Draft another qb next year

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Until you KNOW you have your guy....

 

They will give Josh more time, but (while he’s ours and I love him) he looks like what I expected. 

Which is why he should get all the time to grow as our quarterback.

 

Drafting a quarterback in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round next year is a waste of time.

 

We need to build our team around Allen.

 

Unless we decide to draft someone to replace Peterman, I say forget it.

[Guest Mike147]

14 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Which is why he should get all the time to grow as our quarterback.

 

Drafting a quarterback in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round next year is a waste of time.

 

We need to build our team around Allen.

 

Unless we decide to draft someone to replace Peterman, I say forget it.

 

Which is why the team needs to draft, sign or acquire someone to push him. Force him to put in the work and improve and earn his place as the guy. If we don't and continue to have players like Peterman backing him up, then there's no competion and we are relying on him to have the work ethic to work hard and improve without that competition. Sometimes having that competition pushes a player far more than having no one to push them.

 

The other reason to have a legitimate alternative is in case he keeps making the same mistakes and/or doesn't improve. That way we can make a change and not have to force a square peg into a round hole because we have no legitimate alternative like this season. 

 

Another reason to draft someone is if we hit on a prospect that develops to a level that they become a draft asset, we can always sell them for a profit like the Patriots did with Cassel, Brisset and Garoppolo. That way we get a prospect as insurance and to bring us future assets.

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, Mike147 said:

 

Which is why the team needs to draft, sign or acquire someone to push him. Force him to put in the work and improve and earn his place as the guy. If we don't and continue to have players like Peterman backing him up, then there's no competion and we are relying on him to have the work ethic to work hard and improve without that competition. Sometimes having that competition pushes a player far more than having no one to push them.

 

The other reason to have a legitimate alternative is in case he keeps making the same mistakes and/or doesn't improve. That way we can make a change and not have to force a square peg into a round hole because we have no legitimate alternative like this season. 

 

Another reason to draft someone is if we hit on a prospect that develops to a level that they become a draft asset, we can always sell them for a profit like the Patriots did with Cassel, Brisset and Garoppolo. That way we get a prospect as insurance and to bring us future assets.

We don't have that kind of luxury.

 

If you want to sign a veteran quarterback during free agency, fine.

 

We have our quarterback of the future, and we have to build around him.

 

We need receivers and offensive linemen and more defensive depth.

[jrober38]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

We don't have that kind of luxury.

 

If you want to sign a veteran quarterback during free agency, fine.

 

We have our quarterback of the future, and we have to build around him.

 

We need receivers and offensive linemen and more defensive depth.

 

Luxury?

 

Our biggest hole by an enormous margin is QB.

 

If we had a decent QB we'd have a really good team.

 

Unfortunately we have the worst QB situation in the NFL.

[Steptide]

I honestly think Allen was not there first choice, but was the best choice for them. Personally I think they wanted Darnold or even Mayfield. I think they took Allen over Rosen because of rosens injury history 

[Teddy KGB]

Nope 

[Augie]

34 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Which is why he should get all the time to grow as our quarterback.

 

Drafting a quarterback in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round next year is a waste of time.

 

We need to build our team around Allen.

 

Unless we decide to draft someone to replace Peterman, I say forget it.

 

He’s certainly not Eli. I get building around Josh, but if you’re picking at the top, never disregard a QB. 

[iinii]

3 hours ago, peterpan said:

Trade mCcoy for foles.  It makes too much sense.  If he walks as a fa we get a third round comp pick.  We can tag him for a few years if Allen does develop.  Sign him long term if he works out

This may have potential 

[Mark Vader]

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Luxury?

 

Our biggest hole by an enormous margin is QB.

 

If we had a decent QB we'd have a really good team.

 

Unfortunately we have the worst QB situation in the NFL.

So we do not need help at WR or O-Line? Neither of those positions are a priority?

[Guest Mike147]

20 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So we do not need help at WR or O-Line? Neither of those positions are a priority?

 

Of course they are, but this team should not ignore the possibility of drafting a QB high if they believe they are a can't miss prospect and Josh Allen continues to perform woefully, and even if they don't take anyone high they can always consider a day two or three prospect. We aren't going to use every pick on a receiver or oline, so if someone falls pick them up. 

