Who will start preseason game 3 vs Bengals?

[YoloinOhio]

Allen with the 1s today. When asked if Sunday will be a “dress rehearsal”

 

 

[CommonCents]

That’s ok, the longer he keeps Allen side by side with NateP the wider the gap will grow. 

[Mango]

Who starts game 3 vs who starts week 1 are two different things.

 

Allen deserves a shot with the ones in preseason. So should be him. 

 

That said, start Peterman. Watch an MFL QB prepare for a regular season game. See the game at real speed not preseason speed. Learn what regular season defenses are showing. Make sure the OL isn’t a total disaster. 

[Putin]

On 8/18/2018 at 7:30 AM, YoloinOhio said:

Given that the qb who starts game 3 is usually the one who will start the season, who do you think McDermott will start now that AJ is hurt? (This isn’t necessarily who you want to start, it’s who you think will start)

I guess who ever will be practicing with the 1’s 

[richardb1952]

I would consider playing Peterman Qtrs 1 & 3, and Allen Qtrs 2 & 4.  Or vice versa.  That should give each one a fair chance.  Make a decision after game.  It would give them 2 weeks to get up to speed with the ones.

Edited August 20, 2018 by richardb1952

[BigBuff423]

I really like what I've seen from Allen. But, given McD's comments noted by Joe B. I think Peterman is the starter for the 3rd game and I think he starts the season. McD and Beane are absolutely intent on making sure they don't repeat an EJ Manuel mistake. They want him to learn and grow before the bullets start flying for real. It's hard to argue that point since nearly everyone on this board believed he needed this season be truly ready. 

 

Now, I was NOT an Allen guy before the Draft but he has shown significant strides in development I would be fine with "ride or die" with Allen. That said, I also really want him to be the guy for the next 15 years and I do trust McD and their entire FO and coaching staff. So, if they believe the best thing is to let him be the #2 for at least the foreseeable future, then so be it. They've done enough - including drafting Allen to start with btw - to give them the benefit of the doubt. So, I "think" Peterman starts based on McD and Beane's approach with Allen, but it could also be a situation where he starts at some point during the year. Regardless, from what Peterman has shown thus far, which is all we can go by at this point (yes, we all know his Chargers game but players can improve), that's gotten better. Time will tell....but for now, the future is bright.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

I really like what I've seen from Allen. But, given McD's comments noted by Joe B. I think Peterman is the starter for the 3rd game and I think he starts the season. McD and Beane are absolutely intent on making sure they don't repeat an EJ Manuel mistake. They want him to learn and grow before the bullets start flying for real. It's hard to argue that point since nearly everyone on this board believed he needed this season be truly ready. 

 

Now, I was NOT an Allen guy before the Draft but he has shown significant strides in development I would be fine with "ride or die" with Allen. That said, I also really want him to be the guy for the next 15 years and I do trust McD and their entire FO and coaching staff. So, if they believe the best thing is to let him be the #2 for at least the foreseeable future, then so be it. They've done enough - including drafting Allen to start with btw - to give them the benefit of the doubt. So, I "think" Peterman starts based on McD and Beane's approach with Allen, but it could also be a situation where he starts at some point during the year. Regardless, from what Peterman has shown thus far, which is all we can go by at this point (yes, we all know his Chargers game but players can improve), that's gotten better. Time will tell....but for now, the future is bright.

The mistake made with EJ was made on draft night. In the time between the end of Wyoming’s season and the senior bowl Allen improved more than EJ did in his entire career. 

 

EJ was never going to be a good QB. Years later he is still in the NFL and he is still the same exact guy. 

[BigBuff423]

Just now, Commonsense said:

The mistake made with EJ was made on draft night. In the time between the end of Wyoming’s season and the senior bowl Allen improved more than EJ did in his entire career. 

 

EJ was never going to be a good QB. Years later he is still in the NFL and he is still the same exact guy. 

 

I get that. Please don't mistake me saying EJ and Allen are even in the same country regarding talent or ability, let alone zip code. I only meant that the original intent was to bring EJ along slowly, with black-mat-cursed Kolb to hold the spot for a season or two, and that fell apart. Now, I don't know, none of us do right now, just how slow they wanted to bring Allen around, I just don't want them to abandon the plan due to injured AJ with shades of Kolb and EJ. That's all. 

[HappyDays]

I'm guessing McDermott will give Allen first go with the 1s on Sunday. I think he's already leaning towards Allen being the starter against Baltimore, but he doesn't want the team to know that and he's making Allen really earn it the right way. So for right now it is a "competition" but it's Allen's to lose.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I voted Allen because I want it to be true. I am afraid they may stay with Peterman, but I believe Allen has earned a shot with the ones.

