Stream Bills games on CBS All Access

[Matt_In_NH]

12 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Not true. IPTV falls into the grey option.

 

 

 

Most of the people who consider it grey are people use it and they use that argument to justify something that his wrong.  People are being prosecuted who use it illegally.   Streaming is not some magically thing, it is downloading to your hardware even if at any given time you only have a small piece, its still illegal.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

20 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

You are correct to an extent.  What this means is that whatever game is on your local CBS feed, that’s the game available.  I live in Virginia, so there are occasionally times that the Bills are the local game (NE matchups, Baltimore likely week 1 this season).  For me, I would get those games.  The other 14 weeks?  I’d get the national game and Baltimore games.  

So for people in and around buffalo, an antenna works.  For people outside buffalo, we would only get the game if it was on the local CBS feed.  Basically, I still need Sunday Ticket.  

 

Reddit

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Most of the people who consider it grey are people use it and they use that argument to justify something that his wrong.  People are being prosecuted who use it illegally.   Streaming is not some magically thing, it is downloading to your hardware even if at any given time you only have a small piece, its still illegal.

 

Not if you are using a VPN.

[PromoTheRobot]

20 hours ago, nucci said:

Alternative to DirecTV?

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/cbs_all_access_to_stream_buffalo_bills_games_on_mobile_in_2018.html

 

If you are a Verizon Wireless customer you get the same deal when using the NFL app. Any local or national game. But with one catch. Your ability to use Chromecast is disabled. So you can only watch the game on your phone.

16 hours ago, uticaclub said:

NFL Mobile has had this for free on Verizon for years

 

[DallasBillsFan1]

You have to watch on phone or tablet ... unless you can cast it up on your TV screen (mirroring).

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Ok, to make sure I understand this: They allow streaming, but only if you are in market?

 

Is it possible to access via computer? Can you VPN to access it?

 

I really would like to watch games legally, but I am pretty sure I can't do DirecTV in my area and this sounds more than affordable.

[Charles Romes]

I can stream onto my mobile all games that are being played locally through my cable provider (verizon) and NFL Game Pass by forking over the $100 for NFL Game Pass.  Game Pass allows you to watch all preseason games live over the Internet and also any regular season game over the Internet after it's over.  

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

Not if you are using a VPN.

 

A VPN makes it legal or makes you a smart at stealing?  If you are seeing content that you normally would have to pay for, it is illegal.

[nucci]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If you are a Verizon Wireless customer you get the same deal when using the NFL app. Any local or national game. But with one catch. Your ability to use Chromecast is disabled. So you can only watch the game on your phone.

 

Thanks, I read it wrong so it's not really anything new or special...Still have to call Directv for my annual  discounts

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

23 hours ago, eball said:

If I understand this correctly it is only for in-market games.  If you live outside of the Buffalo market DirecTV is still going to be the only option.

Well that sucks, I only really pay for direct tv for just the Bills.

[eball]

1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Well that sucks, I only really pay for direct tv for just the Bills.

 

I hear ya.  If not for the Bills I'd probably cut the cord for good and do streaming or antenna only.  But man, I love that Sunday Ticket.

[Buffalo Boy]

22 hours ago, FluffHead said:

I have heard there is a popular discussion type website that rhymes with Breddit that usually has the games available 

Am planning to research this live this season while keeping DTV. If it looks good, I’m planning on cutting out the DTV after 20 years. Too expensive for just basic monthly service I don’t use.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

21 hours ago, Acantha said:

Yes.  The phone number, or even where the service is started/billed doesn't help.  You have to be using local towers to get the games.

 

Technically, it's based off of your phone's GPS location services, not necessarily the towers. That's how it is with the NFL Mobile App for Verizon Wireless. I assume it will be the same thing with the CBS service. 

 

But there's a work around for that. I live in Central FL, but I was able to stream the Bills games on my phone via NFL Mobile. 

 

What I haven't seen mentioned in the article or in this thread so far is how streaming via the CBS platform effects your cellular data. NFL Mobile allows streaming without using any data. All you need is an internet connection, be it WiFi or 3G/4G (that's where the cell towers come into play). 

