation there.  It’s way to early for anyone to conclude anything.  

 

Except for the teams who decided in the draft Allen was garbage and were not going to pick him, I guess they were just clueless trolls.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, AllenWillBust said:

 

Except for the teams who decided in the draft Allen was garbage and were not going to pick him, I guess they were just clueless trolls.

you have an entertainment quality to you. i'll give you that.

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

What if they knew the player was a bust before they even suited up to play in the NFL?  Isn't this what talent evaluation is for? Why some teams pick different players given the opportunity?

 

They didn't.

 

You don't "know"...you might believe, suppose, predict, or even staunchly assert the opinion that a guy will bust.

 

To say you "know" is quite simply lying.

 

For example, back in June of 2016, I predicted (actually, the terminology I used was "feel like") that Patrick Mahomes would be "special".  I could be on this board pounding my chest about how I "knew"...but the thing is, I didn't.  I believed that he would be special, but I'm not so self-aggrandizing that I'd say that I knew.

Edited October 15, 2018 by thebandit27

[tbarg12]

This year is gonna be rough, I think you let Allen play if he is able so he can get the reps and hopefully that helps slow the game down for him. Give him some looks at different defensive coverages and just keep working on pre-snap adjustments. 

I'm interested in seeing how he progresses the rest of this year, I think he will show a lot more improvement next season after going through this season and then OTAs and training camp.

[Jaywrizzo]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I am being realistic.  Mahomes looks really good to be sure.  Coming out he had a lot of doubters because of his footwork, playing in a single read spread offense and such but the kid is a stud so far.  But the realism is truly this:  if things were changed around and the Bills had lost the same way to the Patriots as the Chiefs did last night, Allen would be getting roasted for throwing that pick vs. all the good things.

 

It is what Bills fans do.  They all think the next guy is going to be Kelly, and if the guy they bring in does not immediately ring forth images of Jimbo, they guy is a bum who will never make it.  Can you imagine what some Bills fans would have said if w e had gotten Darnold and he threw a pick 6 his first pass, like he did with the Jets?  He would have been immediately declared a bust by some, and that would have been it.

Mahomes threw a dumb Int before the half and if Allen did that and still put up 40pts, I think people would be fine....I know I would. I just want to see this dude get better and stop missing wide open Wr's....Every QB misses open targets, I've sat in the stands and watch Gronk run wide open down the middle of the field and Brady not see him BUT Brady had 400yds that Day....Allen has to be better.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Jaywrizzo said:

Mahomes threw a dumb Int before the half and if Allen did that and still put up 40pts, I think people would be fine....I know I would. I just want to see this dude get better and stop missing wide open Wr's....Every QB misses open targets, I've sat in the stands and watch Gronk run wide open down the middle of the field and Brady not see him BUT Brady had 400yds that Day....Allen has to be better.

I agree Allen needs to improve.  I suspect if you asked Allen, he would say he needs to improve.  But he has played less than half an NFL season.

 

The last rookie QB I can remember that walked in and actually played great was Dan Marino.