Please name Josh Allen the starter

[Kelly the Dog]

Allen was 9-13 which is 69%. One of his incompletions was a spike to stop the clock. So he was actually 9-12 for 75%. These kind of stats are meaningless.

[GoBills808]

56 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Guys who had accuracy issues coming out of college. Particularly guys who didn't complete fewer than 57% of the throws they attempted at the collegiate level.

 

There's the context. 

Whew, thank god for that 57% context then. Because for a second I thought you were going to pick some totally arbitrary collegiate completion percentage.

[The Senator]

1 hour ago, Mikey152 said:

 

People said he was a "project" because they thought he had crappy accuracy and sloppy footwork.  But the reality is he is a smart kid who ran what was quite possibly the  most (or second most behind Rosen) pro-style offense of all the rookies.  Not to mention his physical tools which can mask some of the typical rookie problems.  He had the highest floor, not the lowest...once you got past the narrative that he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, anyway (bear in mind this sentiment was based almost 100% on his stats and not his actual ability)

 

So im watching the replay of the Bills-Browns game right now - it’s apparent that McCarron is not our starter.  He can’t move the chains, and isn’t worth a crap.

 

Why are so many TBD. posters in favor of Peterman?

 

Start Allen NOW!!!!

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot tak Bills' QB situation.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeh just ol' Rodak stirring the pot. 

Meaningless

 

well....... unless the players initials are NP

And no I am not trashing Josh or promoting Nate.  

 

 

The line sure has changed in 1 years time.  

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, Mikey152 said:

 

You're completely missing the point about being drafted in the top 10.  Guys don't wind up there by accident.

 

Some dude drafted in the third round with a sub 57% completion percentage might have unfixable issues.  But a guy drafted in the top 10 either has a trump card or, upon further scrutiny, his stats weren't a true reflection of his ability. Maybe both.

 

 

 

Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. 

 

There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. 

 

I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by jrober38

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot tak Bills' QB situation.

 

The line that got my attention was “there’s no turning back”, which is a real consideration. I’ll just let this play out, but so far, so good! 

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

I hope he isn't named starter. 

 

This preseason has been fairly reminiscent of 2013 when we signed Matt Flynn to keep EJ Manuel on the bench, he got hurt and we didn't bother trying to find another QB and we let our unprepared 1st round project on the field far too early. EJ had played relatively well, and we opted to start him even though the scouting reports all said he was a project. 

 

Allen is also a project, and although he's had a decent preseason so far making a couple flashy throws, we need to remember that he's mostly playing vanilla coverages and things will be much more complicated once the regular season begins and the games matter. His completion percentage and particularly his YPA is still very low so we shouldn't be acting like he's lighting the world on fire. What he has done is look the part in terms of demeanour and his control of the huddle, but we shouldn't get carried away. A small sample size of work in the preseason doesn't negate hours of film study which showed Allen as a guy who has a lot of work left to do. 

 

Additionally, Peterman has looked pretty good. I'd rather "trust the process" and play Peterman for as long as we can and stick with the plan to develop Allen. Putting him on the bench for a month or two, and letting him learn to be a pro and watch film on his opponents to see what he'll face in the regular season seems like the best option when thinking long term. 

 

I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. 

This post is wrong on many levels.  Allen and Manuel are night and day different levels of talent .

[snamsnoops]

10 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. 

 

There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. 

 

I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. 

 

 

Maybe stop looking at history and start watching him play? Just a suggestion.....

[PlayoffsPlease]

11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. 

 

There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. 

 

I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. 

 

 

I can fix this for you.  He does NOT have accuracy issues. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

 

[Heitz]

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@AdamSchefter

Rookie QB Josh Allen will start Buffalo’s third preseason game vs. Cincinnati, per source.

 

Here we go, baby!!

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GoBills808]

Just stashing this here for posterity:

 

On 4/16/2018 at 12:39 PM, GoBills808 said:

I vote for Allen.

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Just stashing this here for posterity:

PIGGYBACKING!