[CommonCents]

28 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I get that. Please don't mistake me saying EJ and Allen are even in the same country regarding talent or ability, let alone zip code. I only meant that the original intent was to bring EJ along slowly, with black-mat-cursed Kolb to hold the spot for a season or two, and that fell apart. Now, I don't know, none of us do right now, just how slow they wanted to bring Allen around, I just don't want them to abandon the plan due to injured AJ with shades of Kolb and EJ. That's all. 

I don’t think the plan was to sit him, see the two speed bumps as opposition. 

 

McD is a big “earn it” type of guy. The timeline was set up to make Josh earn the job and as of now he has taken the next step each and every time he has been given a chance. He will have to do it again on Saturday. If he does, I’m a firm believer that the job is his.

 

If he struggles and Nate executes the offense then I could see this “competition” staying open into the 4th preseason game. It’s not a competition it’s just a matter of pushing Josh past the other guys in the QB room and making him work. 

[Bfanlc]

Wondering if MCD realizes how bad the oline is or if its even worse than what we think and he is trying to not get Allen killed.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

I guess who ever will be practicing with the 1’s 

Really going out on a limb Putin.

 

who do you think that will be? So far they have had two days of practice and it’s been. ...Rotation. 

Edited August 20, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[McBean]

Again, the fact anybody is entertaining Nathan Peterman starting week 1 against the Ravens is hilarious.

 

McDermott can’t be that dumb. Somebody give me his address so I can send him the LAC film last year...

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, McBean said:

Again, the fact anybody is entertaining Nathan Peterman starting week 1 against the Ravens is hilarious.

 

McDermott can’t be that dumb. Somebody give me his address so I can send him the LAC film last year...

For better or for worse, I don’t think he cares. And I’m sure he has the film.

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

For better or for worse, I don’t think he cares. And I’m sure he has the film.

He lit that film on fire, looked into the camera with absolutely zero expression on his face, and said 'We're on to KC.'

[416BillsFan]

On 8/18/2018 at 9:18 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Kiper just said on radio that it would be a huge mistake to throw Allen out there in Baltimore and he expects them to start Peterman since he’s at least started and prepared for actual nfl defenses before. He loves Allen but noted he’s not seen anything yet like he willl see in the regular season when it comes to defenses. He indicated that behind that OL he could be ruined early on from a confidence standpoint. 

 

In the next breath he expects Darnold to start. 

I don't think it's too contradictory. Allen would face the Ravens and Chargers, two of the best defenses to start while Darnold would match up against the Lions and the Suh-less Dolphins, so I see his point.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I'm guessing McDermott will give Allen first go with the 1s on Sunday. I think he's already leaning towards Allen being the starter against Baltimore, but he doesn't want the team to know that and he's making Allen really earn it the right way. So for right now it is a "competition" but it's Allen's to lose.

I agree, fwiw.

Additionally, McDermott has shown a propensity to not allow veteran players to voice their opinions publicly about which players may be better, while encouraging the same behind closed doors. We’re seeing every day now, veteran players speaking openly about the QB competition, with a clear nod to Allen, in my view.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

For better or for worse, I don’t think he cares. And I’m sure he has the film.

He also had to apologize to his team for making that mistake last year. You hardly ever hear of that. If he starts Peterman who tanks again, which is a very possible if not likely scenario, and maybe a Savage situation where he benches him at halftime of game one, is he going to want to apologize to the team again?

 

I'm no fan of Peterman. But McD started Peterman with the ones in OTAs and in camp for a reason and something I could support. He rewarded Peterman for his off season work and his attitude, combined with not anointing Allen or even McCarron the starter, and he wanted Allen to beat the competition out in front of the team to win their support and trust rather than just hand him the keys to the car. 

 

It worked. Now you're seeing several members of the defense coming out and saying how good he is. It's setting McD up perfectly for his very logical plan and process to work. It's just a matter of when he pulls the trigger and makes Allen the starter. It could be this week. 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Kelly the Dog

[BuffaloHokie13]

28 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He also had to apologize to his team for making that mistake last year. You hardly ever hear of that. If he starts Peterman who tanks again, which is a very possible if not likely scenario, and maybe a Savage situation where he benches him at halftime of game one, is he going to want to apologize to the team again?

 

I'm no fan of Peterman. But McD started Peterman with the ones in OTAs and in camp for a reason and something I could support. He rewarded Peterman for his off season work and his attitude, combined with not anointing Allen or even McCarron the starter, and he wanted Allen to beat the competition out in front of the team to win their support and trust rather than just hand him the keys to the car. 

