JM57 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Pbomb said: We already have 10 draft picks and over 60 mil in cap, you get the game changer when you get the chance It would be such a Bills thing to do to take a DL #1 overall in a class full of them just like they did with Watkins in a WR heavy class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 17 hours ago, JM57 said: You do when you have 8-9 holes on offense and a few more on defense. Trade. Down. No actually you dont If you get a guy that single handidly can change a game for you (like Mack) then you draft that player and you use your 90 million in cap space (which they also have) to fill in those 9 holes......keep in mind they would also be drafting at the top of every round.....with 10 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: No actually you dont If you get a guy that single handidly can change a game for you (like Mack) then you draft that player and you use your 90 million in cap space (which they also have) to fill in those 9 holes......keep in mind they would also be drafting at the top of every round.....with 10 picks I dont think they actually care what YOU think. You can either come along for the ride or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JM57 said: It would be such a Bills thing to do to take a DL #1 overall in a class full of them just like they did with Watkins in a WR heavy class I would be concerned about that if anyone who was with the Bills when that pick occurred are still there. As for the class of DL, it is very good. It’s way too early to know where they will draft or who will be there and where they will all be ranked and the amount of difference between each one. There are typically only a handle of truly elite prospects in the draft inclusive of all positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: No actually you dont If you get a guy that single handidly can change a game for you (like Mack) then you draft that player and you use your 90 million in cap space (which they also have) to fill in those 9 holes......keep in mind they would also be drafting at the top of every round.....with 10 picks Take a look at the 2019 free agent class and tell me who is actually worth the money that hasn't been or won't be re-signed by their current teams. Free agency is for one or two spot signings, not filling an entire side of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, JM57 said: Take a look at the 2019 free agent class and tell me who is actually worth the money that hasn't been or won't be re-signed by their current teams. Free agency is for one or two spot signings, not filling an entire side of the ball I would actually take the approach of Jacksonville a couple years ago and just overpay for a few guys from good teams like they did with Malik Jackson and Calais Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 With the space we will have under the cap, you don't trade that pick. In regards to the choices, I'm good with either one if we're in the position to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I would be concerned about that if anyone who was with the Bills when that pick occurred are still there. As for the class of DL, it is very good. It’s way too early to know where they will draft or who will be there and where they will all be ranked and the amount of difference between each one. There are typically only a handle of truly elite prospects in the draft inclusive of all positions. It should still be a worry. This class looks absolutely stacked at DL, similar to the WR class I mentioned. Whatever flavor of lineman you want, it's there. There's Bosa, Oliver, the Clemson crew, Rashaan Gary, etc. If someone wants to pay you a premium to get to 1 TAKE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, JM57 said: It should still be a worry. This class looks absolutely stacked at DL, similar to the WR class I mentioned. Whatever flavor of lineman you want, it's there. There's Bosa, Oliver, the Clemson crew, Rashaan Gary, etc. If someone wants to pay you a premium to get to 1 TAKE IT I wouldn’t take Gary or the Clemson crew that high. That’s going second rate instead of first rate. I watch a lot of these guys. If you want good and not great at the benefit of picking up more players, that’s a different story and Ive already said I’m taking offense in the 1st. But those aren’t the same prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I'd draft a QB, especially if we finish dead last. I do wonder about the "Deshone Kizer" potential of Allen. If he looks lost and is turning the ball over constantly, meanwhile a "no doubt" QB pops (like the guy wearing #7 for OSU...) you take the QB at one. Realistically, assuming all holds and Allen shows enough to move forward with him (big assumption), the best case scenario would be the team at #3 (Giants?) giving a haul to get the QB they like, then taking whoever is there at 3 between Bosa and Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 20 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I keep seeing people saying trade the pick. You don't trade when you can draft a player that may likely end up in Canton. Bosa is an absolute game changer. Show me where he changed this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, JM57 said: Take a look at the 2019 free agent class and tell me who is actually worth the money that hasn't been or won't be re-signed by their current teams. Free agency is for one or two spot signings, not filling an entire side of the ball hence the 9 other draft picks...they cannot all be 1st rounders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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formerlyofCtown Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 5 hours ago, JM57 said: It would be such a Bills thing to do to take a DL #1 overall in a class full of them just like they did with Watkins in a WR heavy class They took Bruce Smith #1 overall how'd that work out. 7 hours ago, JM57 said: Pay attention to the trends of the league. Your best window to win is with a QB on his rookie deal before he starts chewing up a significant portion of the cap. Yup and build a stout Defense. Thanks for helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: They took Bruce Smith #1 overall how'd that work out. Yup and build a stout Defense. Thanks for helping. Ah yes run and stop the run the old Buffalo football staple while we wonder aloud why the team hasn't been good for 20 years. Comparing Nick Bosa to Bruce Smith is..something else Edited September 22, 2018 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, JM57 said: Ah yes run and stop the run the old Buffalo football staple while we wonder aloud why the team hasn't been good for 20 years. Comparing Nick Bosa to Bruce Smith is..something else No one compared him to Bruce. The difference is that we likely have the QB. You people act like we have no cap space and the only pick we would have is 1st overall. Sheesh what has happened to TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 