Report: Baker Mayfield not ready to compete with Tyrod Taylor

[billsfan89]

That's not surprising. People **** on Tyrod here because they think that he was terrible but in reality, Tyrod was a top 22 QB in the NFL. Tyrod did not turn the ball over and he made dynamic plays with his legs both contributing with rushing yards and keeping plays alive. Tyrod made a lot of overly conservative decisions but he also made a lot of good decisions. Tyrod has been best described as a QB who plays up or down to his surrounding talent. Great QB's make the talent around them better bad QB's cripple an offense. The QB's like Tyrod in the middle are a reflection of the talent around them. 

[The Red King]

It doesn't have to be one or the other.  Good lord.

 

I am getting sick of TT supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't support him must think he's terrible.  And I'm sick of TT detractors thinking anyone who says he isn't terrible believes he's an outstanding QB.  There is a middle ground and some people, like me, are there.  I think Tyrod has his positives and negatives.  I think he was a good QB for the Bills, but it was obvious last season the team finally outgrew him.  They finally needed more then he could provide.  I think he is a perfect fit in Cleveland right now.  His ability to not make mistakes provides a stability that, for the Browns, outweighs Tyrod's inability/unwillingness to throw deep.  Tyrod can take them to 4-6 wins which, after 1-15 and 0-16 would be quite well received.  By the time the team outgrows Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready to go.

 

I am just sick of the "If yer not for us, yer 'gainst us!" attitude here.  Not everyone is a TT supporter or detractor.

[GaryPinC]

6 hours ago, The Red King said:

It doesn't have to be one or the other.  Good lord.

 

I am getting sick of TT supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't support him must think he's terrible.  And I'm sick of TT detractors thinking anyone who says he isn't terrible believes he's an outstanding QB.  There is a middle ground and some people, like me, are there.  I think Tyrod has his positives and negatives.  I think he was a good QB for the Bills, but it was obvious last season the team finally outgrew him.  They finally needed more then he could provide.  I think he is a perfect fit in Cleveland right now.  His ability to not make mistakes provides a stability that, for the Browns, outweighs Tyrod's inability/unwillingness to throw deep.  Tyrod can take them to 4-6 wins which, after 1-15 and 0-16 would be quite well received.  By the time the team outgrows Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready to go.

 

I am just sick of the "If yer not for us, yer 'gainst us!" attitude here.  Not everyone is a TT supporter or detractor.

Stop making sense for most of us!  There's plenty who see TT as you do.  We also realize his long ball accuracy has really sucked the last 2 years and I no longer consider it a strength of his.

[billsredneck1]

19 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If I'm Mayfield I'm just sitting on the bench just waiting for this guy to be fired.   Let Taylor win the starting QB job then watch the **** hit the fan. When the new coach is hired win the job and be the starter for 10 years.

it's gonna be fun watching landry and gordon complain about the ball not getting thrown enough....and if the idea is stack the box against tt, then balt., pitt and cincy could be a nightmare for tt to face.

 

so....my prediction is hue and tyrod are out by halloween and haley and baker take over.

Edited June 23, 2018 by billsredneck1

[billsredneck1]

7 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

That's not surprising. People **** on Tyrod here because they think that he was terrible but in reality, Tyrod was a top 22 QB in the NFL. Tyrod did not turn the ball over and he made dynamic plays with his legs both contributing with rushing yards and keeping plays alive. Tyrod made a lot of overly conservative decisions but he also made a lot of good decisions. Tyrod has been best described as a QB who plays up or down to his surrounding talent. Great QB's make the talent around them better bad QB's cripple an offense. The QB's like Tyrod in the middle are a reflection of the talent around them. 

tyrod is a reflection of a 6th rd. pick who was a backup and went to a team with no better option......thanks to the thankfully now gone gm.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 6/19/2018 at 3:10 AM, Rochesterfan said:

 

Is any part of that the fact the Browns were willing to trade a 2nd and a 3rd for AJ less than 6 months before?  More draft capital than they traded for TT.

 

 

Yet they passed on him all together when they could have just signed him without giving up anything. They believed the better option was giving up a third for Tyrod. 

44 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

so....my prediction is hue and tyrod are out by halloween and haley and baker take over.

 

I'll take that bet. No way is Hue out. Tyrod maybe. Could be injured or maybe Baker starts to play well in practice. But the Browns could literally start 1-5 and they would have like a 500% increase in winning percentage over the last two seasons. 

