Someone needs to be fired over Mahomes right now.

[Scott7975]

Well kudos to the people that said the kid was special.  I don't watch college football so I don't get involved in those conversations.  The kid certainly looks to have it.  Yes he has a great supporting cast and coach.  That shouldn't be a knock.  He is way beyond getting the job done and so young.  I don't think he would do anywhere near as well here but you can certainly see the talent and smarts that he does have.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

This post is exactly why you get mocked mercilessly

 

You continue to act like you had some groundbreaking take that everyone dissed, when in fact it was your personality that caught you the flack.

 

There were so many Mahomes threads that the mods had to merge them into a thread that was called "The only Mahomes thread you need", but yeah, your thinking was revolutionary

 

But keep on with that you-against-the-world facade, because it sure beats your iambic pentameter posts of yore for pure entertainment value 

 

 

Yeah there was a lot of Mahomes love on the board.

 

Anyone pretending there was not has a truly selective memory.

 

As a person who would take a QB with my first pick every year I'd die many deaths on draft day(if I actually watched the event) but the Mahomes one really stung.

 

17 wants extra credit for entirely losing his mind over it.    

 

Generationally stupid mistakes happen at least once every regime with the Bills.........this one is just more poignant because they traded the pick.    They've been passing over guys like Brett Favre and Drew Brees and Tom Brady and Russell Wilson on draft day for decades now.     

 

[Fadingpain]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah there was a lot of Mahomes love on the board.

 

Anyone pretending there was not has a truly selective memory.

 

As a person who would take a QB with my first pick every year I'd die many deaths on draft day(if I actually watched the event) but the Mahomes one really stung.

 

17 wants extra credit for entirely losing his mind over it.    

 

Generationally stupid mistakes happen at least once every regime with the Bills.........this one is just more poignant because they traded the pick.    They've been passing over guys like Brett Favre and Drew Brees and Tom Brady and Russell Wilson on draft day for decades now.     

 

Thank you!

 

The Bills have drafted very few QBs over the years and their record reflects that.

 

We should be drafting 1 "good" QB and 1 "project" QB every freaking year until one sticks.  Then you have the luxury of being a bit more selective in the next several years, but should still be looking/drafting as you never know when injury will occur, it's nice to have a good backup, etc.

 

I know some would suggest you can't afford to "throw away" a draft pick every year on the QB position, but the Bills throw away draft picks routinely anyway through poor drafting or poor player retention.  We don't have a ton of home drafted talent on the team right now.  Many of our recent top picks are gone, with nothing to show for their time here.

 

If you are going to throw away picks anyway, at least do it the right way, in the form of taking a swing with every potentially good QB prospect you can get.  

 

This team will NOT take a QB in the upcoming draft, even though we will have a high draft slot.  We will take some run plugging DT or something, to replace the one we already had and gave away for free...and the impact on our W/L record will be close to zero.

 

And on it goes.

 

 

 

 

[K-9]

5 hours ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Your wrong people did not like my take on why I thought he would be good for the Bills. They say prove to us why he’s going to be good. They would say no good QB has ever came out of that Conference. I kept posting and showing different highlights from his college games and stats and their response was he plays in a college football league that does not play defense. Don’t get on me for defending mahomes and being so stead fast on why the Bills should draft him. At least I showed passion for him and had 1000 percent conviction for him. I stuck my neck out and was not shy about doing it. Just like Jeffsmagic did. So don’t blame me for people having problems with how vocal I was about drafting the kid. Your problem is you did not like the way I went about it. I could give 2 flying Fuks that you did not like my posts or my passion about Mahomes. I put myself out there and laid it on the line for mahomes. If your feelings got hurt over it,  Oh well to bad. I will say what I want about the subject, and oh by the way, me and Jeffsmagic were million percent right about Mahomes. It feels good to be vindicated. So keep on posting about how your hurt feelings are. No one cares. 