21 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

So, syncing to my laptop wouldn't work? It certainly does when purchasing Directv

So if a truck driver paid for this service, he wouldn't get the game he paid for unless he was in western NY? Sounds unworthy of ANY monies paid then

 

It's worthy to the NFL, because they are trying to adjust to the growing movement of people cutting the cord. So many people these days just pay for internet, and maybe a few streaming services for their entertainment. It saves money, by not paying for 200 channels at a certain rate, while only watching 10 if them.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, mattynh said:

 

A VPN makes it legal or makes you a smart at stealing?  If you are seeing content that you normally would have to pay for, it is illegal.

A VPN can make it possible for you to use a legal service, for which you pay for, as if you were using it out of a specific location. 

 

You are still paying, you are still watching commercials and you are still generating revenue for the league. I just really wish they would stop this ridiculous "stream but only within an arbitrary distance" nonsense.

[BuffaloHokie13]

14 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

A VPN can make it possible for you to use a legal service, for which you pay for, as if you were using it out of a specific location. 

 

You are still paying, you are still watching commercials and you are still generating revenue for the league. I just really wish they would stop this ridiculous "stream but only within an arbitrary distance" nonsense.

But then they would learn that some of these 'small market' teams aren't such small markets.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

19 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

Once that contract is done - my guess is they will open up a true fully functioning streaming option along with a TV option to try and double dip and get more money.

 

I've been thinking that would have happened the last couple of contract but DTV backs up the brinks truck and offers the NFL more money than they can get elsewhere so they sign up again.  DTV know without ST, they'd be out of business quickly as many more will dump them in droves, even so more people are cutting the cord as not worth $100 a month or more, plus the price of ST on top of that and will go to these "grey" area legal options like VPN, Reddit, etc. 

 

40 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

What I haven't seen mentioned in the article or in this thread so far is how streaming via the CBS platform effects your cellular data. NFL Mobile allows streaming without using any data. All you need is an internet connection, be it WiFi or 3G/4G (that's where the cell towers come into play). 

 

It's worthy to the NFL, because they are trying to adjust to the growing movement of people cutting the cord. So many people these days just pay for internet, and maybe a few streaming services for their entertainment. It saves money, by not paying for 200 channels at a certain rate, while only watching 10 if them.

 

Yeah the Verizon deal was a nice perk to customers could stream without using data.  NFL may find very few additional subscribers to this as won't want to pay for data.

 

If you live in western NY area, can still dump cable DTV, whatever and buy an antenna for over the air and can watch all the Bills games that way.  If out of the area, then this won't help you anyway.

 

I dumped DTV at the end of last season, bought a TIVO with an antenna.  I'm out of the area, so will be looking for another option for Bills games, probably will use Reddit as that seemed to work well last year.  I planned ot dump DTV at the end of the season so many weeks I'd try Reddit to see how reliable it was and for the most part, was never not able to get he game with pretty good quality.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

47 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I've been thinking that would have happened the last couple of contract but DTV backs up the brinks truck and offers the NFL more money than they can get elsewhere so they sign up again.  DTV know without ST, they'd be out of business quickly as many more will dump them in droves, even so more people are cutting the cord as not worth $100 a month or more, plus the price of ST on top of that and will go to these "grey" area legal options like VPN, Reddit, etc. 

 

That may change after the recent merger of AT&T and Time Warner. Granted DirecTv is now owned by AT&T, but a lot of folks with Time Warner or one of their subsidiaries as a cable provider could see an NFL package added if they win the upcoming bid and work out a deal to provide that. 

 

The merger was approved by a judge earlier this month, but is now seeing an attempted block by the Trump administration (they claim it could limit programming and drive up consumer costs, which AT&T is denying, but I feel like it's more agenda driven).

[Marv's Neighbor]

On 6/27/2018 at 12:05 PM, KGun12TD said:

UGH! I'm in Florida and this doesn't help me much. I had to suck it up and pay for DirectTV.

Don't you have any BILLS bars in your area?  Bars don't usually want to sign you up for anything, unlike Direct TV.

[Matt_In_NH]

38 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

 Don't you have any BILLS bars in your area?  Bars don't usually want to sign you up for anything, unlike Direct TV.

 

16 weeks of bar bills is more than sunday ticket.   And if you have sunday ticket you can watch a lot of other games you might not otherwise get to see.

