BigBuff423 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 No thanks....hard pass. All that FA money will be necessary for Offensive Line, CB depth, possibly a WR, and a TE. The Draft is deep on Defensive Line / DE, so I hope they use those Draft picks they did NOT use this year (on Allen) to get better and younger on the D, just as they did this year in some ways. Man, what a difference a competent GM and HC make when it comes to looking at the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I doubt Buffalo goes for it, but I could logically see the thinking. Buffalo obviously has more money than they're likely to even be able to spend next offseason and a Bell deal could easily be structured in a way that it basically clears him out of the picture just in time to give Allen a huge extension (if he happens to warrant it at that time). Obviously a pursuit of Bell assumes that McCoy is gone. Bell is certainly a very, very special talent that can impact the game in a way most RBs cannot. I'm all for taking advantage of this time period where the Bills are being cheap on the QB position to build out the rest of the roster and lord knows this team needs some weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah but look at their QB's. Not sure what you are getting at? He caught 85 balls and had 1,300 yards on the ground (and missed a game). Bell would be an elite weapon to a pass happy team like GB or a run heavy team like us. He’s Marshall Faulk. There isn’t a team in the league that doesn’t need his skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 13 hours ago, JaCrispy said: While that sounds like a good idea something tells me this regime won’t see it that way That what i am thinking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not sure what you are getting at? He caught 85 balls and had 1,300 yards on the ground (and missed a game). Bell would be an elite weapon to a pass happy team like GB or a run heavy team like us. He’s Marshall Faulk. There isn’t a team in the league that doesn’t need his skill set. You were comparing his receptions to the Bills' receivers. I was saying the difference in QB's is massive and that Shady could get that many receptions with a QB like Roeth, at half the price. Edited July 17, 2018 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 110% absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Bell was the 48th pick. How is your statement german to this thread? I thought Gugny was Chinese. He speaks German too? Dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: You were comparing his receptions to the Bills' receivers. I was saying the difference in QB's is massive. For a RB that is irrelevant. Shady caught the most balls on our team by 10. Teams that focus on throwing to the RB will see results. It doesn’t matter if Nate Peterman is throwing him the ball or Tom Brady. RB receptions aren’t dependent on quality passers. It is dependent on quality pass catching backs. Duke Johnson caught 74 balls last year. There is no correlation between QB quality and RB receptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not sure what you are getting at? He caught 85 balls and had 1,300 yards on the ground (and missed a game). Bell would be an elite weapon to a pass happy team like GB or a run heavy team like us. He’s Marshall Faulk. There isn’t a team in the league that doesn’t need his skill set. There isn’t a team in the league who should overpay a guy with his amount of touches. The Steelers have used and abused him, he will have more career touches than Demarco Murray by seasons end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: For a RB that is irrelevant. Shady caught the most balls on our team by 10. Teams that focus on throwing to the RB will see results. It doesn’t matter if Nate Peterman is throwing him the ball or Tom Brady. RB receptions aren’t dependent on quality passers. It is dependent on quality pass catching backs. Duke Johnson caught 74 balls last year. There is no correlation between QB quality and RB receptions. I added more to my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Commonsense said: There isn’t a team in the league who should overpay a guy with his amount of touches. The Steelers have used and abused him, he will have more career touches than Demarco Murray by seasons end. He’s going to get around $15m a year for 3 or 4 years (right or wrong). The teams that can afford to do that are teams with QBs on rookie contracts. A team totally devoid of weapons (especially if Shady is gone) makes a lot of sense. 16 minutes ago, Doc said: You were comparing his receptions to the Bills' receivers. I was saying the difference in QB's is massive and that Shady could get that many receptions with a QB like Roeth, at half the price. Maybe so, but Theo Riddick can get you that many receptions at 20% of his price. The entire point is that the QB is irrelevant (as evidenced by Duke Johnson’s 74 catches). You can find backs to catch a lot of balls cheap. You can’t find guys that rush for 1,300 yards and catch 85 balls cheap. That’s Marshall Faulk territory. The Bills have 1 weapon and they may not even have him. If Shady goes I don’t know why anyone would be opposed to adding a guy that would give you 1,300 on the ground and instantly be your best receiver? The cap isn’t an issue. You can take him for a few years and get as much out of him as you can. If he is done after 3 years, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I thought Gugny was Chinese. He speaks German too? Dang! This is german with a little “g” meaning how does it pertain to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: This is german with a little “g” meaning how does it pertain to this thread. You serious, Clark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: You serious, Clark? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) From a talent perspective and what he would give a rookie QB, I love it. Realistically though I’m not sure this regime would feel he’s a fit for their “1/11th” philosophy. I’m all for players getting as much as they can while they can. But bell’s reluctance to take these giant deals from the Steelers two years in a row shows me he is more concerned about being paid like an elite offensive weapon than he is about winning. He’s being presented with one of the best situations in the league to win now and put up huge numbers, while getting 15 mill/yr (30 gtd) which is what he said he wanted. He is choosing to go elsewhere because he thinks he can get even more. He’s also another failed/missed drug test away from 10 game suspension i believe. I’m familiar with the crew he still hangs out with from his HS and it’s not good. I don’t think his mindset fits what this regime wants, unfortunately, because I would love to have him. Edited July 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Starr Almighty said: He's 26 so it'll be like getting shady again and having 3 very productive seasons by the age of 30. So at most you give him 4 years. Makes sense when our QB is on his rookie deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I would be good with going after Bell as long as the Bills fix their Oline this season and next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Bell was the 48th pick. How is your statement german to this thread? 