On 4/28/2018 at 8:55 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I just don't think he's a piece of clay. I think he's a smart QB who has some experience under center, reading alignments, and adjusting protections at the line. He had some footwork issues that he has been working with Jordan Palmer to fix for months and he comes across as very aware of those issues. My impression is that the best thing he can get at this point is more experience - Carson Wentz style. He comes across as a guy who learns best from doing, so if he's even close to AJ in terms of reading & adjusting I'm playing him. He's not a converted TE who's learning how to play QB, he's a QB who needs more experience.

 

And yeah, I know that flies in the face of everything people said previously. That's just my impression of the kid after researching more, watching film again, listening to him talk and field questions, and talking to him briefly.

 

[BB@Shooter]

On 8/19/2018 at 1:50 PM, blzrul said:

Every time we get a promising rookie, we ruin him by throwing him in before he's ready. 

It makes you wonder if they were the right guys. I am thinking they weren't. 

[thunderingsquid]

On 8/17/2018 at 6:38 PM, Fixxxer said:

Allen just called more audibles in a quarter of football than Tyrod Taylor in three years as a Buffalo Bill. They guy seems to be in command of the offense. I'm afraid that Vlad Ducasse and weak ass Bodine will get the starter killed once the games are for real. 

 

THIS!!!!

[starrymessenger]

I don't put much stock in completion percentage. It is to a significant extent actually a team stat more than a measure of QB efficiency. Thing is, JA's stat sheet from his 2017 season is bad disregarding completion percentage. Yards per completion (low) and drop percentage (also low compared with the other first round QBs) are not good. He only threw one pass over forty yards in 2017. Fully 30 % of his throws travelled 5 or fewer yards from the line of scrimmage (and the short game was something he wasn't especially good at). So for a guy with huge arm he didn't exactly use it to stretch the field. 

There are three different JAs based on his 2017 tape: A guy who looks so good that he seems to be playing in a different dimension than other players, a guy who is mediocre, and a guy who is flat out atrocious. And each of the three Josh's is well represented.

Given his extraordinary physical abilities, his intelligence, work ethic, personality I have always been inclined to throw out the entirety of his college stat sheet. Mason Rudolph's stats are much better than Allen's and obviously no one was ever going to draft Rudolph ahead of him. IMO he is worth the big bet that the Bills made in drafting him where they did. And what we've seen in preseason so far is very encouraging. 

The front end of the Bills schedule is pretty brutal. I wouldn't start him right away. But if he plays very well next Sunday I think McD's hand will be forced. Let's see how he makes out against Atkins (who has also looked great in preseason).

[allpurpose]

Allen is doing ok considering the Bengals defensive line which is pretty darn good with Geno and Billings , Dunlap and Lawson.. I'm kind of surprised he's still upright and able to walk at this point.. You might have a keeper IF you're oline can keep him from the dreaded surgeons knife.. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, allpurpose said:

Allen is doing ok considering the Bengals defensive line which is pretty darn good with Geno and Billings , Dunlap and Lawson.. I'm kind of surprised he's still upright and able to walk at this point.. You might have a keeper IF you're oline can keep him from the dreaded surgeons knife.. 

 

...manhandled by the Bengals AND Browns....we're on the wrong side  of uh..oh....

[allpurpose]

12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...manhandled by the Bengals AND Browns....we're on the wrong side  of uh..oh....

If our Oline was even half as good as our Dline it'd be a whole different game, but for reasons unknown some people's kids still want to draft the shiny new object ahead of good offensive linemen..  

As much as I don't think AJ is your answer I do think sitting Allen until your oline can gel is a better option. I don't wish AJ any ill will, but he has been around the league awhile and can probably be a decent place holder while Allen matures and readies himself for big time defenses..   

[Yeezus]

you can delete this thread now

 

delusional fans. 

[transplantbillsfan]

19 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

you can delete this thread now

 

delusional fans. 

 

I think I was most delusional in thinking our OL would be all right.

 

I haven't totally dismissed the idea of them working out the kinks for the regular season, but right now I would be absolutely fine if McCarron or Peterman are named the starter and it's all on how bad our OL is.

 

Allen appears to be physically, mentally and emotionally tough enough to start week 1 and today's lack of success clearly was on the OL and WRs dropping balls much more than him, but this is a good excuse McDermott can use to put Allen in bubble wrap to start the season while McCarron or Peterman either get beat the hell up or rise to the occasion.