 

No one cares? You keep going on like a jilted prom date about the injustice of it all. Week after week. Post after post. This incessant craving for validation is pitiful. What, is every forum member supposed to send you an apology? Grow the F up and shut up about how prescient you were about Mahomes. Several others here were as well, and well before you went on the record to boot. Are they all carrying on like two year olds that have been wronged? Are they crusading for the “I told you so” award? No, because their self esteem isn’t tied to some ridiculous search for validation in an anonymous internet football forum. They just aren’t that pathetic. 

 

And as for vindication, if anything, those that found your posting style obnoxious when it came to crusading for Mahomes have been proven correct.

[SDS]

9 hours ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Your wrong people did not like my take on why I thought he would be good for the Bills. They say prove to us why he’s going to be good. They would say no good QB has ever came out of that Conference. I kept posting and showing different highlights from his college games and stats and their response was he plays in a college football league that does not play defense. Don’t get on me for defending mahomes and being so stead fast on why the Bills should draft him. At least I showed passion for him and had 1000 percent conviction for him. I stuck my neck out and was not shy about doing it. Just like Jeffsmagic did. So don’t blame me for people having problems with how vocal I was about drafting the kid. Your problem is you did not like the way I went about it. I could give 2 flying Fuks that you did not like my posts or my passion about Mahomes. I put myself out there and laid it on the line for mahomes. If your feelings got hurt over it,  Oh well to bad. I will say what I want about the subject, and oh by the way, me and Jeffsmagic were million percent right about Mahomes. It feels good to be vindicated. So keep on posting about how your hurt feelings are. No one cares. 

 

 

Actually, I care about the way you post. Regardless if you are right or wrong, when you are overly obnoxious you drive people away. That ends up cutting your own time short. 

[Prickly Pete]

3 hours ago, SDS said:

 

Actually, I care about the way you post. Regardless if you are right or wrong, when you are overly obnoxious you drive people away. That ends up cutting your own time short. 

 Haha.

He is right, and it bothers you.

 

It's a ***** message board, and it's all about bragging rights. These guys have earned the right by sticking their necks out, and opening themselves up to ridicule.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 Haha.

He is right, and it bothers you.

 

It's a ***** message board, and it's all about bragging rights. These guys have earned the right by sticking their necks out, and opening themselves up to ridicule.

 

Bye OJ Tom. Was not even nice knowing ya. 

[Prickly Pete]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Bye OJ Tom. Was not even nice knowing ya. 

 Hahaha!

 

Pick up your participation trophy on the way out...

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2018 by OJ Tom

[thebandit27]

4 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 Hahaha!

 

Pick up your participation trophy on the way out...

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure that Gunner was telling you that it would be wise to pay attention to who you choose to sass

[george c]

Tonight’s performance really shows the lack of Qb evaluation talent here in Buffalo....while Peterman still has a locker at OBD. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Let's set aside all the comments about how Mahomes has a great offensive minded coach, incredible weapons on offense, etc.

Here's what we know for sure right now:

1. Mahomes is a very significant upgrade over Alex Smith.

2. Alex Smith, had he been on the Bills, would have been by far the best QB we had since Kelly.

So ... yes. I think this one will haunt us forever. Even if Josh Allen turns out better than Brad Daughtry did.

[LFC24]

I love this thread

 

hope it sticks around until the super bowl. 

[DJB]

Honestly this is more about Andy Reid a competent play caller than it is about Mahomes. If you flip flopped Allen and Mahomes my guess is there would be similar results. 

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Let's set aside all the comments about how Mahomes has a great offensive minded coach, incredible weapons on offense, etc.

Here's what we know for sure right now:

1. Mahomes is a very significant upgrade over Alex Smith.

2. Alex Smith, had he been on the Bills, would have been by far the best QB we had since Kelly.

So ... yes. I think this one will haunt us forever. Even if Josh Allen turns out better than Brad Daughtry did.

 

The Bills general manager wasn’t even in place for the 2017 draft. Who knows what they would have done if the situation was settled in January instead of May.

[Ol Dirty B]

On 10/18/2018 at 12:55 AM, SDS said:

 

Actually, I care about the way you post. Regardless if you are right or wrong, when you are overly obnoxious you drive people away. That ends up cutting your own time short. 