 

Obviously Allen was taken to be our QB of the future, but so was Jimmy Clausen when the Panthers picked him. They gave up on him after one year when they were presented with the opportunity to draft Cam Newton presented itself. Other teams have given up on players before. So we'd be naive to think our front office wouldn't do the same if they felt someone better was available that could upgrade that position and make us more competitive.

[RiotAct]

Sure, in Round 3+.

[Big Gun]

5 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

I'm the leader of the "Draft another QB" club, but your proposal is fine with me.

 

The cries for a new QB will only grow in number and intensity as the season unfolds.

 

 

Doubt it

[Best Player Available]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Luxury?

 

Our biggest hole by an enormous margin is QB.

 

If we had a decent QB we'd have a really good team.

 

Unfortunately we have the worst QB situation in the NFL.

Do you actually watch football games? 

[The 9 Isles]

6 hours ago, COTC said:

Should’ve took Rosen...

 

Should have taken Mahomes. Kept some players and draft picks. This team is so stupid. 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Best Player Available said:

Do you actually watch football games? 

 

Yes. 

 

We have the worst starting QB in the league.

 

This team is going nowhere unless that changes. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

4 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

You can draft a backup project at round 3, dump Peterman, get a vet and hope knowing Josh is not the only Quarterback on the team that isn't an automatic loss might light further fire from him.

 

Being a quarterback on a team that could be punting games and knowing Peterman is the only competition doesn't lead to the best competitive intangible development.

That’s a good point but people thinking the bills are gonna pick another top 10 qb are delusional. 

4 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Drafting another QB does not have to amount to "bailing" on Josh Allen.

 

You are analyzing the situation in a very simplistic way and relying on what football teams have tended to do in the past, none of which is relevant to what the Bills could or should do in 2019.

 

 

That would be the definition of bailing on Allen lol. So then what you are gonna just let Allen sit on the bench after losing all those assests? This is the real world and this doesn’t happen budddy. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Rocbillsfan1

[bills11]

even if ja was the worst qb ever..mcbeane will never draft another qb while they are here they have shown nothing but sheer arrogance with their decision making..ie sticking with peterman and not even looking at any of the qbs that year watson mahomes

[Big Turk]

We should take one in the mid rounds...one who doesn't panic when he gets in games.

[Mister Defense]

Come on!

 

Alllen is one ultra bad sub away from being 3-2, against playoff bound teams.  He is leading the team to wins, making plays, and learning on the run.

 

Yup, not a pretty offense today.  But Allen didn't make the big error, gave the Bills a chance;  Bills should have won.

 

No one thought this team was going to be good this year.  They are, and Allen is clearly an important part of that.

 

The Bills just need to find their legs on offense.

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Luxury?

 

Our biggest hole by an enormous margin is QB.

 

If we had a decent QB we'd have a really good team.

 

Unfortunately we have the worst QB situation in the NFL.

We have the worst WR situation in the league. Maybe in NFL history.  This is far bigger problem than QB

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

We have the worst WR situation in the league. Maybe in NFL history.  This is far bigger problem than QB

 

WR can be upgraded in free agency.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

WR can be upgraded in free agency.

So now we are talking about next year?  You know raw rookie QB can also improve by next year as well right?

 

[Boatdrinks]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

Probably 80% of us were expecting Rosen’s name to be announced on that draft night 

Personally , I was in a downtown BUF establishment. I’ll admit I facepalmed when Roger said “ Allen l. Place was very crowded, general reaction was shock. I’m still not even close to sure I was wrong. 

[Rob's House]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

This feels like the EJ Manuel situation all over again. 

 

The Bills brought in no plan B for EJ's 2nd year. He was so bad in preseason they had to bring Kyle Orton out of retirement. That team went 9-7.

 

The Bills would be wise to bring in someone like Orton as soon as free agency starts. If Allen stinks in preseason again, you go to the vet immediately and try to ride a great defense to the post season.

I was thinking the same thing. Admittedly, the whole discussion is a bit premature wrt Allen, but at the end of EJ's rookie year anyone with eyes knew that he was too awkward to become a franchise guy.

 

Allen definitely looks smoother, and is playing with an inferior supporting cast, but by year's end they should have a pretty good idea of what they have in him. 