[Marv's Neighbor]

19 minutes ago, mattynh said:

 

16 weeks of bar bills is more than sunday ticket.   And if you have sunday ticket you can watch a lot of other games you might not otherwise get to see.

That depends on your orders.  IF we end up sucking again, I will have another major withdrawal of enthusiasm, and won't care about "other games."

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ok, to make sure I understand this: They allow streaming, but only if you are in market?

 

Is it possible to access via computer? Can you VPN to access it?

 

I really would like to watch games legally, but I am pretty sure I can't do DirecTV in my area and this sounds more than affordable.

 

Yes you can use VPN/IPTV to watch anything anywhere basically.

[H2o]

I have a website I stream all my sports on. Bills games, Knicks games, UFC, Boxing, or whatever. No need to shell out any dough for this. 

[KGun12TD]

2 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Don't you have any BILLS bars in your area?  Bars don't usually want to sign you up for anything, unlike Direct TV.

 

There is a Bill Backers group about an hour away. I went a few time and met Steve Christie there. Its pretty cool. Although its nice to go, sometimes I just want to stay home and grill and enjoy the game with my family.

[Marv's Neighbor]

10 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

 

There is a Bill Backers group about an hour away. I went a few time and met Steve Christie there. Its pretty cool. Although its nice to go, sometimes I just want to stay home and grill and enjoy the game with my family.

Yes, I totally understand that.  If you're home there's no wait for the men's room, and you're always NO1 at the fridge, but for me, we have DirectTV, but I refuse to deal with them.  There are no refunds IF we suck, and having lived in DC, Chicago, Houston & Seattle, the "other" games really don't interest me!

[Rocky Landing]

Has anyone done Sunday Ticket on Roku?

[nucci]

5 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

That depends on your orders.  IF we end up sucking again, I will have another major withdrawal of enthusiasm, and won't care about "other games."

we made the playoffs last year

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

That may change after the recent merger of AT&T and Time Warner. Granted DirecTv is now owned by AT&T, but a lot of folks with Time Warner or one of their subsidiaries as a cable provider could see an NFL package added if they win the upcoming bid and work out a deal to provide that. 

 

The merger was approved by a judge earlier this month, but is now seeing an attempted block by the Trump administration (they claim it could limit programming and drive up consumer costs, which AT&T is denying, but I feel like it's more agenda driven).

 

This merger with Time Warner don't believe it's with the part of the business that provides cable and internet access.  This is the part of Time Warner that produces content that then could then be broadcast via AT&T or DTV.  

 

Time Warner sold their internet access and cable part of the business off a year or 2 ago to Charter which then re-branded it to Spectrum

 

So no one is "with Time Warner" anymore unless you are a movie producer

 

If anything the could give more ability for the content to be distributed only via DTV

Edited June 29, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[cba fan]

9 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

16 weeks of bar bills is more than sunday ticket.   And if you have sunday ticket you can watch a lot of other games you might not otherwise get to see.

A big bar has all the games on.

 

If you limit alcohol intake the bar becomes affordable.

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

If you limit alcohol intake the bar becomes affordable.

 

 

But then being at the bar becomes a weird thing no?

[biggerdaddynj]

9 hours ago, H2o said:

I have a website I stream all my sports on. Bills games, Knicks games, UFC, Boxing, or whatever. No need to shell out any dough for this. 

 

Use a VPN when streaming and don’t download anything only stream it and never distribute content.  End users are not the targets the gov’t lacks the resources to go after the millions and millions of people doing this—it’s the distributors and the businesses that sell those preloaded set top boxes that they go after (the gov’t needs to prioritize the use of its limited investigative and prosecutorial resources).  

 

Why do you think Amazon sells so many Fire Sticks?  They know damn well what most people are doing with them or they’d manufacture them with safeguards to stop it.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

8 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

This merger with Time Warner don't believe it's with the part of the business that provides cable and internet access.  This is the part of Time Warner that produces content that then could then be broadcast via AT&T or DTV.  

 

Time Warner sold their internet access and cable part of the business off a year or 2 ago to Charter which then re-branded it to Spectrum

 

So no one is "with Time Warner" anymore unless you are a movie producer

 

If anything the could give more ability for the content to be distributed only via DTV

 

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that was the case. TW still owns TNT, TBS, CNN, etc. if I'm not mistaken, so it will be interesting to see where that deal goes.

