Bills Sign CB Dontae Johnson; Release DE Nate Orchard

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

30 minutes ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

 

 

...MAYBE next year.......but no promises................

[Rc2catch]

56 minutes ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

 

Clearly they do not know there is an offenSe

on the team. Fire them all. I nominate you to run the team and build the best offence in the league

[RobbRiddick]

That's amazing, I'd honestly forgotten all about Nate Orchard. It never even occurred to me at any point in the last few weeks to wonder why I haven't seen him on the field.

 

Did they only bring him in so he could watch the Packers game and actually see the correct way to sack Allen?

[GG]

47 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

Honestly, I think the lack of looking for WRs / Offensive linemen have more to do with what they're trying to accomplish on the respective sides of the ball. Defensively, they know what they have and they have the same scheme and they're only looking to get through the year because DBs effectively can play at any point without needing too much consistency and they invested Draft picks, one very high at the cost of others, in the LBer group and will probably either pay good money for another (which I doubt) or Draft another one in the mid rounds. 

 

 

I don't expect Johnson to be active this week as Gaines should be back.  Look for Sirles to be activated and McDermott to sit again.  Never understood the fascination with this guy.

[Real McClappy]

Man I like Orchard

[BigBuff423]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

I don't expect Johnson to be active this week as Gaines should be back.  Look for Sirles to be activated and McDermott to sit again.  Never understood the fascination with this guy.

 

I think Taron Johnson's play, thus far as a 4th Round Rookie, shows quite well. I think all of the Rookies have shown growth over the first four games and T. Johnson is no different, IMHO. Sirles would be a big help and I'm good with that and I don't really see why the Bills wouldn't want 5 CBs so keeping Gaines AND T. Jons active makes more sense to me. Not to mention the new Dontae, which as I said, I think could be more for Safety help that CB, but only the Bills know their plans for the time being. 

[Philo]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I think Taron Johnson's play, thus far as a 4th Round Rookie, shows quite well. I think all of the Rookies have shown growth over the first four games and T. Johnson is no different, IMHO. Sirles would be a big help and I'm good with that and I don't really see why the Bills wouldn't want 5 CBs so keeping Gaines AND T. Jons active makes more sense to me. Not to mention the new Dontae, which as I said, I think could be more for Safety help that CB, but only the Bills know their plans for the time being. 

 

I think he was referring to D. Johnson not being active this week if Gaines is healthy. T. Johnson will definitely be out there unless his shoulder starts acting up.

[SCBills]

It certainly looks like they are trying to get the defense right this year and simply evaluate offensive personnel.  

 

The defense, aside from Kyle and perhaps Lorax, could all be back next year.  Lots of young talent and talent in/entering their prime on this defense.  

 

On offense, we all know, and they certainly know, that most of these guys won’t be here next year.  Outside of Allen and Dawkins, I couldn’t guarantee you anyone else is here in 2019.  

 

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by SCBills

[BigBuff423]

Just now, Philo Beddoe said:

 

I think he was referring to D. Johnson not being active this week if Gaines is healthy. T. Johnson will definitely be out there unless his shoulder starts acting up.

 

Ah, my bad....totally crossed the lines on that one. 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

Ah, my bad....totally crossed the lines on that one. 

 

Yup.  The Johnsons are the new Williamses.    It would be tough to throw D. Johnson out there after only 3 practices.  The only way he plays is if Gaines and T Johnson have setbacks. 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

But no workouts for any wide receivers?

We're drafting 6 wrs + 1 RB and picking up 4 proven Olineman in FA. Let McB tinker around with his defense during this lost season. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

17 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We're drafting 6 wrs + 1 RB and picking up 4 proven Olineman in FA. Let McB tinker around with his defense during this lost season. 

we have 10 draft picks.  I'm pretty sure we are drafting 10 WR's.  We don't need lineman.  Just line up all 10 WR's and Allen.  We are good to go

Edited October 2, 2018 by Dablitzkrieg

[NewEraBills]

2 hours ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

 

We're not playing 70's football.  That would involve running the football, which, even though we have two capable runners and a rookie QB, we refuse to do, even though when we do, it's actually positive.

[transient]

2 hours ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

 

I take it today’s exchange rate for an “s” is a “c”.

