Jump to content

Allen looked very good today


Recommended Posts

8 hours ago, LFC24 said:

had had 10 completions for 80 yards lol. 1 good throw doesn't negate the multiple games of poor QB play. 

 

he was bad. i don't understand this "he needs better weapons" argument. who is Darnold throwing to? The Jets offense is not much better than ours. 

 

Quincy Enunwa?

 

He would be our #1 in a heartbeat. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Your usual nonsense unfortunately.  Every young QB has to get the game to slow down for him. 

I disagree after watching yesterday.  He's threw 19 times in less than 3 full quarters, which is reasonable given the focus on the run game. 

 

As time goes on he'll process quicker and get the ball out quicker.  I'm not saying he's great by any means.  He has a lot to learn.  What I'm saying is those who insist he's making no progress aren't really watching what's going on.

I've never seen a young QB that doesn't pull the trigger learn to pull the trigger. 

 

Making mistakes is one thing, this is different. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My opinion is that we need to stop micro-analyzing his every move and throw.  He's had some great throws and lots of bad throws.  He is making mistakes and poor decisions.  But he is getting his trial by fire, and the real test is what does he become starting next year.  Everyone needs to adjust expectations and buckle up for the rest of the year.  I still expect his attitude and work ethic to produce a much improved performance down the road.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I have.  I recall Aikman being that type.

 

This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman

 

Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, row_33 said:

 

This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman

 

Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs

 

 

Comparing their rookie years.  Please try to actually read before your snark.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

This will not turn out to be anything within a million miles of Aikman

 

Please stop using Hall of Fame caeeers to excuse away horribly outmatched Bills QBs

 

 

 

This.

 

For every Aikman or Goff, there are at least 5 guys who went on to be complete busts. 

 

Allen might be Aikman or Goff, or he might be Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Couch, Akili Smith....

 

You get the idea. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

This.

 

For every Aikman or Goff, there are at least 5 guys who went on to be complete busts. 

 

Allen might be Aikman or Goff, or he might be Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Tim Couch, Akili Smith....

 

You get the idea. 

As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are.

 

We don't know what Allen will be yet.  Watch the Pack game.  Watch yesterday.  Then tell me he's not learning.  If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are.

 

We don't know what Allen will be yet.  Watch the Pack game.  Watch yesterday.  Then tell me he's not learning.  If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games.

He had 80 yards.

He has 700 yards in 5 games.

Yesterday was actually worse than his average (somehow), but you know you seem to think yesterday was great. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

As I pointed out yesterday you are not the guru of QBs you think you are.

 

We don't know what Allen will be yet.  Watch the Pack game.  Watch yesterday.  Then tell me he's not learning.  If you do then I will know you didn't actually watch the games.

 

I'm not trying to be a guru.

 

I'm simply explaining that the history of the NFL from the past 25 years says that Josh Allen is probably going to be a bust. 


Watch the Pack game? The one where we got shutout and he threw 2 awful interceptions? Yesterday he showed nothing aside from one completion for 39 yards that any NFL QB should be expected to complete. 

 

He's not learning anything. He's been horrible since the first half of the Minnesota game. He looks like an over matched 3rd string QB. We have no passing offense with him on the field. He holds the ball too long, looks to run too fast, and he just generally does nothing to generate positive offense and points on the board. 

 

He makes the same mistakes week in and week out. 

Edited by jrober38
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I hope they let him play through this as long as he's healthy.

 

It would be a poor decision not to considering our other options are Peterman (for now) or Anderson.

 

For better or worse you’ve given him the reigns. Now you have to ride it out and see what he can do. So far, it’s not looking promising 

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

It would be a poor decision not to considering our other options are Peterman (for now) or Anderson.

 

For better or worse you’ve given him the reigns. Now you have to ride it out and see what he can do. So far, it’s not looking promising 

 

Agreed. This isn't unexpected based on what he was as a prospect coming out of Wyoming.

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’ll say this in Allen’s defense.  Just before his injury it looked like the light bulb finally came on for him. He threw that nice ball to KB (which DiMarco ruined).  Then the second nice ball down the middle over the DB.  That was beautiful.  I think those passes gave him confidence to stand in and let it rip.  Then the injury. Ugh.  Hopefully he will improve in his next start 

Edited by zow2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Right, so if you're not happy with every move the Bills have made, you're a troll, got it.

 

There's a lot of space in between "not happy with every move the Bills have made", and pronouncing a rookie QB a bust after 5 games.

There's a good bit of additional space between pronouncing him  a bust, and prospectively proclaiming him such in one's screen name.