10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Has anyone done Sunday Ticket on Roku?

 

Yes, worked just fine.

[/dev/null]

So is this local broadcast only or any game anywhere?

 

If it's just local broadcasts, Verizon is already offering this (regardless of carrier)

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/11/media/nfl-verizon/index.html

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

2 hours ago, /dev/null said:

So is this local broadcast only or any game anywhere?

 

If it's just local broadcasts, Verizon is already offering this (regardless of carrier)

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/11/media/nfl-verizon/index.html

 

CBS All Access is geared specifically towards cord cutters. Even with all of the "free" (illegal) content available, there are still many people that already pay for the CBS streaming service, but couldn't watch any of that programming on their mobile devices. It was only available via pc, xbox, roku, chromecast, etc. Streaming live NFL games isn't new to the CBS platform. They've done it for a couple seasons now. The ability to stream on a mobile device is what's new.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat

[Punching Bag]

On 6/28/2018 at 4:36 PM, KGun12TD said:

 

There is a Bill Backers group about an hour away. I went a few time and met Steve Christie there. Its pretty cool. Although its nice to go, sometimes I just want to stay home and grill and enjoy the game with my family.

 

On 6/28/2018 at 4:51 PM, Marv's Neighbor said:

Yes, I totally understand that.  If you're home there's no wait for the men's room, and you're always NO1 at the fridge, but for me, we have DirectTV, but I refuse to deal with them.  There are no refunds IF we suck, and having lived in DC, Chicago, Houston & Seattle, the "other" games really don't interest me!

 

17 hours ago, cba fan said:

A big bar has all the games on.

 

If you limit alcohol intake the bar becomes affordable.

 

15 hours ago, beerme1 said:

But then being at the bar becomes a weird thing no?

 

There are people who go to bars who do not drink.  And those who limit how much they drink because they are driving.

 

I have a Bills bar locally, I am a Bills Backers club president (better check when annual mail comes) but I work long days on Saturdays and due to physical issues cannot handle driving each week.  I'd like a legal streaming option for Bills games but this does not appear to be one. 

[gobills1212]

On 6/27/2018 at 11:55 AM, Shotgunner said:

Heck of alot cheaper than the Sunday Ticket...

 

Buf if I read it right you have to be "in market". If you have to be in the Bills market, that also means you could just pick up an antenna and get them for free (minus tye cost of the antenna of course), and that if you subscribe to any type of cable you already get these games.

 

So in my opinion this is not a competitor of Directv

Digital migration 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

I'd like a legal streaming option for Bills games but this does not appear to be one. 

 

I did some light research; GPS spoofing isn't illegal (GPS jamming is illegal). If anything, you would be in violation of a user agreement, but that's if you get caught. With the right spoofing app, you shouldn't get caught.

 

Here's a snippet of the user agreement from the NFL, which includes terms of use for their mobile app, as well as other, non-related online features:

 

Quote

 Availability: The availability of the Products may be affected by a variety of factors, including game delays or cancellations, application of the National Football League's broadcast policy (which prohibits broadcast of football games under certain circumstances and in certain areas), technical problems or network delays, program rescheduling, or other reasons. In addition, please note that the content accessible via the Products may vary based on your geographic location and viewing platform. You agree that we are not obligated to provide you with any specific content under this Agreement.

 

Some other notable info:

 

Quote

You also agree not to: ........

 

(e) use any device, software or routine to interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of one or more of the Services or any activity being conducted on this Site;

 

(h) attempt to circumvent, reverse engineer, decipher, decompile, disassemble, decrypt, or otherwise alter or interfere with (or attempt, encourage, or support anyone else's attempt to engage in such activities) any of the software comprising or in any way making up a part of the Services.