 

You realize you’re essentially complaining about what they found in the dumpster, right? They’re not going to fix their offenSe with a broken lawn chair, an umbrella with a jammed up frame, and a touque with a small hole in it. They’re just churning the bottom of their roster and hoping to hit on low risk, higher ceiling injury recoveries or guys who were on the bubble of someone else’s cuts. 

[YoloinOhio]

The signing is all about the injury to Micah Hyde. They need secondary depth. He is week to week, not day to day.

2 hours ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

?

 

Hyde is injured

Edited October 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[fergie's ire]

20 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

But no workouts for any wide receivers?

The problem is that our cupboard is fully stocked with mediocre wide receivers.  We have a bunch of 3, 4, 5 receivers...but no 1 or 2.  With one possible exception there just aren't any 1 or 2 wide receivers walking the streets this time of year.  The only purpose signing someone right now would be to make some people ditch their Zay Jones jerseys....but no appreciable difference in talent.

[Mark Vader]

4 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

The problem is that our cupboard is fully stocked with mediocre wide receivers.  We have a bunch of 3, 4, 5 receivers...but no 1 or 2.  With one possible exception there just aren't any 1 or 2 wide receivers walking the streets this time of year.  The only purpose signing someone right now would be to make some people ditch their Zay Jones jerseys....but no appreciable difference in talent.

I'll be glad to ditch my Andre Holmes jersey

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Alphadawg7]

11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  This team. We need more corners!!!

 

But we do though...a bunch of ours are hurt and we barely had enough to finish the GB game.

9 hours ago, JPP said:

...And the defensive rebuild continues!!  Do these idiots know that we have an offence on this team??  I guess it dont matter when your playing 70's football!

 

Do you know that we have several injured corners and a hurt safety?  We dont have enough to play this Sunday.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

7 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

we have 10 draft picks.  I'm pretty sure we are drafting 10 WR's.  We don't need lineman.  Just line up all 10 WR's and Allen.  We are good to go

This made me think, has any team ever have tight ends check in on the offensive line(guard, or tackle) to set up screen passes. Tight ends generally move a bit better than guards and tackles and on a screen pass you want the rush to almost get to the qb. 

[RFL]

9 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

Honestly, I think the lack of looking for WRs / Offensive linemen have more to do with what they're trying to accomplish on the respective sides of the ball. Defensively, they know what they have and they have the same scheme and they're only looking to get through the year because DBs effectively can play at any point without needing too much consistency and they invested Draft picks, one very high at the cost of others, in the LBer group and will probably either pay good money for another (which I doubt) or Draft another one in the mid rounds. 

 

Offensively, it is entirely about the future. They want to see what they have in their Offensive line because they're going to need to re-sign at least a couple because you can't have every single starter turnover, except for Dawkins. So, they want to know what the future holds. As for KB, he's the only real Vet to start at WR, and Zay is just trying to gain traction while Foster and McCloud could be or may not be the future with Josh Allen. The same can be said with Croom. As for Teller, I think they're taking the path they took with Milano which is to keep him learning and taking reps and gaining bulk, confidence and reps to eventually take over, either later in the year or next year. They have that because Ducasse hasn't been bad. Additionally, I think the FO knows they are going to need to invest in OL via FA AND the Draft. Preferably a Vet Center and RT and then either re-sign Mills or Draft one and they'll still need to sign more OL for depth / competition. But, that Center position is a key position that will need to be viewed as priority. Also, the Draft is deep with DL and DE, so signing those guys to short term deals makes sense when they will be aplenty in the Draft which is more the long-term solution.

 

Nobody wants to really embrace it, but we need to embrace the suck. It is what it is for this year. We all talked about this year being a year to take to re-build and get Josh and Edmunds learning and growing. Not to mention T. Johnson and Horrible Harry, which all four have shown real signs of promise. Patience is the key. 

 

This makes me think the Bills might view him as a Safety replacement / depth for Hyde more than a CB.

“Embrace the suck”......Im still laughing ?.  Can see the commercials now....

[Robin]

I like that they are trying to make up for all the injuries. Hope the can do something with O-line too. Lets Go Buffalo

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

we have 10 draft picks.  I'm pretty sure we are drafting 10 WR's.  We don't need lineman.  Just line up all 10 WR's and Allen.  We are good to go

 

...10 DB's should do it..........

