Report: Baker Mayfield not ready to compete with Tyrod Taylor

[Turk71]

It won't surprise me if Taylor has a decent year, the Browns have one of the better wr corps this year with Gordon, Landry, and Coleman, not to mention Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde, and Duke Johnson in the backfield, and Djoku at te. Definitely a whole lot more weapons than the Bills. They have added more talent to the d and they are bound to turn it around one of these years. 

   

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

This is an incredibly brave confession. I, too, believe this malice lurks in the hearts of many Bills fans, though they are loath to admit it. 

It’s interesting to me that people might feel that way. I honestly don’t care about former players once they leave the Bills, at all. They’re of slightly more interest in the scope of my involvement with the NFL because they once WERE Bills players, I guess, but the entirety of my personal fanhood is to the team and not the player. Always.

 

Best example of late was Jackson. I LOVED Fred Jackson. My favorite Bill since Thurman Thomas by far, followed his career like a hawk, whole nine yards...I loved the dude. Watching him on Sundays was church for me. Then he went to Seattle and outside an hour or so immediately afterwards I couldn’t bring myself to feel even a little bit about him except mild annoyance after he started trashing Whaley to the media regarding his release. And I don’t even LIKE Whaley. Different strokes I guess.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Taylor is what he is. Taylor will never put up multiple 250 yards passing in a row to win games. Taylor isn’t a franchise QB, if he was he wouldn’t be on his third team. Taylor is on the fringe of starting QB/backup. Cleveland will embrace him and he will probably have a few good games to start the season. Ultimately fans in Cleveland will see what we witnessed in Buffalo. 

I was in Cleveland a week ago and they are excited to  have Taylor. I can’t blame them when I look at what they have had at QB the last several years. 

[Teddy KGB]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

We got the floor of Tyrod Taylor the past two seasons.    

 

Fortunately the floor was rarely turning the ball over.

 

He'll never be a franchise QB but put talent around him and he turns into a catalyst for big offensive production. 

 

There are some dudes in that Cleveland WR corps and nice stable of RB's.........I expect that offense will be fun to watch.

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, grb said:

 

It doesn't seem like that hard a question : If Taylor is the disaster so many people yearn to believe, why did he play pretty well the only time the Bills put a good (not elite) offensive cast around him? That seems so simple, but ask and you hear every kind of nonsense. Let's take this thread alone : OldTimeAFLGuy is still selling his shtick Taylor lacks the "skill set" to throw downfield. But inquire of the old-timer why TT had one of the best long-games in the NFL when the Bills fielded a deep threat - and then you get deafening silence.

 

The Red King has this soulful theory it's just a "crisis of faith". Mercifully, this isn't a Garden of Gethsemane-style-thing, but lack of faith by Taylor in his receivers. About those receivers - rated one of the worst groups in the league last year - T.R.King has strangely little to say. But if faith is belief in the absence of evidence, then T.R.K. has it it spades. He believes (truly believes!!!) in all those wide receivers streaking free and clear every single play. Meanwhile, (back on home planet Earth) NetGenStats listed the Bills receivers as near league-bottom in getting separation. Of course faith can handle that fact, right?

 

But PeterGriffin has the most elegantly constructed nonsense of all : The league "figured Taylor out" at the exact same rate his offensive cast deteriorated. Two independent phenomena occurring in perfect sync, but having absolutely no relationship. Try disproving something that nebulous, huh?

 

It doesn't seem like that hard a question : If Taylor is the disaster so many people want to see, why did he play pretty well the only time the Bills put a good (not elite) offensive cast around him? Or for that matter, why shouldn't he play the same way when put in the same situation?

 

 

I think you two Taylorstans should upload a YouTube video of y’all watching the Browns games together. 

 

These amazing receivers will have Taylor recreating the greatest show on turf in no time!  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Hue Jackson is Vegas favorite to be first coach fired next season

 

Vincent Frank, Sportsnaut

13 hrs ago

 

 

It’s not terribly surprising that Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson will head into the 2018 NFL season clearly on the hot seat.

 

His Browns are coming off a 2017 campaign in which the team posted just the second winless 16-game regular season in league history. Jackson himself is now 1-31 as the Browns’ head coach. That’s bad. Historically bad.

