Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Can Foster punt? He has been in a pretty big game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, wppete said: The OP should be cut. Crazy thread. I feel dumb. Not for reading this thread, but for wasting so much time on a long post in it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If you have watched the games every week you would bot be calling for this kids head. That blunder last week can not happen more than once or twice a season sure but the kid is a rookie. He has noticeably gotten better every week and given us a chance to pin teams inside their own ten a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The bigger question was the poor tackling from the other ten players covering both punts and kickoffs. They need to clean it up. I’m hoping they work on it this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I assume this is troll job or someone looking for attention but here's a reply: The two long punt returns were due to poor tackling not because the runners had a clear lane. The first game muff is excusable and had little/no bearing on the outcome and the muffed FG is a rookie mistake. IMO, he will be a long-time, better than average punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/special-teams-film-study-nfl/2016/09/16/punting-statistics-can-lie/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Can Foster punt? He has been in a pretty big game! ...wouldn't he have to catch the snap FIRST??....just askin'.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 13 hours ago, vorpma said: Where do they come from; my god this is F****** stupid! They're like a pandemic........they just keep coming despite the best wishes of the normal people around here. It's pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Screw it cut Allen too he sucks he hasn't shown much to this point either all them rookies suck just get rid of them all & lets get a team full of FA veteran players thats the only way we will go to the big game !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 hours ago, The Process said: What defines falling for a troll job? Reading the post then quoting or replying? Or is it taking the post seriously and entering a debate Hook line and sinker? Imo, the latter...obviously:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...wouldn't he have to catch the snap FIRST??....just askin'.................. Excellent question! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 He’s been great - one bad play. It’s awesome to finally have a guy who can boom it over 50 fairly often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Didn't we sign that punter from Seattle John Ryan? Whatever happened to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 23 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: It bothered me when the announcers said Bojorquez has the most punts inside the 20 and is doing a great job yesterday. My personal opinion is that he has been pretty bad so far this season. Bojorquez is a little below average in terms of yards on punts (18th) and is perfectly average on net yards per punt (16th). After week 5 he has the 2nd most punts inside the 20. How could a punter with stats like that be bad? Simply put: hang-time, turnovers, and the Bills dreadful offense. He is dead last in hang time. That speaks for itself. A 48 yard punt with no hang time that gets returned 50 yards is not a good punt. We've given up 2 huge punt returns due to a lack of hang time that's resulted in FG's each time (Ravens and Titans game) He's also directly responsible for 2 turnovers. The fumble against the Ravens in week 1 in the rain has been mostly forgotten (the game was laughable by that point anyway). The "fake" FG yesterday is the dumbest thing I've seen a punter do in quite some time. He pulls up to throw the ball and quickly realizes that he's the only guy on the Bills that thought the call was for a fake and puts the ball back down to try and have Hauschka kick it (who cannot kick at this point as his timing is screwed). How does Bojorquez realize it's not a fake in <1 second and react that quickly to put the ball back down? I think he just completely panicked on that play. Lastly, the Bills dreadful offense. It's really easy to have a lot of punt yards when your offense is 31st in yards for (much longer field to work with). He has the 31 punt attempts (2nd most) in the league including 7 from the opponent's side of midfield. A punt from the opponents 47 yd line that goes out of bounds at the 19 is not a good punt, even it counts as an inside the 20. Found this little gem in a PFF article grading special team units through week 4: SPECIAL TEAMS RANK: 18 Special teams was a big reason they played above their metrics last year, and their regression there hasn’t helped much this season. New punter Corey Bojorquez has the lowest grade at his position group so far, accompanied by the lowest average hang time. He is a Punter. Want a Solution. PLAY BETTER OFFENSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Didn't we sign that punter from Seattle John Ryan? Whatever happened to that? Same thing that happened to Coleman, the WR they traded for from the Browns. They gave him 1 or 2 games then dropped him for someone else. I dont remember hearing about him signing anywhere else though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Same thing that happened to Coleman, the WR they traded for from the Browns. They gave him 1 or 2 games then dropped him for someone else. I dont remember hearing about him signing anywhere else though... He got signed by the Pats. Eventually released. Then signed to the Pats PS. Then eventually released. Then he either worked out for or got signed to another PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Apparently we worked out Brad Nortman and Drew Kaser...so maybe they are looking to upgrade or light a fire. Or maybe his shoulder is screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 12:45 PM, dneveu said: He's a rookie. And Schmidt was one of the worst punters in the league. Sub 40 net average. Watch his punts against Seattle on MNF, legit cost us the game. It is possible for players to improve over time. Kid never got to punt in preseason and is still figuring out his coverage team here. Rex's last year - when that Seattle game was - was Schmidt's worst season. And he was still better than this clown. 12 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Didn't we sign that punter from Seattle John Ryan? Whatever happened to that? His leg dropped off a year ago. I said when he was signed "no leg left" and his pre-season showing confirmed it. 13 hours ago, Success said: He’s been great - one bad play. It’s awesome to finally have a guy who can boom it over 50 fairly often. He line drives it though. Give me a guy who kicks it 40 and hangs it every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Didn't we sign that punter from Seattle John Ryan? Whatever happened to that? ...he was cut.....another guy assigned a FIFTEEN MINUTE PARKING spot in the employee lot.