[Rochesterfan]

44 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Yet they passed on him all together when they could have just signed him without giving up anything. They believed the better option was giving up a third for Tyrod. 

 

I'll take that bet. No way is Hue out. Tyrod maybe. Could be injured or maybe Baker starts to play well in practice. But the Browns could literally start 1-5 and they would have like a 500% increase in winning percentage over the last two seasons. 

 

 

Or maybe they felt the could get TT and a one year deal rather than a multi year deal for AJ

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Bad news for all the people saying Mayfield was one of the more pro ready QBs. If he can't beat out Tyrod that's a bad start.

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

tyrod is a reflection of a 6th rd. pick who was a backup and went to a team with no better option......thanks to the thankfully now gone gm.

 

You have to be a moron to think that where a player is drafted is a reflection of how good or bad a player is. The Bills were trotted out some pretty terrible QB's for 15 years before Tyrod got here. A middling starter like Tyrod looked like a world beater compared to the EJ Manuels, Fitz (outside of that half-season where Fitz was good), Trent Edwards, JP Losmans and past his prime Drew Bledsoe (Outside of that half-season where Drew was good) of the world. 

 

So in 15 seasons the team got exactly 2 good half seasons of QB play and the rest of their play out of the QB position was pretty horrendous. So when a QB came along and was pretty decent for a few seasons it made him look like a world beater just because what came before him was such trash. 

 

I like Allen's long-term prospects better than I like Tyrod's so I am glad they moved on. But there will be some short-term pain at QB due to Tyrod being gone, we will be much worse off at QB in 2018 as AJ and Peterman aren't inspiring a lot of confidence and Allen is a bit of a longer-term project. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Bad news for all the people saying Mayfield was one of the more pro ready QBs. If he can't beat out Tyrod that's a bad start.

 

....keep in mind we're talking HUGH here.......the alleged QB guru.......look at some of his QB decisions during their prolific 1-31 "run".......and why would you anoint TT the "defacto starter" this early?......hardly passes the "OBJECTIVE analysis test" IMO......and he's just stubborn "know it all enough" to stay the course with TT despite what Mayfield kid shows....on a more rational approach, our "McD Trio" has Allen working with the 3rd team and ZERO mention of anointing a starter yet......IMO, there's a right way and then there's HUGH.......SMH....

Edited June 23, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Behindenemylines]

16 hours ago, grb said:

 

Oh lord. Another hair-brained loony-tune theory to take the long detour around what's obvious. I won't point out how well Taylor played when he had a good (nowhere near elite) offensive cast. I won't point out the crap situation he had last year. Those facts are like the 500lb gorilla in the room : If you can't see the beast, odds-are you're trying very, very hard not to.

 

Let's look at the latest version of someone trying very, very hard :

• Bad receivers aren't bad receivers because a craftsmen doesn't blame his tools. First, bad receivers remain bad receivers regardless. Second, the "craftsman" of this analogy didn't blame his tools - Taylor didn't trash his receivers. Third, other people are permitted to notice the difficulty of creating a swiss watch with a dull axe - even if it's taboo for our "craftsman" to say so. Besides, this isn't just gibberish, it's also completely false. I've known craftsmen. No one is more demanding or critical about their tools than they are.
• "You can say all you want that he had nobody to pass the long ball to"......because he didn't. Full stop. That's why you can say it. His "deep threat" was Chicago-freakin-Bears reject Deonte Thompson.
• Bad receivers aren't bad receivers because (insert long incoherent quote starting with "These are all NFL pros"). Last season Taylor was sixteenth in the league by NFL passer rating. Just above him was Matt Ryan; just below were Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton, and Derek Carr. Want to make a case a quarterback under-performed with the assets given him? Maybe you should start with Taylor's four neighbors. They all had much, much more to work with than he did.
• "TT just refused to ruin the only truly marketable asset he had..."  Our poster doesn't even bother to explain what this drivel means. If I had to guess, it's something to do with Taylor throwing few interceptions. Anti-TT-types have this bizarre obsession with making his low interception rate into a Tragic Flaw of intelligence, ethics, fortitude, resolve or manliness. Yep. That may be stupid, sick or pathetic - perhaps all at once - but it's their obsession. Reminder : Taylor had the same low interception rate the 15 games he had Watkins and Woods on the field - when he had a 8.25 ypa and threw 27 tds.
• "This was so apparent in so many games when he flat out didn't attempt the passes to wide open receivers"..... Ah, yes - all those "open receivers" streaking wild and free in the mind of every Taylor hater. I'm convinced they dream of them at night, perhaps counting them as they flow by like so many sheep. I admit to sometimes having inappropriate daydreams about luscious Hollywood starlets. The anti-Taylor crowd? They fantasize about about all those "wide open receivers". So many !!! Why, you can almost reach out and touch them, they seem soooo real......   