 

It worked. Now you're seeing several members of the defense coming out and saying how good he is. It's setting McD up perfectly for his very logical plan and process to work. It's just a matter of when he pulls the trigger and makes Allen the starter. It could be this week. 

My nightmare scenario for the locker room is that Peterman starts and throws a pick-6 on his first drive. Allen is the starter for drive 2.

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, Mango said:

Who starts game 3 vs who starts week 1 are two different things.

 

Allen deserves a shot with the ones in preseason. So should be him. 

 

That said, start Peterman. Watch an MFL QB prepare for a regular season game. See the game at real speed not preseason speed. Learn what regular season defenses are showing. Make sure the OL isn’t a total disaster. 

 

Exactly, this thread is about Preseason Week 3.

 

I for one believe McDermott when he talks about competition.  NP and JA are "competing" for the 3rd week starter.

Some weight has to be in JA court for getting at least one chance with the 1s.  So, unless JA regresses this week in practice I think

McDermott will stick to his ways and start him on Sunday.

 

After the game the ball is back in McDermott's court and they will have to decide on a Week 1 starter.

I believe that JAs pace of development (especially if he plays well Sunday) has been a surprise to Beane and McDermott.

It's going to be interesting to see what they decide. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Nate will be week 1 starter with Zay Jones so McDermott can fight for Jesus

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

My nightmare scenario for the locker room is that Peterman starts and throws a pick-6 on his first drive. Allen is the starter for drive 2.

You had your nightmare last game but the defender dropped it right in his hands.

[LeGOATski]

I changed my vote to Peterman. McDermott said after today they'll blend into a normal game week schedule so that players get used to what a normal week will be like.

 

Allen started today.

 

So, Peterman will start tomorrow as they go into the "normal preparation week."

 

I think this was planned because Peterman will be starting.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

I changed my vote to Peterman. McDermott said after today they'll blend into a normal game week schedule so that players get used to what a normal week will be like.

 

Allen started today.

 

So, Peterman will start tomorrow as they go into the "normal preparation week."

 

I think this was planned because Peterman will be starting.

I don't understand your reasoning. A normal game week schedule has the Bills start practice on Monday getting ready for the Sunday opponent. Today is Monday and Allen is in with the ones. Even if they switch days off, Peterman is with the ones tomorrow, but Allen is with them on the most important practice day of the week, Wednesday, when they install the game plan.

 

I'm not saying any of this proves Allen starts or doesn't, I just don't understand the reasoning. The normal game work week seems to show the advantage to JA.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't understand your reasoning. A normal game week schedule has the Bills start practice on Monday getting ready for the Sunday opponent. Today is Monday and Allen is in with the ones. Even if they switch days off, Peterman is with the ones tomorrow, but Allen is with them on the most important practice day of the week, Wednesday, when they install the game plan.

 

I'm not saying any of this proves Allen starts or doesn't, I just don't understand the reasoning. The normal game work week seems to show the advantage to JA.

McDermott literally said they don't start it until tomorrow, when Peterman will be starting. That is because normal weeks start on Tuesday (not Monday). After a real game, the players have the next day off to recuperate.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't understand your reasoning. A normal game week schedule has the Bills start practice on Monday getting ready for the Sunday opponent. Today is Monday and Allen is in with the ones. Even if they switch days off, Peterman is with the ones tomorrow, but Allen is with them on the most important practice day of the week, Wednesday, when they install the game plan.

 

I'm not saying any of this proves Allen starts or doesn't, I just don't understand the reasoning. The normal game work week seems to show the advantage to JA.

 

JA got all of today.  JA and NP will split the routine during the rest of the week.

I believe McD is talking about meeting, practice, film etc schedules.

Has nothing to do with them switching QB playing time.

[Kelly the Dog]

32 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

McDermott literally said they don't start it until tomorrow, when Peterman will be starting. That is because normal weeks start on Tuesday (not Monday). After a real game, the players have the next day off to recuperate.

Many teams, including the Bills I'm pretty sure, practice on Mondays and have Tuesdays off. It's because they want them to move a little the next day after the tough game rather than rest. I did a quick google search and the first few articles I clicked on showed that, discussing the Monday practice during the regular season last year.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/11/6/16612872/buffalo-bills-monday-injury-report-practice-charles-clay-ej-gaines-cordy-glenn-zay-jones

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-marcell-dareus-missing-mondays-practice/

 

 

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Many teams, including the Bills I'm pretty sure, practice on Mondays and have Tuesdays off. It's because they want them to move a little the next day after the tough game rather than rest. I did a quick google search and the first few articles I clicked on showed that, discussing the Monday practice during the regular season last year.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/11/6/16612872/buffalo-bills-monday-injury-report-practice-charles-clay-ej-gaines-cordy-glenn-zay-jones

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-marcell-dareus-missing-mondays-practice/

 

 

This still doesn't change what McDermott literally said, with his mouth moving and vocal chords vibrating, during his press conference.