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 7:52 PM, Clyde Smith said: ...And replace him with who? Paul McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: Paul McGuire Ok dude, that was used already, come again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: Ok dude, that was used already, come again. Sorry I didn't read through the 5 pages of drivel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: Sorry I didn't read through the 5 pages of drivel All good, just busting your balls Bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Clyde Smith said: All good, just busting your balls Bro. LOL...no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Rex's last year - when that Seattle game was - was Schmidt's worst season. And he was still better than this clown. His leg dropped off a year ago. I said when he was signed "no leg left" and his pre-season showing confirmed it. He line drives it though. Give me a guy who kicks it 40 and hangs it every single time. He's been with the team 5 weeks, is a rookie, and for the most part has been fine. He averaged 47.3 per punt in his last year of college, so the kid may actually have a pretty bomb leg. I imagine it takes time to meld with your coverage team, and coach. We're starting a rookie QB who is raw, and we aren't exactly lighting the world on fire. Why not try and see if we can find someone with potential to be great at punter - vs. keeping who we had that was mediocre to poor. Edited October 10, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, dneveu said: He's been with the team 5 weeks, is a rookie, and for the most part has been fine. He averaged 47.3 per punt in his last year of college, so the kid may actually have a pretty bomb leg. I imagine it takes time to meld with your coverage team, and coach. We're starting a rookie QB who is raw, and we aren't exactly lighting the world on fire. Why not try and see if we can find someone with potential to be great at punter - vs. keeping who we had that was mediocre to poor. I would say you are focusing far too much on the leg. Yes this kid has a big leg... but it is like having a QB with a big arm and none of the other requisite skills (I am talking in general not about Josh before anyone flames away). It is worthless. He is a big reason we keep giving up big returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I would say you are focusing far too much on the leg. Yes this kid has a big leg... but it is like having a QB with a big arm and none of the other requisite skills (I am talking in general not about Josh before anyone flames away). It is worthless. He is a big reason we keep giving up big returns. Right - but like... we're a team developing talent. He has more raw ability than schmidt or ryan - the potential to be good/great some day. Adding a new punter at this juncture isnt the difference between playoffs and non-playoffs. So why not see if we can develop that potential? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, dneveu said: Right - but like... we're a team developing talent. He has more raw ability than schmidt or ryan - the potential to be good/great some day. Adding a new punter at this juncture isnt the difference between playoffs and non-playoffs. So why not see if we can develop that potential? I take that point. I just don't see the potential in this. I just see a guy who can kick it miles. That isn't potential to me it is just a big leg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I take that point. I just don't see the potential in this. I just see a guy who can kick it miles. That isn't potential to me it is just a big leg. Yeah - i see what you're saying. Hopefully they can tap into something and he can improve into a more well rounded punter. Schmidt was really good with the coffin corners, and he would get the bounce back on his short punts. However, Schmidts bad days were really really bad. In college it seems like you always line up straight behind the center and just kick the crap out of it. He needs to better learn how to use where he's standing to trick the returner - how to create some different spin on the ball to make it trickier to return - in addition to better directional kicks and hangtime. Edited October 10, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 6:51 PM, JXCOL3 said: We should cut everybody and start over. Get it done Beane Agreed. How about we cut everybody, move the team to Toronto, and just start fresh with a new Bills franchise in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 5:06 AM, BuffaloSol said: That blunder last week can not happen more than once or twice a season sure but the kid is a rookie. You think that blunder can happen twice in a season...because he's a rookie? Have you ever seen a holder just randomly stand up then immediately try to place the ball before? 17 hours ago, Success said: He’s been great - one bad play. It’s awesome to finally have a guy who can boom it over 50 fairly often. It's actually been two horrible plays in 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I would say you are focusing far too much on the leg. Yes this kid has a big leg... but it is like having a QB with a big arm and none of the other requisite skills (I am talking in general not about Josh before anyone flames away). It is worthless. He is a big reason we keep giving up big returns. That long return last week was 90% blown tackle (I think Deon Lacey). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Agreed. How about we cut everybody, move the team to Toronto, and just start fresh with a new Bills franchise in a few years. No one is suggesting that, stop being ridiculous. Our punter is making insane mistakes, this is a very appropriate discussion. Thankfully the team brought in two punters to workout so they're acknowledging the issue and looking into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 He's no Zoltan Mesko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: Ok dude, that was used already, come again. ...Reggie Roby............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, dneveu said: Right - but like... we're a team developing talent. He has more raw ability than schmidt or ryan - the potential to be good/great some day. Adding a new punter at this juncture isnt the difference between playoffs and non-playoffs. So why not see if we can develop that potential? In a league where punters are being changed frequently, I don’t see the point in keeping someone who isn’t good just for the sake of hoping you can develop him. Put him on the practice squad if that’s what you want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: In a league where punters are being changed frequently, I don’t see the point in keeping someone who isn’t good just for the sake of hoping you can develop him. Put him on the practice squad if that’s what you want to do. I don't really think that hes been this bad that we would have to do this. JMO I also don't claim to know much about the intricate layers of punting and punt coverage. He's had a couple bad returns against him in 5 weeks, and I'm sure he has something to do with it. I just don't really know if that's all on him, nor does PFF for that matter - there were quite a few missed tackles on the titans one... In any case - I'd like to see more fair catches, and more directional kicking. But why all the hate on a rookie punter? It's not like bringing in marquette king is going to get us to the super bowl. If any thing it costs TP like 2 million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Bojangles is gone when Sterling Hofrichter turns pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Bojangles is gone when Sterling Hofrichter turns pro. She was great in Young Frankenstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 hours ago, fridge said: You think that blunder can happen twice in a season...because he's a rookie? Have you ever seen a holder just randomly stand up then immediately try to place the ball before? It's actually been two horrible plays in 5 games. At least I've had a few people agree with me in this thread. I concur that the 2 blunders vastly outweigh the average yardage stats. I'm more concerned with what happened on that 'fake FG' than if he had just fumbled it or fully committed to the fake and threw an incompletion. The way he reacted I think he went into the play with the mindset that it's probably a fake, but he's not entirely sure, so if no one runs a route he's going to place the ball back down for Hauschka to kick it. The indecision baffles me. If he truly thought it was a fake why would he try to place the ball again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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