 

If the outlook is grim, I'd hate to pass on the next Derek Carr because of a commitment to the sunk cost in the next EJ.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

So now we are talking about next year?  You know raw rookie QB can also improve by next year as well right?

 

 

Yup. That would be great.

 

He also might not improve. Might as well hedge our bets if we get the opportunity to draft another good QB. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Yup. That would be great.

 

He also might not improve. Might as well hedge our bets if we get the opportunity to draft another good QB. 

Just tell me who that good qb is

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, Mike147 said:

 

Of course they are, but this team should not ignore the possibility of drafting a QB high if they believe they are a can't miss prospect and Josh Allen continues to perform woefully, and even if they don't take anyone high they can always consider a day two or three prospect. We aren't going to use every pick on a receiver or oline, so if someone falls pick them up. 

 

Obviously Allen was taken to be our QB of the future, but so was Jimmy Clausen when the Panthers picked him. They gave up on him after one year when they were presented with the opportunity to draft Cam Newton presented itself. Other teams have given up on players before. So we'd be naive to think our front office wouldn't do the same if they felt someone better was available that could upgrade that position and make us more competitive.

First of all, I tend to wonder how seriously the Panthers saw Clausen as being the future of the franchise.

 

The Bills clearly see Allen as the future and he deserves to be given as much time as he can, to  be the future.

 

Drafting another quarterback with a high pick would be a waste of time and resources.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, bills11 said:

even if ja was the worst qb ever..mcbeane will never draft another qb while they are here they have shown nothing but sheer arrogance with their decision making..ie sticking with peterman and not even looking at any of the qbs that year watson mahomes

 

Watson isn’t as good as people here think he is. 

[JM57]

13 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Allen was fvcking great today.  You are so clueless.  Get him some weapons and we are going to be fine. 

 

[AllenWillBust]

14 hours ago, COTC said:

Should’ve took Rosen...

 

Yeeaaauuuup

[Teddy KGB]

5 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Yeeaaauuuup

 

Rosen’s 0 Td’s yesterday would have helped us win all the games ??‍♂️??‍♂️

[entropyrules]

I believe Allen is simply Losman ver. 2.0. Having said that I would use all that draft capital (including some trades of vets this year for extra picks in 2020 not 2019-we'll probably get one round better due to the delayed year) to bolster the the O and D lines and pick up a WR or two. I am probably a fossil but I think a team still wins in the trenches and I'd rather build those two units up and wait and see if Allen is as bad as I believe or as good as others hope. If  Allen busts, the team will probably be picking somewhere in the top ten in 2020/2021 and hopefully there will be several QB candidates available to draft (then mortgage your draft capital ala Wentz to get that guy). If he doesn't bust then you have a playoff caliber team with tons of draft pieces left to fill whatever holes are gaping.

[Elite Poster]

14 hours ago, Klaista2k said:

None worth taking next year.

 

 

 

 

 

What all you guys said about Mahomes last year. 

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Rosen’s 0 Td’s yesterday would have helped us win all the games ??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

The 240 yards probably would have...

Edited October 15, 2018 by Elite Poster

[Teddy KGB]

14 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

 

The 240 yards probably would have...

 

 

So 7 field goals huh ??‍♂️????

15 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

What all you guys said about Mahomes last year. 

 

Use the search function before telling stories. 

 

Lots of guys here wanted mahomes/Watson/trubisky 

[Big Gun]

8 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Come on!

 

Alllen is one ultra bad sub away from being 3-2, against playoff bound teams.  He is leading the team to wins, making plays, and learning on the run.

 

Yup, not a pretty offense today.  But Allen didn't make the big error, gave the Bills a chance;  Bills should have won.

 

No one thought this team was going to be good this year.  They are, and Allen is clearly an important part of that.

 

The Bills just need to find their legs on offense.

I think that is a key part of his development, he isn't making glaring mistakes, which I think is a good thing right now. The rest will come, but if he didn't have it there would be mistakes all over all the time and that isn't happening. 

[Gordio]

15 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

The problem is is that he's the same quarterback he was in college. He does the same things, has the same shortcomings and hasn't made any leap yet. His accuracy is awful. Just like it was in college. Okay so 5 games in, but you know what? Sit him. Let's find somebody who can at least move the chains while we wait for this guy to develop. 