 

According to Vegas, this futility has Jackson has the favorite to be the first head coach fired once the 2018 season comes calling. In fact, he’s the overwhelming favorite.

 

 

Opening odds to be the first NFL head coach fired (@betway):

Hue Jackson +350
Adam Gase +750
Marvin Lewis +1000
Vance Joseph +1000
Dirk Koetter +1200
Jay Gruden +1200

[HT02]

22 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Thats almost 4 times the production from last years home game against the Saints

 

9 for 18 56 yds and 1 int

But 56 very important yards!  We would have been blown out if not for those 56 yards!

[FearLess Price]

On 6/19/2018 at 12:23 AM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Good for Tyrod!  

 

 

Positive energy my ninja!!!

 

Happy for tyrod. When baker gets up to speed in ayear or two hes gonna be a beast.

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

Hue Jackson is Vegas favorite to be first coach fired next season

 

Vincent Frank, Sportsnaut

13 hrs ago

 

 

It’s not terribly surprising that Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson will head into the 2018 NFL season clearly on the hot seat.

 

His Browns are coming off a 2017 campaign in which the team posted just the second winless 16-game regular season in league history. Jackson himself is now 1-31 as the Browns’ head coach. That’s bad. Historically bad.

 

According to Vegas, this futility has Jackson has the favorite to be the first head coach fired once the 2018 season comes calling. In fact, he’s the overwhelming favorite.

 

 

Opening odds to be the first NFL head coach fired (@betway?

Hue Jackson +350
Adam Gase +750
Marvin Lewis +1000
Vance Joseph +1000
Dirk Koetter +1200
Jay Gruden +1200

I can't imagine Jackson getting fired in the middle of the season after letting him go 0-16 after 1-15.  He makes it through 16 more games before the axe falls.  It's either Koetter or Joseph, with Koetter as the favorite. 

[JMF2006]

9 hours ago, HT02 said:

But 56 very important yards!  We would have been blown out if not for those 56 yards!

 

Yeah only 47-10 and the Saints took their foot off the throttle in the 4th  

[YoloinOhio]

Lol

Edited June 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Lol

 

This might be the first Cowherd interview I listen to in about 5 years.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Captain Murica]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[grb]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Cowherd is a clown. Not only did Mayfield not stand for his half-baked crap, but BM was smooth and in control while answering back.

I'm sure that wasn't the kind of response Colin was looking to provoke.......

[formerlyofCtown]

On 6/19/2018 at 12:09 AM, The Red King said:

Not surprising.  Tyrod was brought in to provide consistency and stability to a train-wreck of a team.  TT doesn't lose games by making mistakes, and doesn't win them with big plays.  He may be mediocre, baseline, but right now that stability is more important to Cleveland.  By the time the Browns outgrow Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready.  This is why they traded for TT in the first place.

TT may actually have the supporting cast he needs to be successful in Cleveland.  Don't be surprised if he keeps that job until some of those guys want to get paid.

[wppete]

12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I like Baker a lot more after watching that interview. Cowheard trashed him all year and again in the interview and Baker fought back and shut Cowheard up.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

TT may actually have the supporting cast he needs to be successful in Cleveland.  Don't be surprised if he keeps that job until some of those guys want to get paid.

 

That would be very surprising. 

 

The Browns did not draft Baker #1 overall to keep him on the bench whilst negotiating a contract extension with TT.  The plan is to give Mayfield up to one season to learn, then put him out there.  TT is playing for a 2019 contract with his 4th team, and if he does well, he'll get it.  If he plays as he did here last year, it'll be backup $$

[formerlyofCtown]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That would be very surprising. 

 

The Browns did not draft Baker #1 overall to keep him on the bench whilst negotiating a contract extension with TT.  The plan is to give Mayfield up to one season to learn, then put him out there.  TT is playing for a 2019 contract with his 4th team, and if he does well, he'll get it.  If he plays as he did here last year, it'll be backup $$

Plans change

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Plans change

 

That they do, but do you think a 7-9 or 9-7 record for the Browns with TT as QB and 200-220 ypg would be likely to change those plans?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That they do, but do you think a 7-9 or 9-7 record for the Browns with TT as QB and 200-220 ypg would be likely to change those plans?