Speaking of real : Bills receivers were at league bottom in getting separation. There's a stat for that. That's where they were. Back in the real world. Not in fantasies.

 

 

Wow your undying love of TT is truly something to behold.  No looney tune here but if I was TT's manager I'd be having that exact conversation with him.  You know your out in Buffalo so what do you have that makes you desirable.  Certainly not your YPG passing.   

 

The playoff game was a true showing of what level player he is.  Solid backup but nothing more.  

 

As for having nobody to throw to seems lots of great QBs make great receivers out of unknown talent.  TT doesnt do that because of his skill level. Plain and simple.

 

Also please feel free to read my list and comment on what I said not what you didn't read.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Wow your undying love of TT is truly something to behold.  No looney tune here but if I was TT's manager I'd be having that exact conversation with him.  You know your out in Buffalo so what do you have that makes you desirable.  Certainly not your YPG passing.   

 

The playoff game was a true showing of what level player he is.  Solid backup but nothing more.  

 

As for having nobody to throw to seems lots of great QBs make great receivers out of unknown talent.  TT doesnt do that because of his skill level. Plain and simple.

 

Also please feel free to read my list and comment on what I said not what you didn't read.

 

 

 

 

....my CLIFF NOTES assessment.....when your viable, threatening, "to be reckoned with " passing game, especially DOWNFIELD, defines a "post" or "fly" as a 6 yd out to a TE, somethin' ain't right......when your WR's are INACTIVE or in the "Witness Protection Program" EVERY Sunday with a better chance of catching a t-shirt from the stands versus EVER seeing the pigskin, somethin' ain't right...AGAIN.....not sure what I left out....

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

News flash:  TT is no longer a Buffalo Bill.

 

There is a Browns board somewhere for those wishing to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of TT.

 

When does the season start again??

[The Red King]

2 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

News flash:  TT is no longer a Buffalo Bill.

 

There is a Browns board somewhere for those wishing to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of TT.

 

When does the season start again??

 

News flash: The way to avoid reading about Tyrod is to simply avoid clicking on threads with Tyrod in the title.  That actually takes less effort then posting.

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

You have to be a moron to think that where a player is drafted is a reflection of how good or bad a player is. The Bills were trotted out some pretty terrible QB's for 15 years before Tyrod got here. A middling starter like Tyrod looked like a world beater compared to the EJ Manuels, Fitz (outside of that half-season where Fitz was good), Trent Edwards, JP Losmans and past his prime Drew Bledsoe (Outside of that half-season where Drew was good) of the world. 

 

So in 15 seasons the team got exactly 2 good half seasons of QB play and the rest of their play out of the QB position was pretty horrendous. So when a QB came along and was pretty decent for a few seasons it made him look like a world beater just because what came before him was such trash. 

 

I like Allen's long-term prospects better than I like Tyrod's so I am glad they moved on. But there will be some short-term pain at QB due to Tyrod being gone, we will be much worse off at QB in 2018 as AJ and Peterman aren't inspiring a lot of confidence and Allen is a bit of a longer-term project. 

ok ....wait for it....this is where you tell me nate was a lowly 5th rd. pick .....right?

[transplantbillsfan]

12 hours ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Bad news for all the people saying Mayfield was one of the more pro ready QBs. If he can't beat out Tyrod that's a bad start.

 

Why?

 

Tyrod has established himself as an NFL starting QB with 3 seasons starting under his belt. And his conservative, protect the football style of play is something I think you'll find historically that NFL coaches love. I remember listening to separate interviews with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, and when talking about what they said to their QBs--whoever they were--regarding turnovers, it was that "a punt is a good thing."

 

Mayfield is brand new to NFL style offenses. He still has a lot of learning, by his own admission. It says nothing about Mayfield really that he's really far behind a QB who just started 3 seasons and has been in the NFL for 7, going on 8.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Mayfield is brand new to NFL style offenses. He still has a lot of learning, by his own admission. It says nothing about Mayfield really that he's really far behind a QB who just started 3 seasons and has been in the NFL for 7, going on 8.