  • Thank you (+1) 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

 

That one hurts, and it'll hurt forever, but Rosen bothers me a lot more... because we were taking a QB for sure and he was there for the taking and just a year before taking Allen we drafted Peterman because of his supposed "NFL readiness" yet I guess that factor was not in play when choosing our franchise QB.  I'm still willing to defend allen at this point and give him the rest of this season, but my god, I'll never get over that pick with Rosen on the board.

Rosen has the same arm strength and substantially more accuracy.  To me accuracy is everything and Josh doesn't have it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

 

We also win if Bills run game delivers like last week and Ivory converts on 3rd and 2.  Peterman may not even have had to take the field again! 

What about those special teams? They were special all right...

 

And did they save McCoy for the trade? We didn't see him enough of him, not at all

Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

He had 80 yards.

He has 700 yards in 5 games.

Yesterday was actually worse than his average (somehow), but you know you seem to think yesterday was great. 

 

Stop with the dumb overreactions.  Everybody pulls this nonsense.

 

i did not say yesterday was great.  I have said he has a ways to go, as do all rookie QBs.  What I did say is that if you watch the Packers game vs. yesterday he has shown improvement, and that if you watch them objectively there is no way to argue otherwise.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Stop with the dumb overreactions.  Everybody pulls this nonsense.

 

i did not say yesterday was great.  I have said he has a ways to go, as do all rookie QBs.  What I did say is that if you watch the Packers game vs. yesterday he has shown improvement, and that if you watch them objectively there is no way to argue otherwise.

But there is. It seems like you are being the non-objective one who is not open to any criticism of josh Allen.

 

The only touchdown of the game came from Nate F)*& Peterman. 

Allen cant get out of his own way at times. 

He is still doing the same things he did week 2. HE is not trusting his pocket, his is trying to escape where there is no need too. He feels non-existent pressure it seems.

I don't know if any of that stuff can be corrected. 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

But there is. It seems like you are being the non-objective one who is not open to any criticism of josh Allen.

 

The only touchdown of the game came from Nate F)*& Peterman. 

Allen cant get out of his own way at times. 

He is still doing the same things he did week 2. HE is not trusting his pocket, his is trying to escape where there is no need too. He feels non-existent pressure it seems.

I don't know if any of that stuff can be corrected. 

 

 

Would you stop with the hyperbolic nonsense?

 

After the Pack game I said he stunk.  And based on yesterday what have I said?  That he still has a long way to go.  and you sit here and say I am not open to any criticism of him?  Give me a break.

 

Again, I knew the outcome of the game before I watched it yesterday.  So I was  watching Allen specifically to see how he did.  First pass, terrible to Clay.  After that, I don't recall a pass that was way off the mark.  I think the one to Benjamin when double covered deep was more of a throwaway.  He went through progressions a bit faster.  he was accurate with a number of throws when he was set in the pocket and delivered. 

 

Does he still need to develop?  Hell yes.  A lot?  Hell yes.   But, again. if you watch the Pack game and then watch yesterday's game it is clear to anyone who wants to actually take an objective view that he is doing better.  Not great by any means.  Not even good yet.  But better.  And hopefully with time  he continues that trend.

 

News flash:  I wanted Watson last year.  He did not look good at all yesterday either.   Wanted Rosen this year.  And he is having his ups and downs.  Mayfield had a really tough day yesterday.  Young QBs go through this.  Why can people not get it through their heads?

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Success said:

I feel like the fan base is split between those who were ready for a project rookie to have a rough few outings at the start, and those who need to see HOF type play within 5 games.

 

And those who tell us that HOF players had rough starts, guaranteeing Allen is Hall of Fame material

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, row_33 said:

 

And those who tell us that HOF players had rough starts, guaranteeing Allen is Hall of Fame material

 

 

I haven’t seen one poster guarantee that, it even that he’ll defintely be good.  Just that it’s too early to tell either way.

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, billsherd said:

Are there any good QBs coming out next year in case we are picking high enough? 

 

The upcoming QB class looks pretty terrible.

 

Looks like a bunch of 2nd/3rd round type guys with minimal upside. 

 

2020 and 2021 should be absolutely loaded. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Success said:

I haven’t seen one poster guarantee that, it even that he’ll defintely be good.  Just that it’s too early to tell either way.

 

I see them tell me every Hall of famer had a rough start daily on here, they have bats in the belfry to tell me this guy has any right to Hall of Famer comparison

 

should be horewhipped for speaking the name of Brady and Allen in a post

 

Edited by row_33
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

This is when he looked good.  Not much beyond this play.

 

he also made a great throw to KB the drive before that got called back. I personally think he was finally settling in a bit more and was getting confident in ripping some balls down the field.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...