 

That would be hell of a swing up from 0-16.

 

I think if they get to 5 wins, I would consider that a success after going winless last year.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

That would be hell of a swing up from 0-16.

 

I think if they get to 5 wins, I would consider that a success after going winless last year.

 

Yes, having talked to some Browns fans recently, >6 wins would apparently make them quite, quite happy.

The question is would it change the franchise's QB plans wrt Taylor, who is a FA in 2019.

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

TT may actually have the supporting cast he needs to be successful in Cleveland.  Don't be surprised if he keeps that job until some of those guys want to get paid.

Mayfield will start by the end of the season.  The only question is when?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, having talked to some Browns fans recently, >6 wins would apparently make them quite, quite happy.

The question is would it change the franchise's QB plans wrt Taylor, who is a FA in 2019.

 

Taylor would have to have a Tom Brady type of year if they're going to not go with their #1 overall pick.

[eball]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Cowherd is such a prick.  So glad the only exposure I get to him is if something like this shows up on the board.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

(cowherd interview)

 

LOL at Mayfield asking Cowherd if he played football past the HS level

[YoloinOhio]

49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, having talked to some Browns fans recently, >6 wins would apparently make them quite, quite happy.

The question is would it change the franchise's QB plans wrt Taylor, who is a FA in 2019.

I think it would be highly unlikely for them to start Taylor past this year, regardless of how well he plays. It’s not common to sit the #1 overall pick even for the rookie season let alone past that. And the success rate of sitting even the 1st year is very low. I don’t think there has been anyone in the last 12 years or so who was drafted in the 1st rd let along #1 overall to sit the entire first year and then go on to gave a successful career. If Mahomes does it he will be the first in over a decade. Secondly, baker will already be 24 at the start of minicamp next season. He’s not some 21 year old baby like Allen and Darnold.  It makes poor financial sense to eat into his rookie contract window just to keep starting a guy who is not your future, when he’s already old for a rookie. Plus they would need to pay Taylor, who would demand a big deal if he performs well enough to even consider something like this. I think it’s much more likely that, if he does happen to take them to the playoffs or close, that he goes the Case Keenum route in FA and the Browns thank him for leading them out of the abyss of 1-31 and then move on with their future. 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

That would be hell of a swing up from 0-16.

 

I think if they get to 5 wins, I would consider that a success after going winless last year.

It has happened, Jax went from 3-13 to afc championship but that was with a HC change, new DC, and a much, much better defense. And softer schedule. I can’t see it with the talent on the Browns d. They have some good pieces in the front 7 but the interior DL is concerning and the secondary was historically bad that year so they need to make a big jump with a rookie and unproven unproven guys back there. They also have a shaky OL and tough schedule even with it being a last place schedule. 

Edited June 22, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it would be highly unlikely for them to start Taylor past this year, regardless of how well he plays. It’s not common to sit the #1 overall pick even for the rookie season let alone past that. And the success rate of sitting even the 1st year is very low. I don’t think there has been anyone in the last 12 years or so who was drafted in the 1st rd let along #1 overall to sit the entire first year and then go on to gave a successful career. If Mahomes does it he will be the first in over a decade. Secondly, baker will already be 24 at the start of minicamp next season. He’s not some 21 year old baby like Allen and Darnold.  It makes poor financial sense to eat into his rookie contract window just to keep starting a guy who is not your future, when he’s already old for a rookie. Plus they would need to pay Taylor, who would demand a big deal if he performs well enough to even consider something like this. I think it’s much more likely that, if he does happen to take them to the playoffs or close, that he goes the Case Keenum route in FA and the Browns thank him for leading them out of the abyss of 1-31 and then move on with their future. 

It has happened, Jax went from 3-13 to afc championship but that was with a HC change, new DC, and a much, much better defense. And softer schedule. I can’t see it with the talent on the Browns d. They have some good pieces in the front 7 but the interior DL is concerning and the secondary was historically bad that year so they need to make a big jump with a rookie and unproven unproven guys back there. They also have a shaky OL and tough schedule even with it being a last place schedule. 

 

Did a lack of consistent pass rush contribute to the secondary's problems?  I don't really follow the Browns.