If we have number 1, best case scenario in my opinion is trade down to 3 or 4 pick up additional picks and take either the left over bosa/oliver if the trade up was for qb or take one of the highly rated offensive tackles coming out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: If we have number 1, best case scenario in my opinion is trade down to 3 or 4 pick up additional picks and take either the left over bosa/oliver if the trade up was for qb or take one of the highly rated offensive tackles coming out Careful you're going to get the others all worked up with your smart ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 8:04 PM, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Ding ding ding! It might be the deepest defensive line draft in NFL history. We have too many holes and if a deal is there which there likely will be, you trade back and get more picks. I would rather have a top ten pick, a first in 2020 and additional picks in 2019 than either of those two. Reminds me of the year we took Darius. I really wanted to trade down. I really liked Cam Jordan. JJ watt was a stud. And also thought Robert Quinn woulda looked great for the bills. Turns out Darius was the worst of the bunch and was taken first. TRADE BACK. it's like hunting with a shot gun v a sniper rifle. Considering the bills scouts are legally blind it makes that much more sense too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Oliver I’m a believer in building an elite defense from inside out ala the Bucs in their heyday with Warren Sapp and Booger Mcfarland besides Bosa kinda scares me since he just already had surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Oliver I’m a believer in building an elite defense from inside out ala the Bucs in their heyday with Warren Sapp and Booger Mcfarland besides Bosa kinda scares me since he just already had surgery The surgery was for a common sports hernia that was the result of him getting held and pulled down to the ground during a game. What scares you about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just not a fan of players who have had abdominal surgeries that’s all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Bosa is not returning to Ohio State... focusing on nfl after the injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) A QB if Josh needs surgery Edited October 16, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 If you're drafting in the top three, and you don't trade down, and either one of those two guys is available, you almost have to draft him. I don't think Buffalo will be drafting in the top three. If they are drafting in the top 10, I still would seriously consider a trade down. The positions of need for the Bills don't correspond with the talent at the top of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bosa is not returning to Ohio State... focusing on nfl after the injury Will he hold out like his brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I would trade down, but that was not the question. The question was, would I take Oliver or Bosa? And for me, I would take an elite DE over an elite DT any day. Besides, I think even if KW retires we got 3 solid guys there. DE is a premium position and with the Bosa family's pedigree, yes, I have to draft the Buckeye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Neither. Gonna need offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Will he hold out like his brother? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 YES - BPA all the way 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Neither. Gonna need offense So reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I’d take Oliver but I’d be damn happy with either one. Also think I’d probably lean towards trading down if I can get a decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bosa is not returning to Ohio State... focusing on nfl after the injury Might as well. Guess he feels this won't impact his draft status. I think him and his brother should focus less on yoga and more on tendon training as it's not helping prevent injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Might as well. Guess he feels this won't impact his draft status. I think him and his brother should focus less on yoga and more on tendon training as it's not helping prevent injuries. Nothing would have prevented nick’s injury. He was held and then yanked to the ground while twisting coming around the corner by a TCU OL in an egregious no-call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 7:48 PM, McBean said: Trade back 100%. We have too many holes. Not so fast- lets get thru FA first. We can fill some holes that one- then the draft strategy will take place. I am not against trading back for extra picks, it is just too soon to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: YES - BPA all the way So reach? Reach for my man, maybe score some points next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I would draft Bosa hands down but I worry that because of Bosa's decision, I don't think McDermott would consider him based on character. 15 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Not so fast- lets get thru FA first. We can fill some holes that one- then the draft strategy will take place. I am not against trading back for extra picks, it is just too soon to think about it. I know we have a lot of cap space...but other teams have money too. I don't think that McDermott and Beane have done enough to ensure that Buffalo is an attractive landing spot for top UFAs. Their inability to put an NFL offense on the field, much less a NFL-caliber quarterback, has done a lot to hurt the Bills chances despite having money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Neither. Gonna need offense It would be crazy to go defense in round 1 unless we added a lot of free agents to the offense. We need to trade down. We need a WR, TE, and 2 olinemen by the end of round 2. 4 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: I would draft Bosa hands down but I worry that because of Bosa's decision, I don't think McDermott would consider him based on character. We have a good pass rush, our offense sucks. Bosa would make zero impact on our win total in 2019. 20 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Not so fast- lets get thru FA first. We can fill some holes that one- then the draft strategy will take place. I am not against trading back for extra picks, it is just too soon to think about it. I am 100% wanting to trade back unless there is a generational OT. 41 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I would trade down, but that was not the question. The question was, would I take Oliver or Bosa? And for me, I would take an elite DE over an elite DT any day. Besides, I think even if KW retires we got 3 solid guys there. DE is a premium position and with the Bosa family's pedigree, yes, I have to draft the Buckeye. This makes sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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