[apuszczalowski]

17 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

The problem is that our cupboard is fully stocked with mediocre wide receivers.  We have a bunch of 3, 4, 5 receivers...but no 1 or 2.  With one possible exception there just aren't any 1 or 2 wide receivers walking the streets this time of year.  The only purpose signing someone right now would be to make some people ditch their Zay Jones jerseys....but no appreciable difference in talent.

The issue is that they are always turning over more stones to try and find better players on the defence, but wont do the same on the offensive side. Instead of being content with the current bunch of 3,4,&5's, what do they have to lose by trying to find other 3,4,&,5's that may be an improvement over what they have on the roster? It's not like those 3,4,&5's on this roster are world beaters. Maybe they find a 'diamond in the rough', if not what's the worst that happens? They end up with a guy who cant get separation or cant catch the ball when thrown to them?

 

This idea that they will just turn their attention to the offence next offseason was thought as going to happen this offseason to go with the new QB. Smart QMs and coaches build up the cast around their young developing QBs to help them succeed and develop. This offseason I expect the same as this one, dumpster dive for WRs and Linemen, while using the picks and FA to fill holes that come up in the defence.

 

It would be nice if these guys could multitask and work to fix both sides at the same time. 

[billsredneck1]

20 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Thought Nate orchard was a good player, guess not

he is a good player and this move sucks. why wouldn't they release dt robert thomas whose name we'll never hear...or send one of the lineman that will never be active on gameday back to the p.s. orchard could have been a good chess piece along that line, especially at rushing the passer.

 

i was all for kicking shaq inside, but they are gonna have to keep mixing it up on the line to have success....ie.. lorax on the line vs. minn.

9 hours ago, rrosgt said:

I like that they are trying to make up for all the injuries. Hope the can do something with O-line too. Lets Go Buffalo

 

i don't think they will as long as teflon juan is around. last year we struggled getting the run game going due to the zone blocking scheme. eric and richie pitched a fit and got it changed back to the power game then the running improved. now that they're gone, juan has his guys locked up. this is why there is so much confusion along the line.

 

these same 5 guys under a different coach could /imo ... would perform a lot better as a unit. seems like mcd will chew everybody's ass but his. he should have been gone with rico.

Edited October 3, 2018 by billsredneck1

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

The problem is that our cupboard is fully stocked with mediocre wide receivers.  We have a bunch of 3, 4, 5 receivers...but no 1 or 2.  With one possible exception there just aren't any 1 or 2 wide receivers walking the streets this time of year.  The only purpose signing someone right now would be to make some people ditch their Zay Jones jerseys....but no appreciable difference in talent.

 

Yeah - there arent exaclty a ton of #1 receivers available at the moment.  

 

Having said that - i'd like to see them figure out a way to get kerley back on the 53.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Logic]

Johnson started 16 games for SF in 2017 and was on his way to starting at OCB for the Seahawks this year before an injury derailed his chances.

He has good size and athleticism, is young, and has a chance to start opposite Tre'davious White if the staff feels like Lewis isn't getting the job done.

I like the signing.

(I also DISlike most of the whiny, predictable "But why aren't we magically summoning any WRs out of thin air instead?! Wahhhh!!!!" replies to this thread)

[John from Riverside]

It looks like a good signing.....might even be the answer at the other corner back spot opposite White

 

I like Nate Orchard though....the guy appears to have some talent....more talent then Shaq Lawson actually

[sleeby]

On 10/2/2018 at 10:43 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

We are thin at CB after Vontae pulled a Vontae and Phillip Gaines (who is terrible to begin with) has a robot arm right now.

 

But while it's necessary, I have to admit it is extremely frustrating seeing them consistently addressing their Defensive holes and completely ignoring their Offensive ones.

When dumpster diving one needs to accept what is at hand, not what one wishes might have been found.  Confuscious say or something. . .

[Uncle Joe]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Johnson started 16 games for SF in 2017 and was on his way to starting at OCB for the Seahawks this year before an injury derailed his chances.

He has good size and athleticism, is young, and has a chance to start opposite Tre'davious White if the staff feels like Lewis isn't getting the job done.

I like the signing.

(I also DISlike most of the whiny, predictable "But why aren't we magically summoning any WRs out of thin air instead?! Wahhhh!!!!" replies to this thread)

 

There you go trying to live up to your moniker again.