[Domdab99]

Still fine with Allen starting...but I'm not going to mind Peterman starting the season, either. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

After today... NO. 

[MarkAF43]

27 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

After today... NO. 

 

Yeah it was 100% on him. No dropped passes, no offensive lineman acting like turnstiles. All on the kid right? 

[jrober38]

Josh Allen is the 3rd best QB on this roster right now.

 

He needs to hold a clip board and learn the position this season.

 

Peterman should start, and McCarron should be his backup. If another starter, or a backup get injured early in the season, I'd try to trade McCarron and promote Allen to primary backup at the end of September/early October. 

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, Yeezus said:

you can delete this thread now

 

delusional fans. 

Man... just bc you figured out how to use your smart phone doesnt mean it helps you post smarter things...

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Josh Allen is the 3rd best QB on this roster right now.

 

 

 

 

Explain. 

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think I was most delusional in thinking our OL would be all right.

 

I haven't totally dismissed the idea of them working out the kinks for the regular season, but right now I would be absolutely fine if McCarron or Peterman are named the starter and it's all on how bad our OL is.

 

Allen appears to be physically, mentally and emotionally tough enough to start week 1 and today's lack of success clearly was on the OL and WRs dropping balls much more than him, but this is a good excuse McDermott can use to put Allen in bubble wrap to start the season while McCarron or Peterman either get beat the hell up or rise to the occasion.

My take too. I still hope he's the starter but that game gave McD the munition to say otherwise to his players if that's his plan, which we just don't know. I just don't see how can AJ outbid Peterman since Nate supposedly outperformed him all camp long.

 

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Man... just bc you figured out how to use your smart phone doesnt mean it helps you post smarter things...

 

Ha ha. Spot on as well

Edited August 26, 2018 by Jerome007

[jrober38]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

Explain. 

 

Peterman is our best QB. He's shown he's in command of the offense, is accurate, and he gets the ball out on time. His arm is obviously lacking, but he does a good job attacking the middle of the field and we can game plan to attack that area off play action once Shady is on the field. It's when he throws to the boundary that he can get into trouble. 

 

I think McCarron is probably a step behind him. We haven't seen much of him but he's proven to be a somewhat capable NFL backup in the past. 

 

Allen is the 3rd guy IMO. His inexperience showed badly today. He held the ball too long, took unnecessary sacks when he could have got rid of the ball and ultimately looked very overwhelmed.

 

Josh Allen was a massive project when we picked him. People might not want to hear it, but this is a guy who was a 2-3 year project who needed to learn how to lead an offense and consistently move the chains. He hasn't done that so far. His 4.7 YPA for the preseason is pathetic and today showed that his awareness still isn't where it needs to be. He held the ball too long and took sacks when he could have dumped the ball incomplete. 

 

Stash him on the bench for as long as possible. He needs to work on a lot of things before he's ready to play meaningful regular season games yet. 

Edited August 26, 2018 by jrober38

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

unnecessary sacks

 

Please stop with this because this is ridiculous. How in the hell was he supposed to do anything getting sacked as soon as he hit the back of his drop?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

15 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Josh Allen is the 3rd best QB on this roster right now.

 

He needs to hold a clip board and learn the position this season.

 

Peterman should start, and McCarron should be his backup. If another starter, or a backup get injured early in the season, I'd try to trade McCarron and promote Allen to primary backup at the end of September/early October. 

 

Said it before, I’ll say it again: stick to European football.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Please stop with this because this is ridiculous. How in the hell was he supposed to do anything getting sacked as soon as he hit the back of his drop?

 

This simply isn't true.

 

He patted the ball on at least 3 of his sacks when he could have thrown it at a receiver's feet incomplete.

 

Allen did nothing to anticipate pressure. He didn't look for his hot reads and stayed locked onto his 1st read despite the Bengals bringing some pressure. By sticking to his reads, the ball didn't come out on time and he wound up taking sacks when he could have thrown it incomplete. Those sacks kill drives and he's got to do a much better job getting rid of the ball when he has time to, even if it means throwing an incomplete pass. He's got to feel that pressure coming when it's right in his face. 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

This simply isn't true.