 

Someone a few years back pointed out here that in an "open competition" pre-season, a veteran will almost always beat out a rookie.  They know more about learning an NFL offense, they know more about recognizing what the defense is doing, they'll make more of the plays the coach expects them to make.

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Why?

 

Tyrod has established himself as an NFL starting QB with 3 seasons starting under his belt. And his conservative, protect the football style of play is something I think you'll find historically that NFL coaches love. I remember listening to separate interviews with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, and when talking about what they said to their QBs--whoever they were--regarding turnovers, it was that "a punt is a good thing."

 

Mayfield is brand new to NFL style offenses. He still has a lot of learning, by his own admission. It says nothing about Mayfield really that he's really far behind a QB who just started 3 seasons and has been in the NFL for 7, going on 8.

 

Out of all the rookie QB's drafted in the first half of round 1 I would say that Tyrod is probably the highest caliber veteran starter the big 4 QB's out of the draft are competing for a spot against. I think Bradford you could argue but Bradford has that massive health issue and is coming off of a huge injury. 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Someone a few years back pointed out here that in an "open competition" pre-season, a veteran will almost always beat out a rookie.  They know more about learning an NFL offense, they know more about recognizing what the defense is doing, they'll make more of the plays the coach expects them to make.

I don't know if it's that uncommon.  Just off the top of my head in the last 5 to 7 years I can think of open competitions where a veteran was expected to win the job.  Wilson (Flynn and T.Jackson), Tannehill (Garrard and Moore), Carr (Schaub), and Wentz (Bradford) come to mind.  

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Someone a few years back pointed out here that in an "open competition" pre-season, a veteran will almost always beat out a rookie.  They know more about learning an NFL offense, they know more about recognizing what the defense is doing, they'll make more of the plays the coach expects them to make.

 

Yep... and not just a veteran, but a veteran who's started bunches of games the way Taylor/Bradford/McCown all have ahead of the rookies their respective teams have drafted in Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold. Allen has that ahead of those guys. 

 

I believe it bodes extremely well for Allen that the "talk-of-the-town" in this QB competition is not, in fact, the veteran, but is instead the guy who mere months ago lacked the physical attributes to play starting QB in the NFL for any length of time.

[eball]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Someone a few years back pointed out here that in an "open competition" pre-season, a veteran will almost always beat out a rookie.  They know more about learning an NFL offense, they know more about recognizing what the defense is doing, they'll make more of the plays the coach expects them to make.

 

It's the reason Vic Carucci claimed Matt Cassel would win the starting job over Tyrod three years ago.  He hung onto that until the opening game.

 

I still say this training camp comes down to whether or not McD "trusts" Allen not to make huge mistakes, because he can do things Nate and AJ can only dream of doing with his arm.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

It's the reason Vic Carucci claimed Matt Cassel would win the starting job over Tyrod three years ago.  He hung onto that until the opening game.

 

I still say this training camp comes down to whether or not McD "trusts" Allen not to make huge mistakes, because he can do things Nate and AJ can only dream of doing with his arm.

Technically Vic was right as Cassel did start the opening game at qb.

[eball]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Technically Vic was right as Cassel did start the opening game at qb.

 

I knew somebody would bring that up.  lol

[Teddy KGB]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Tyrod has established himself as an NFL starting QB with 3 seasons starting under his belt. And his conservative, protect the football style of play is something I think you'll find historically that NFL coaches love. 

 

I’d assume 80 % of the coaches think he’s a flaming bag of poop.   

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000887053/Patriots-vs-Bills-highlights-Week-13

[John from Riverside]

14 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

I’d assume 80 % of the coaches think he’s a flaming bag of poop.   

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000887053/Patriots-vs-Bills-highlights-Week-13

You should not assume that

 

But you already know that

[Kwai San]

This article is comical!

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782070-tyrod-taylor-isnt-browns-anointed-savior-but-he-may-be-just-what-they-need?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

Forgive me if someone already posted it....at the very least I didn't start a new thread!!!!

 

My one main complaint with TT - not once did he ever led a come back win of note - NOT.  ONCE.  A great game manager but not a QB who in the waning mins fo the 4th qtr put the fear of any god in any ones hearts.....cept maybe Bills fans......