 

 

I agree with this.  I am willing to give Allen a chance, it has been only 5 games, but....the thing that concerns me is that Allen is who I thought he was.   He was not very good in college.  Look at his stats last year @ Wyoming.  The only game he threw for over 300 yards was against Gardner Webb.  I believe he threw for like 60 yards against Oregon & 94 yards against Hawaii, who had a horrible defense.  His completion % was in the mid 50s his two years a s a starter.  The accuracy and ball placement are just not there.  Coupled that with the fact that he doesn't really read defenses well & given the fact what the Bills traded up to get him & this is going to set the franchise back for years.  I just can't believe time & time again that the pro's that are paid to evaluate overlook production in college & accuracy in college & are mesmorized because the guy could throw it 90 yards in the air.  I hope this works out but I have serious doubts it will.  Watching Allen play, I don't know how anybody could not.  

[RPbillsfan]

1 hour ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Yeeaaauuuup

Do you seriously think Rosen would be better in this offense.

 

Your delusional.

[Gordio]

13 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I suspect that's not what Allen needs.  His greatest need is probably a competent line and receivers - right now, running for his life, he has no chance to correct his bad habits and is developing new ones.  He not only has no chance to develop, he's in a situation where he's likely as not regressing.

 

Of all the criticism McDermott and Beane get, the one that they get lest but deserve most is the blinding idiocy of trading Taylor and McCarron, and deciding that Peterman and Allen alone were sufficient enough at the position.  That was a !@#$ING stupid decision.  In the handbook of "How to Develop a Quarterback," that's the chapter "Of All The Possible Things You Can Do, DO NOT EVER Make This Roster Move."

 

 

 

 

He is not running for his life though.  He has had time, he had time against Tenn, he had time yesterday imo.  Now I am not sure if no one is open, but the line has not been as bad as everybody says it is.  

[Kirby Jackson]

Allen wasn’t my guy but he certainly is going to get time. He was an incredibly raw rookie from Wyoming. For those of you that expected him to come out and dominate, you are idiots. That was never going to happen. We are 6 weeks into his career. The Bills aren’t taking another guy early next year. If you are trying to convince yourself that may be a possibility, don’t bother. He’s the guy through at least next year and we will see what happens. Get him some weapons and hope he develops.

[Big Gun]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Allen wasn’t my guy but he certainly is going to get time. He was an incredibly raw rookie from Wyoming. For those of you that expected him to come out and dominate, you are idiots. That was never going to happen. We are 6 weeks into his career. The Bills aren’t taking another guy early next year. If you are trying to convince yourself that may be a possibility, don’t bother. He’s the guy through at least next year and we will see what happens. Get him some weapons and hope he develops.

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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
	22		qb		7	7		112	205	54.6	1089	5	2.4	7	3.4	66	5.3	4.3	9.7	155.6	63.6	18.9	26	222	3.75	2.82	11.3			-2

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
	23		QB		12	12		196	330	59.4	2193	7	2.1	7	2.1	70	6.6	6.1	11.2	182.8	77.5		31	196	5.53	5.05	8.6			7

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
	22		qb		7	6		126	204	61.8	1699	19	9.3	8	3.9	72	8.3	8.4	13.5	242.7	103.0	83.6	19	116	7.10	7.19	8.5			7

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
	22		QB		6	5		75	139	54.0	832	2	1.4	5	3.6	57	6.0	4.7	11.1	138.7	61.8	28.9	21	167	4.16	3.00	13.1

 

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	21		QB		6	6		107	179	59.8	1346	9	5.0	7	3.9	76	7.5	6.8	12.6	224.3	83.7	45.4	13	85	6.57	5.86	6.8

 

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	23		QB		4	3		85	153	55.6	1076	4	2.6	5	3.3	59	7.0	6.1	12.7	269.0	72.8	46.6	13	86	5.96	5.09	7.8

 

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	21		QB		4	3		50	90	55.6	626	2	2.2	2	2.2	75	7.0	6.4	12.5	156.5	75.5	49.7	7	54	5.90	5.38	7.2

 

 

Without looking up who these guys are they are all in the same boat except one guy who did phenomenal as a rookie. They all need or needed more time including our guy if you can even pick out which one he is without doing some research. Without a doubt our guy has the absolute least to work with, that's not even debatable. To not afford him time to learn and grow is ludicrous.