 

He patted the ball on at least 3 of his sacks when he could have thrown it at a receiver's feet incomplete.

 

Allen did nothing to anticipate pressure. He didn't look for his hot reads and stayed locked onto his 1st read despite the Bengals bringing some pressure. By sticking to his reads, the ball didn't come out on time and he wound up taking sacks when he could have thrown it incomplete. Those sacks kill drives and he's got to do a much better job getting rid of the ball when he has time to, even if it means throwing an incomplete pass. He's got to feel that pressure coming when it's right in his face. 

 

I seriously think that he would have gotten intentional grounding on a few of those. He did throw it away a couple times which was good to see. But he had nowhere to step up, could barely roll out, and when he did get a pass off, Clay or KB would stonehands it. 

[BigDingus]

Geez, people are so caught up in the moment. I'm glad fans don't call the shots. 

It was OBVIOUS going into the season, and even more obvious during the preseason that our O-line is bad and would get Allen killed, but even though fans always excuse poor play in preseason by saying "PRESEASON DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!" everyone was so quick to anoint Allen the starter for week 1 because of preseason play against backups.

Now people seem to be realizing, oh....maybe we do have a problem. That's nice. I'm glad you guys can finally form non-biased opinions when you're smacked in the face with a bit of reality. For someone who was considered a long term project, and the most raw of the big 4 first round QB's, the last thing we should want is to trot him & get him killed week after week this season. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

Geez, people are so caught up in the moment. I'm glad fans don't call the shots. 

It was OBVIOUS going into the season, and even more obvious during the preseason that our O-line is bad and would get Allen killed, but even though fans always excuse poor play in preseason by saying "PRESEASON DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!" everyone was so quick to anoint Allen the starter for week 1 because of preseason play against backups.

Now people seem to be realizing, oh....maybe we do have a problem. That's nice. I'm glad you guys can finally form non-biased opinions when you're smacked in the face with a bit of reality. For someone who was considered a long term project, and the most raw of the big 4 first round QB's, the last thing we should want is to trot him & get him killed week after week this season. 

 

The OL is bad, but some of the sacks were self inflicted. 

 

Allen just holds the ball too long. He got away with it in college against lesser competition, and it's usually a hard habit for athletic QBs to correct. He can't run away from NFL calibre defensive linemen like he did against Mountain West opponents, and he needs to do a better job consistently stepping up into the pocket to buy time or getting the ball out to a hot read faster once he learns to anticipate pressure. 

[Putin]

9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

This simply isn't true.

 

He patted the ball on at least 3 of his sacks when he could have thrown it at a receiver's feet incomplete.

 

Allen did nothing to anticipate pressure. He didn't look for his hot reads and stayed locked onto his 1st read despite the Bengals bringing some pressure. By sticking to his reads, the ball didn't come out on time and he wound up taking sacks when he could have thrown it incomplete. Those sacks kill drives and he's got to do a much better job getting rid of the ball when he has time to, even if it means throwing an incomplete pass. He's got to feel that pressure coming when it's right in his face. 

A young rookie from a small school who was a project/still is ( IMO )  behind a horrid OL , 

I’m sorry he didn’t exceed your expectations! 

I wouldn’t start him week 1 or any week for that matter UNTIL this JOKE of an OL  gets fixed ( replaced ) , 

but hey let’s put ALL the blame on Allen ?!

 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

A young rookie from a small school who was a project/still is ( IMO )  behind a horrid OL , 

I’m sorry he didn’t exceed your expectations! 

I wouldn’t start him week 1 or any week for that matter UNTIL this JOKE of an OL  gets fixed ( replaced ) , 

but hey let’s put ALL the blame on Allen ?!

 

 

I don't get the purpose of lowering the bar for a player. 

 

If this were Tyrod of Ryan Fitzpatrick, fans would be calling for his head on a spit. 

 

Allen played really poorly today. I don't understand the purpose of making excuses for the guy. 

[Roundybout]

 

At least Allen isn't making excuses.