[Kelly the Dog]

14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

This still doesn't change what McDermott literally said, with his mouth moving and vocal chords vibrating, during his press conference.

What he said was, "After today we will start to move into a blend into a normal week as we prepare for the next game. Part of that is so our players can get acclimated to the routine of a normal regular season week."

 

That to me says Wednesday is game plan day and Friday is walk through of game plan day and Sunday is game day and all of those would be Allen days.  

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

What he said was, "After today we will start to move into a blend into a normal week as we prepare for the next game. Part of that is so our players can get acclimated to the routine of a normal regular season week."

 

That to me says Wednesday is game plan day and Friday is walk through of game plan day and Sunday is game day and all of those would be Allen days.  

Okay, you make a good argument here as long as they keep that rotation pattern during the week.

 

[eball]

Unless there is some completely crazy stojan going on at practice neither we nor the media are witnessing, it's difficult to fathom Allen not starting this Sunday and being in line to start in Baltimore W1.

 

Ignore McD's comments -- he's trying (in vain) to keep his team's intentions private, and also trying to protect his rookie QB.

 

You know the veterans have been asked by the media about the QB competition...is it a coincidence that suddenly the word "trust" is being uttered about Allen?  That's called winning the locker room.

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 Hard to read the defense from the bench.

 

Unless this kid truly is a project, he should start, just as the majority of highly drafted QBs before him have.

 

Was thinking more of like "When a LB lines up here it means he is disguising the overages so look over here .."  Watching what AJ or whoever does and then learning from that.  As opposed to him learning it by throwing a pick in a close game.

 

I understand the trial by fire argument.  But he's not Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.  All scouting reports before draft were "he's a project".  He still is and should be treated that way if at all possible IMHO.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Shouldn't he start because it's his turn?

 

Not to be overly simplistic about it, but it makes sense.  Then just throw in the fact that he has been playing well.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

What he said was, "After today we will start to move into a blend into a normal week as we prepare for the next game. Part of that is so our players can get acclimated to the routine of a normal regular season week."

 

That to me says Wednesday is game plan day and Friday is walk through of game plan day and Sunday is game day and all of those would be Allen days.  

Nevermind, I just read that tomorrow is an off day. So Peterman's days will be Wednesday and Friday if that rotation pattern holds.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Was thinking more of like "When a LB lines up here it means he is disguising the overages so look over here .."  Watching what AJ or whoever does and then learning from that.  As opposed to him learning it by throwing a pick in a close game.

 

I understand the trial by fire argument.  But he's not Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.  All scouting reports before draft were "he's a project".  He still is and should be treated that way if at all possible IMHO.

 

 

Would it be better to get 6 or 7 wins with the 2 career backups starting this year and Allen watching them flounder, or have Allen get 6 or 7 wins and actually learn how be a starter in the NFL by playing?

[Warcodered]

It hasn't been posted here yet?

 

Allen starts move along.

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Would it be better to get 6 or 7 wins with the 2 career backups starting this year and Allen watching them flounder, or have Allen get 6 or 7 wins and actually learn how be a starter in the NFL by playing?

 

I don't know. I'd rather go 19-0.

 

My opinion is the consensus and also my opinion from watching college games is he is a project and should be treated as such.

 

As far as your question goes, I'd rather win 6 or 7 with someone else in than win 6 or 7 with Allen developing bad habits.

 

What's the hurry? He ain't going anywhere.  Wait till he's ready. Set him up to succeed. 

 

But if he starts he starts.

 

Go BILLS !!

Edited August 21, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't know. I'd rather go 19-0.

 

My opinion is the consensus and also my opinion from watching college games is he is a project and should be treated as such.

 

As far as your question goes, I'd rather win 6 or 7 with someone else in than win 6 or 7 with Allen developing bad habits.

 

What's the hurry? He ain't going anywhere.  Wait till he's ready. Set him up to succeed. 

 

But if he starts he starts.

 

Go BILLS !!

 

 

Bad habits by playing in real games?  I disagree.  Bad habits change quick when the bullets are flying.

 

If he doesn't play, how do they judge that he is ready?  And after a season of sitting around (minus half a start), is Peterman "ready"?  Cured of his "bad habits"? 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Mr. WEO