[Rocky Landing]

On June 23, 2018 at 10:19 AM, billsfan89 said:

 

You have to be a moron to think that where a player is drafted is a reflection of how good or bad a player is. The Bills were trotted out some pretty terrible QB's for 15 years before Tyrod got here. A middling starter like Tyrod looked like a world beater compared to the EJ Manuels, Fitz (outside of that half-season where Fitz was good), Trent Edwards, JP Losmans and past his prime Drew Bledsoe (Outside of that half-season where Drew was good) of the world. 

 

So in 15 seasons the team got exactly 2 good half seasons of QB play and the rest of their play out of the QB position was pretty horrendous. So when a QB came along and was pretty decent for a few seasons it made him look like a world beater just because what came before him was such trash. 

 

I like Allen's long-term prospects better than I like Tyrod's so I am glad they moved on. But there will be some short-term pain at QB due to Tyrod being gone, we will be much worse off at QB in 2018 as AJ and Peterman aren't inspiring a lot of confidence and Allen is a bit of a longer-term project. 

What the hell are you talking about??? Do you really think that the millions of dollars spent on evaluating players entering the draft, and the people who spend their professional lives doing the evaluation have no idea what they're doing???

 

You may want to rethink that bolded statement!

[Punching Bag]

On 6/22/2018 at 11:19 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

LOL at Mayfield asking Cowherd if he played football past the HS level

 

He was being polite. Cur card  said pee wee level.

[Punching Bag]

On 6/23/2018 at 12:57 AM, The Red King said:

It doesn't have to be one or the other.  Good lord.

 

I am getting sick of TT supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't support him must think he's terrible.  And I'm sick of TT detractors thinking anyone who says he isn't terrible believes he's an outstanding QB.  There is a middle ground and some people, like me, are there.  I think Tyrod has his positives and negatives.  I think he was a good QB for the Bills, but it was obvious last season the team finally outgrew him.  They finally needed more then he could provide.  I think he is a perfect fit in Cleveland right now.  His ability to not make mistakes provides a stability that, for the Browns, outweighs Tyrod's inability/unwillingness to throw deep.  Tyrod can take them to 4-6 wins which, after 1-15 and 0-16 would be quite well received.  By the time the team outgrows Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready to go.

 

I am just sick of the "If yer not for us, yer 'gainst us!" attitude here.  Not everyone is a TT supporter or detractor.

 

I agree except he used to throw deep.  Deep ball appeared one of his best attributes when he  became starter.

 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Limeaid
typo

[Punching Bag]

On 6/23/2018 at 3:04 PM, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

News flash:  TT is no longer a Buffalo Bill.

 

There is a Browns board somewhere for those wishing to talk about the strengths and weaknesses of TT.

 

When does the season start again??

 

Make sure you add that to all of the other non-Bills topics to be ignored as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

I’d assume 80 % of the coaches think he’s a flaming bag of poop.   

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000887053/Patriots-vs-Bills-highlights-Week-13

 

That would appear to be a poor assumption.

 

17 hours ago, eball said:

 

It's the reason Vic Carucci claimed Matt Cassel would win the starting job over Tyrod three years ago.  He hung onto that until the opening game.

 

I still say this training camp comes down to whether or not McD "trusts" Allen not to make huge mistakes, because he can do things Nate and AJ can only dream of doing with his arm.

 

Allen is going to make huge mistakes.  It's what rookies do.

 

I think there are other factors at play, such as how well/quickly Allen learns the system and the playbook, and how well he is progressing at reading a D and understanding what his options are give what the D is doing.

 

It's my impression, based on very little - body language during interviews and the like - that Peterman is the furthest along right now at understanding the playbook and what he's supposed to do given the playcall and what he sees from the D.  The question is, where will he be when 1) AJ has 6 weeks to power-study and catch up 2) everyone has pads on and is playing faster.

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That would appear to be a poor assumption.

 

Which coaches besides 1-31 Hue would sway the number? 

 

Theres too much film out there of Taylor embarassing himself with terrible passing performances. 

 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[JohnC]

30 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Which coaches besides 1-31 Hue would sway the number? 

 

Theres too much film out there of Taylor embarassing himself with terrible passing performances. 

 

Cleveland knew exactly what they were getting when they traded for Taylor. They wanted a veteran qb who can protect the ball and be a place holder for the rookie qb they were going to select with the first pick in the draft. He's far from being an elite qb or even fall in the category of being good. What the Browns got is a veteran qb who can be adequate enough to give this team a chance to compete. 