 

So eh... this is awkward. I rarely see you respond to posts, you quoted me earlier today... lol, I'm sure some people would love it, am I cutting my own time short also?

 

Completely honest question

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, SDS said:

 

The Bills general manager wasn’t even in place for the 2017 draft. Who knows what they would have done if the situation was settled in January instead of May.

Well, that's the "someone did need to be fired, and he was ... his name was Doug Whaley" justification.

It is better than the "but Mahomes has a better coach/more offensive weapons around him" justification, I'll grant you that.

And way better than the pure denialist's "but Allen will be better in the long run."

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, DJB said:

Honestly this is more about Andy Reid a competent play caller than it is about Mahomes. If you flip flopped Allen and Mahomes my guess is there would be similar results. 

Wow... I just don’t see it. Mahomes has skills Allen can’t  even scratch the surface of, and I don’t think those are courtesy of Andy Reid. The Bills offense would be better with Mahomes, but hardly the juggernaut the Chiefs have at the moment. The Chiefs with Allen? I think they might be decent but not a juggernaut by any stretch . Maybe not even what they were with Smith. There’s a huge difference imo. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[Ol Dirty B]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Let's set aside all the comments about how Mahomes has a great offensive minded coach, incredible weapons on offense, etc.

Here's what we know for sure right now:

1. Mahomes is a very significant upgrade over Alex Smith.

2. Alex Smith, had he been on the Bills, would have been by far the best QB we had since Kelly.

So ... yes. I think this one will haunt us forever. Even if Josh Allen turns out better than Brad Daughtry did.

 

Don't make me think these things. Alex Smith should forever be ridiculed as a crap QB

[DJB]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Wow... I just don’t see it. Mahomes has skills Allen can even scratch the surface of, and I don’t think those are courtesy of Andy Reid. The Bills offense would be better with Mahomes, but hardly the juggernaut the Chiefs have at the moment. The Chiefs with Allen? I think they might be decent but not a juggernaut by any stretch . Maybe not even what they were with Smith. There’s a huge difference imo. 

 

Scheme is huge just ask Goff who looked awful and then McVay comes in. 

 

Mahomes also has a year of development over Allen

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, DJB said:

 

Scheme is huge just ask Goff who looked awful and then McVay comes in. 

 

Mahomes also has a year of development over Allen

I’d still bet Allen is nowhere near as good a QB as Goff or Mahomes. With any scheme, or players. 

[Boca BIlls]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

 

Scheme is huge just ask Goff who looked awful and then McVay comes in. 

 

Mahomes also has a year of development over Allen

Playmakers are also, look who the rams signed in that off season.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Wow... I just don’t see it. Mahomes has skills Allen can even scratch the surface of, and I don’t think those are courtesy of Andy Reid. The Bills offense would be better with Mahomes, but hardly the juggernaut the Chiefs have at the moment. The Chiefs with Allen? I think they might be decent but not a juggernaut by any stretch . Maybe not even what they were with Smith. There’s a huge difference imo. 

 

I used to be more in line with the poster you quoted, the more I watch him, the more I agree with you. He's making adjustments at the line, can't tell you what they are, but they're working.

 

I don't see any of that out of Allen, nor much that leads me to believe he can.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, George C said:

Tonight’s performance really shows the lack of Qb evaluation talent here in Buffalo....while Peterman still has a locker at OBD. 

I love how its all the bills suckatude

 

It does not matter that

 

- He didnt play his first year

- He has offensive players that would pretty much start all the way across the board then ours on offense

- That we did in fact get a shut down corner out of the trade down and the 1st round pick...its not like we traded down and drafted a bust

 

How yet that several other teams must have ALSO got their 1st round picks wrong in that draft (I wonder if they feel that way)

 

But you know its the punch bowl piss fans woe is me

[HomeskillitMoorman]

8 minutes ago, DJB said:

Honestly this is more about Andy Reid a competent play caller than it is about Mahomes. If you flip flopped Allen and Mahomes my guess is there would be similar results. 