45 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I thought Gugny was Chinese. He speaks German too? Dang! 20 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: This is german with a little “g” meaning how does it pertain to this thread. REPORTANDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I’d rather the Bills identify their own Bell in the second round of next year’s draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I’d rather the Bills identify their own Bell in the second round of next year’s draft. If there is a prospect out there that can generate 1800+ rushing and receiving yards annually, he'll go in the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: If there is a prospect out there that can generate 1800+ rushing and receiving yards annually, he'll go in the top 5. Yeah I think it’s relatively rare to have a legit running/receiving threat with proven production in both in the draft which is why Barkley went so high. Now David Johnson did go in the 3rd, but I think that was due to him playing against lesser competition. Edited July 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 No.... 1 hour ago, Doc said: I’d rather the Bills identify their own Bell in the second round of next year’s draft. That's where I'm at. I think another pass rusher or two, right tackle and WR should be the majority of the focus next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah I think it’s relatively rare to have a legit running/receiving threat with proven production in both in the draft which is why Barkley went so high. Now David Johnson did go in the 3rd, but I think that was due to him playing against lesser competition. Don't forget Alvin Kamara last year was the same thing. I think the guy had 80+ receptions. It feels to me like the NFL is entering a new norm where teams have multiple guys that run the ball, but that RB's are a lot more involved in the receiving game. I might be wrong, and will say that I have not looked at the historical statistics on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Don't forget Alvin Kamara last year was the same thing. I think the guy had 80+ receptions. It feels to me like the NFL is entering a new norm where teams have multiple guys that run the ball, but that RB's are a lot more involved in the receiving game. I might be wrong, and will say that I have not looked at the historical statistics on this. HOF QB and a top 10 offensive line always helps. Kamara and Ingram compliment each other really well. We have been spoiled by players like Kamara, Hunt, Johnson and Jordan Howard, but teams are still doing really well drafting RBs high. Fournette, Elliot, Gurley have all excelled and are a critical reason those teams had winning records. Barkley should be in that class real soon. Considering how depressed the RB market is, it's crazy that more teams aren't investing in that area. Two Pro Bowl WRs will cost you $25-$35m. Two Pro Bowl RBs could be had for $15m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: HOF QB and a top 10 offensive line always helps. Kamara and Ingram compliment each other really well. We have been spoiled by players like Kamara, Hunt, Johnson and Jordan Howard, but teams are still doing really well drafting RBs high. Fournette, Elliot, Gurley have all excelled and are a critical reason those teams had winning records. Barkley should be in that class real soon. Considering how depressed the RB market is, it's crazy that more teams aren't investing in that area. Two Pro Bowl WRs will cost you $25-$35m. Two Pro Bowl RBs could be had for $15m. Kamara to Ingram: "That's a really sharp teal suit that you have there". Ingram to Kamara: "I like the new haircut....are those new shoes?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Luxy312 said: Kamara to Ingram: "That's a really sharp teal suit that you have there". Ingram to Kamara: "I like the new haircut....are those new shoes?" Kamara to Ingram: "Yeah, they're shoes that only non-PED using RB's are allowed to don. Sorry bro." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Haha, this would be such a Bills move. Pay $20 million/ year for a rb in a passing league who is one strike away from a year long suspension. i always favor the players getting every cent they can. But because of his position and suspensions, Bell has no leverage. He is probsbly going to lose a lot of money by not signing that deal. Pittsburgh might have the most talented roster but guys like Bell and Brown are completely selfish (I don’t fully blame them) and it is hurting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha, this would be such a Bills move. Pay $20 million/ year for a rb in a passing league who is one strike away from a year long suspension. i always favor the players getting every cent they can. But because of his position and suspensions, Bell has no leverage. He is probsbly going to lose a lot of money by not signing that deal. Pittsburgh might have the most talented roster but guys like Bell and Brown are completely selfish (I don’t fully blame them) and it is hurting them. Kind of an odd statement, considering the Bills haven't paid a non-QB offensive player more than $8M/year, well, ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Kind of an odd statement, considering the Bills haven't paid a non-QB offensive player more than $8M/year, well, ever. It was hyperbole but given what Bell wants, it may not be that far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It was hyperbole but given what Bell wants, it may not be that far off. First-off, let me correct a mistake. Glenn got $12M/year, but he's the only player outside of QB to get anything over $8M/year. As for Bell, he can ask for what he wants. Whether he gets it is anyone's guess, but it won't be from the Bills and probably not from anyone else either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 You don't overpay for RB's in today's NFL. You either have a RB by committee to keep fresh legs out there or take advantage of the rookie wage scale by drafting a stud RB (Gurley, Elliott, Hunt). QB's, OL, and WR should be your priority on offense when it comes to a 2nd contract or free agency. Bell is taking a risk given his injury history and he'll be 27 at this time next year. Best of luck to him, but I don't see Beane overpaying for a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Doc said: First-off, let me correct a mistake. Glenn got $12M/year, but he's the only player outside of QB to get anything over $8M/year. As for Bell, he can ask for what he wants. Whether he gets it is anyone's guess, but it won't be from the Bills and probably not from anyone else either. I don’t think so either but this new regime seems to have an outdated view of football given the 8 fullbacks, 20 rbs, and 65 slot receivers they have brought on (hyperbole!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 4:48 PM, TheElectricCompany said: For 2 years and 32M, sure! Sorry- no RB has that kind of value in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t think so either but this new regime seems to have an outdated view of football given the 8 fullbacks, 20 rbs, and 65 slot receivers they have brought on (hyperbole!). Given the cap situation, lower-tier RB's, FB's, and slot receivers are cheaper. And realize that the Cheaters spent virtually as much on RB's as the Bills did this past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Bell is the only RB in the league I would take over Shady and is a truly elite player. He'd be worth every penny, but it would be a LOT of pennies and it would look real bad after 2-3 years when he declines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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