 

Cleveland is in the same situation as Buffalo is with respect to the qb situation. As soon as each team's highly drafted rookie qb is ready to play he will replace the current placeholder qb. 

 

Last year the Browns didn't win a game. If they would have had adequate qb play that Taylor can provide they could have won at least four games last year. That's why they went out and got him, even if it is only as a short term starter. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

26 minutes ago, JohnC said:

That's why they went out and got him, even if it is only as a short term starter. 

Does Cleveland have an afternoon sports radio call in show where the host/hosts can whine/whinge about this situation?  It seems only fitting.

[Matt_In_NH]

On 6/23/2018 at 9:52 AM, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Bad news for all the people saying Mayfield was one of the more pro ready QBs. If he can't beat out Tyrod that's a bad start.

 

I completely disagree with this.  Tyrod is a pro's pro and experience counts for a lot in his case.  I get it, he will never be a true franchise QB but I am not the least bit surprised he would be the better option to start 2018 for the Browns.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Which coaches besides 1-31 Hue would sway the number? 

Theres too much film out there of Taylor embarassing himself with terrible passing performances.

 

There's also a lot of film out there of Taylor doing good things as a QB.  There's a lot of space between "think he's The Man at QB" and "think he's a (extreme pejorative)"   I'll start with our coaches, while they decided to move on, they've made it pretty clear they felt he did a number of positive things.  It was also reported that at least three other teams made serious trade offers for Tyrod, although less than the Browns offered.

 

I expect you know all this, and are just arguing an extreme position to be provocative.

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I expect you know all this, and are just arguing an extreme position to be provocative.

 

 

 

They're just trying to be 'The McLaughlin Group' of internet football message boards.  Hey, as moderator, wouldn't that make you McLaughlin?!

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's also a lot of film out there of Taylor doing good things as a QB.  There's a lot of space between "think he's The Man at QB" and "think he's a (extreme pejorative)"   I'll start with our coaches, while they decided to move on, they've made it pretty clear they felt he did a number of positive things.  It was also reported that at least three other teams made serious trade offers for Tyrod, although less than the Browns offered.

 

I expect you know all this, and are just arguing an extreme position to be provocative.

 

 

 

There is another aspect to Cleveland's acquisition of Taylor that some people aren't considering. It was nearly a universal given that the Browns were going to use the first pick in the draft on a qb. The Brown have been in this situation before when they selected Tim Couch with the first pick in his draft year. After undergoing the mistake of immediately exposing the top picked qb when he wasn't ready to start it is apparent that they learned something about handling a young qb. Kizer is another high round qb selection that the Browns put on the field before he was ready. It didn't promote his development----it damaged his development.  Without question playing qbs before they are ready to play were a major factor why both of them failed. Both qbs took a physical battering and both were overwhelmed.

 

I have been a critic of Taylor but what can't be denied is that he is a high character guy with a tremendous work ethic. That is the type of player and person that you would want Mayfield to emulate and be an understudy to.  

[Bing Bong]

On 6/18/2018 at 11:23 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

I don't mean to rip the scab off the Great TT Debate, but the bottom line is that TT is a serviceable NFL QB who can win games in this league with a fair to middlin' supporting cast.  I think Cleveland will be happy to win 5-6 games this year and I think TT is definitely able to do that for them.  He might not have been our "Franchise QB" or our "QB of the Future" but he is a QB who can win some games for a team and that's all Cleveland is looking for.  I wish TT the best of luck.

 

 

Preach brutha. He'll be in the league as long as he wants to. As a bad to mediocre starter, or one of the best backups. His career is destined to be a shorter version of Fitzpatspicks

 

 

.. which is awesome for a 6th round pick. I get triggered when people say he sucks. He's only one of the top 40 quarterbacks in the world. He must suck right.

Edited June 25, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

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3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Preach brutha. He'll be in the league as long as he wants to. As a bad to mediocre starter, or one of the best backups. His career is destined to be a shorter version of Fitzpatspicks

 

 

.. which is awesome for a 6th round pick. I get triggered when people say he sucks. He's only one of the top 40 quarterbacks in the world. He must suck right.

If you're using the rest of the world to evaluate the level of talent in the NFL, then not a single player who plays in the NFL sucks.