 

While coaching is a big deal...there is zero evidence of this. I'm not sure you've seen either Mahomes or Allen play much if you really think that. Mahomes makes some incredible throws from even the toughest angles. I'm really not even saying that so much as a knock on Allen rather than I think you're downplaying just how good Mahomes has been. 

 

I understand that KC has a lot of weapons...but Mahomes is legit. He pretty much has everything you'd want from a QB.  

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I’d still bet Allen is nowhere near as good a QB as Goff or Mahomes. With any scheme, or players. 

Good for you you might be right.....but I bet he would look much better then this tire fire

 

oh and

 

I bet Allen gets better as the years progress

[LSHMEAB]

If you still believe Mahomes is simply a "product of the system," and that he and Allen are interchangeable, you have willfully abandoned all reason and are clinging to an idea that you probably don't even fully believe yourself.

 

WE SCREWED UP! GET OVER IT!

[thunderingsquid]

Not a child of God.  Came out in the draft interviews.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I used to be more in line with the poster you quoted, the more I watch him, the more I agree with you. He's making adjustments at the line, can't tell you what they are, but they're working.

 

I don't see any of that out of Allen, nor much that leads me to believe he can.

He is a ROOKIE.......

 

Jesus

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

If you still believe Mahomes is simply a "product of the system," and that he and Allen are interchangeable, you have willfully abandoned all reason and are clinging to an idea that you probably don't even fully believe yourself.

 

WE SCREWED UP! GET OVER IT!

In your opinion.......

7 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Scheme is huge just ask Goff who looked awful and then McVay comes in. 

 

Mahomes also has a year of development over Allen

You can preach this till the cows come home......ppl will overlook it because Mahommes looks better then Allen right now

[17 Josh Allen]

Any questions Mahomes haters. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Any questions Mahomes haters. 

How many Mahommes haters do you think are actually here?

 

Get OVER YOURSELF

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I love how its all the bills suckatude

 

It does not matter that

 

- He didnt play his first year

- He has offensive players that would pretty much start all the way across the board then ours on offense

- That we did in fact get a shut down corner out of the trade down and the 1st round pick...its not like we traded down and drafted a bust

 

How yet that several other teams must have ALSO got their 1st round picks wrong in that draft (I wonder if they feel that way)

 

But you know its the punch bowl piss fans woe is me

Several of the teams that passed him up have a QB. Some have been to the playoffs or even a Super Bowl. They can probably live with their decision. We are Bills fans and only care about what the Bills did with their draft. They haven’t had a good NFL caliber QB in twenty years. So yes, it stings just a bit when the ineptitude of the organization permeates every move and clouds their future. 

[SDS]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Several of the teams that passed him up have a QB. Some have been to the playoffs or even a Super Bowl. They can probably live with their decision. We are Bills fans and only care about what the Bills did with their draft. They haven’t had a good NFL caliber QB in twenty years. So yes, it stings just a bit when the ineptitude of the organization permeates every move and clouds their future. 

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

How many Mahommes haters do you think are actually here?

 

Get OVER YOURSELF

This I can agree with. Making a proclamation on a message board about a draft prospect earns you nothing . It’s the equivalent of a fantasy team pick or picking the lottery numbers. If this guy had any clairvoyant powers, he’d either be a powerball millionaire or pulling in huge $$$ from an NFL team. He really needs to give it a rest. 

1 minute ago, SDS said:

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

Luck is where opportunity meets preparation. Should have hired a new GM first and let him pick the Coach. That’s the usual order of operations in the NFL. Bad timing because they made it so. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Several of the teams that passed him up have a QB. Some have been to the playoffs or even a Super Bowl. They can probably live with their decision. We are Bills fans and only care about what the Bills did with their draft. They haven’t had a good NFL caliber QB in twenty years. So yes, it stings just a bit when the ineptitude of the organization permeates every move and clouds their future. 

Like I said......its the bills so the sky is falling....and there were several teams that actually did need QBs that also passed on him.