 

So while spoofing them would appear to fall into one of those categories, it doesn't appear to be "illegal" so to speak, but I assume would be considered a violation of their user agreement. Certain violations within the agreement may be punishable by law, but I think it would be something far worse than spoofing, like illegally distributing content, online harassment or "hateful" commentary on one of their platforms, etc. You should read the entire agreement, just so you'll have a better understanding of what I posted, and also to determine if my interpretations of the terms are accurate. I know there's some "gray area" legally when it comes to loosely used terms, like what's in the agreement, so use your own judgement. Here's the link, 5-10 minute read:

 

http://www.nfl.com/help/terms?template=mobile-light&confirm=true

 

Like I said earlier in this thread, I was able to watch Bills games last year on NFL Mobile while located in an out of market area, and I'm not in jail, nor was I banned. I also have Sunday Ticket Max, so watching Bills games live via mobile was only necessary when away from home during games. Most of my Sundays consisted of Bills games on the big screen (Game Mix channel during commercials), #2 intriguing game on a 30" next to the big screen via tablet and Chromecast, and #3 intriguing game on my mobile by spoofing my location to the market of that game. 

 

The CBS All Access platform specifically is geared towards people that cut the cord and already pay for their service. Streaming via mobile is their new feature. They already were streaming CBS broadcast NFL games for the last 2 years, and I assume that some of those cord cutting subscribers were spoofing to watch their favorite teams, and now they can do so on the go. Sorry for the long post...I hope it was helpful.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

I did some light research; GPS spoofing isn't illegal (GPS jamming is illegal). If anything, you would be in violation of a user agreement, but that's if you get caught. With the right spoofing app, you shouldn't get caught.

 

Here's a snippet of the user agreement from the NFL, which includes terms of use for their mobile app, as well as other, non-related online features:

 

 

Some other notable info:

 

 

So while spoofing them would appear to fall into one of those categories, it doesn't appear to be "illegal" so to speak, but I assume would be considered a violation of their user agreement. Certain violations within the agreement may be punishable by law, but I think it would be something far worse than spoofing, like illegally distributing content, online harassment or "hateful" commentary on one of their platforms, etc. You should read the entire agreement, just so you'll have a better understanding of what I posted, and also to determine if my interpretations of the terms are accurate. I know there's some "gray area" legally when it comes to loosely used terms, like what's in the agreement, so use your own judgement. Here's the link, 5-10 minute read:

 

http://www.nfl.com/help/terms?template=mobile-light&confirm=true

 

Like I said earlier in this thread, I was able to watch Bills games last year on NFL Mobile while located in an out of market area, and I'm not in jail, nor was I banned. I also have Sunday Ticket Max, so watching Bills games live via mobile was only necessary when away from home during games. Most of my Sundays consisted of Bills games on the big screen (Game Mix channel during commercials), #2 intriguing game on a 30" next to the big screen via tablet and Chromecast, and #3 intriguing game on my mobile by spoofing my location to the market of that game. 

 

The CBS All Access platform specifically is geared towards people that cut the cord and already pay for their service. Streaming via mobile is their new feature. They already were streaming CBS broadcast NFL games for the last 2 years, and I assume that some of those cord cutting subscribers were spoofing to watch their favorite teams, and now they can do so on the go. Sorry for the long post...I hope it was helpful.

 

So if I wanted to watch iton All Access via my computer since I'm out of market, would need to use some IP spoofing app rather than GPS I'd assume??

[cba fan]

20 hours ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

But then being at the bar becomes a weird thing no?

Not really.

 

Most bars with best TV setup for sports is more restaurant than bar. You get a table and order food without alcohol. Then when done you can usually stay at table unless they are very busy in which case then just go to the bar and have a drink.

 

I go with a group of friends and several can not drink alcohol due to health reasons. No one working in the bar cares one bit. The drinkers order plenty anyway if they did care.

Edited June 30, 2018 by cba fan

[beerme1]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

 

 

There are people who go to bars who do not drink.  And those who limit how much they drink because they are driving.

 

I have a Bills bar locally, I am a Bills Backers club president (better check when annual mail comes) but I work long days on Saturdays and due to physical issues cannot handle driving each week.  I'd like a legal streaming option for Bills games but this does not appear to be one. 

 

 

I went to a Bills Backers bar in Ft. Myers FL to watch a game once when I was down there. It was a good time but also WOW!     

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

12 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So if I wanted to watch iton All Access via my computer since I'm out of market, would need to use some IP spoofing app rather than GPS I'd assume??

 

Yes