 

I have no problem believing that despite the fact that he was brought along the right way and fell into a perfect situation.....I also think he would look flat aweful in our situation (starting Allen too early....no protection...no running game...no receivers......Deboll looks like a flop)

 

Anyone who thinks Mahommes would have come here, started immediately, and played with our offense would actually look good....they are fooling themselves.

[Lfod]

5 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

This is how I have felt about the situation. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Lfod

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

This I can agree with. Making a proclamation on a message board about a draft prospect earns you nothing . It’s the equivalent of a fantasy team pick or picking the lottery numbers. If this guy had any clairvoyant powers, he’d either be a powerball millionaire or pulling in huge $$$ from an NFL team. He really needs to give it a rest. 

Luck is where opportunity meets preparation. Should have hired a new GM first and let him pick the Coach. That’s the usual order of operations in the NFL. Bad timing because they made it so. 

You might be right as far as the order of hiring.....but that train has left the station.

 

Too much complaining about what has been done in the past instead of looking to what might be done for the future......

 

THis season is lost....but we probably will have a top 5 pick and 10 picks in that draft (so far) and 90 million in cap space.......we have punted for this season.....I look to next season.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said......its the bills so the sky is falling....and there were several teams that actually did need QBs that also passed on him.

 

I have no problem believing that despite the fact that he was brought along the right way and fell into a perfect situation.....I also think he would look flat aweful in our situation (starting Allen too early....no protection...no running game...no receivers......Deboll looks like a flop)

 

Anyone who thinks Mahommes would have come here, started immediately, and played with our offense would actually look good....they are fooling themselves.

I’m not sure many think that could have happened, but it’s pretty clear who the more talented prospect is. It’s also the entire picture of the mishandling of Allen though many pundits doubt he can be good. Taking a QB with a vet in place would seem the smarter move. They could have done this. Hiring a good QB coach and a top OC would give him a chance etc. they pretty much bungled the entire process, besides probably drafting the wrong player. It’s cumulative failure, not just a draft whiff. 

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said......its the bills so the sky is falling....and there were several teams that actually did need QBs that also passed on him.

 

I have no problem believing that despite the fact that he was brought along the right way and fell into a perfect situation.....I also think he would look flat aweful in our situation (starting Allen too early....no protection...no running game...no receivers......Deboll looks like a flop)

 

Anyone who thinks Mahommes would have come here, started immediately, and played with our offense would actually look good....they are fooling themselves.

The point is the trade itself. My view is that Andy Reid saw that he could roll a former novice of his who he knew was conservative, defense minded, and not a little naive (a corner? Really?). It was essentially like taking candy from a baby. The fact that it was  Reid (a guy who has ALWAYS been right about quarterbacks) of all people who really wanted Mahomes should have told McDermott everything he needed to know.

Edited October 22, 2018 by dave mcbride

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

Agreed. Look, if I'm Whaley, and I'm thinking I have a chance to keep my job, I'm not drafting a QB at 10 either. Instead, I'm thinking "what starter-ready players are out there who fill an immediate need and can help this team make the playoffs this season so they'll re-up me."  That's why I never understood the concept of keeping the GM and his staff around through the draft; it creates mixed incentives.

Having said that, I never believed for a second that Whaley and his crew "ran the draft." No doubt his scouts' reports were taken into account, but the selections (and the key trade) smell of 100% McDermott (and Beane, even though he wasn't officially in the job yet).

[dave mcbride]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed. Look, if I'm Whaley, and I'm thinking I have a chance to keep my job, I'm not drafting a QB at 10 either. Instead, I'm thinking "what starter-ready players are out there who fill an immediate need and can help this team make the playoffs this season so they'll re-up me."  That's why I never understood the concept of keeping the GM and his staff around through the draft; it creates mixed incentives.

Having said that, I never believed for a second that Whaley and his crew "ran the draft." No doubt his scouts' reports were taken into account, but the selections (and the key trade) smell of 100% McDermott (and Beane, even though he wasn't officially in the job yet).

Whaley didn't make that pick.