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Did a lack of consistent pass rush contribute to the secondary's problems?  I don't really follow the Browns.

It was mainly lack of talent and gregggg’s scheme. The scheme was mind bogglingly bad. He couldn’t evaluate  his players within the scheme and refused to adapt. 

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Dalton said:

Mayfield will start by the end of the season.  The only question is when?

 

..last two Browns' seasons ended in September....just sayin'.......

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If I'm Mayfield I'm just sitting on the bench just waiting for this guy to be fired.   Let Taylor win the starting QB job then watch the **** hit the fan. When the new coach is hired win the job and be the starter for 10 years.

[Behindenemylines]

On 6/19/2018 at 11:52 PM, grb said:

 

It doesn't seem like that hard a question : If Taylor is the disaster so many people yearn to believe, why did he play pretty well the only time the Bills put a good (not elite) offensive cast around him? That seems so simple, but ask and you hear every kind of nonsense. Let's take this thread alone : OldTimeAFLGuy is still selling his shtick Taylor lacks the "skill set" to throw downfield. But inquire of the old-timer why TT had one of the best long-games in the NFL when the Bills fielded a deep threat - and then you get deafening silence.

 

The Red King has this soulful theory it's just a "crisis of faith". Mercifully, this isn't a Garden of Gethsemane-style-thing, but lack of faith by Taylor in his receivers. About those receivers - rated one of the worst groups in the league last year - T.R.King has strangely little to say. But if faith is belief in the absence of evidence, then T.R.K. has it it spades. He believes (truly believes!!!) in all those wide receivers streaking free and clear every single play. Meanwhile, (back on home planet Earth) NetGenStats listed the Bills receivers as near league-bottom in getting separation. Of course faith can handle that fact, right?

 

But PeterGriffin has the most elegantly constructed nonsense of all : The league "figured Taylor out" at the exact same rate his offensive cast deteriorated. Two independent phenomena occurring in perfect sync, but having absolutely no relationship. Try disproving something that nebulous, huh?

 

It doesn't seem like that hard a question : If Taylor is the disaster so many people want to see, why did he play pretty well the only time the Bills put a good (not elite) offensive cast around him? Or for that matter, why shouldn't he play the same way when put in the same situation?

 

I think the simplest reason of all has been overlooked.  TT knew he was gone after last year, before the season even started.  The only thing he had was his stat sheet and his scrambling to market when he left.  You can say all you want that he had nobody to pass the long ball to but its a poor crafstman that blames his tools.  These are all NFL pros, so with an even balance of talent spread across any and all teams reciever to defender matchups werent always against us.  TT just refused to ruin the only truly marketable asset he had.  Again great teammate, great guy, great work ethic... but average at best skillset.  THis was so apparent in so many games when he flat out didnt attempt the passes to wide open receivers.  Maybe I cant blame the guy with millions of dollars on the line, but it made for really bad football.

 

Needless to say the TT era is over, an new one begins and we will all see what happens with the Browns to prove or disprove our respective points.  

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..last two Browns' seasons ended in September....just sayin'.......

 

LOL....what's sad is it's true.  I can't imagine being a Browns fan the last 3 seasons....

4-44.  How in the world is that possible?

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL....what's sad is it's true.  I can't imagine being a Browns fan the last 3 seasons....

4-44.  How in the world is that possible?

A even better question is how in the world are they bringing Hue Jackson back with a 1 and 31 record lol

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

A even better question is how in the world are they bringing Hue Jackson back with a 1 and 31 record lol

I’m pretty sure that Dorsey wanted to clean house but Haslam wanted to keep him 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m pretty sure that Dorsey wanted to clean house but Haslam wanted to keep him 

 

Is Haslam wanting to keep him because they had such instability at the coaching position? 

42 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

A even better question is how in the world are they bringing Hue Jackson back with a 1 and 31 record lol

 

Who knows with the Browns.  

Just think about that, fans of the Browns have only seen 4 wins in the last 3 seasons....4!

What if on the Browns message board, they had a poll with the best win in the last 3 seasons.  They literally would only have 4 options.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Is Haslam wanting to keep him because they had such instability at the coaching position? 

That may be part of it, but hue essentially won the power struggle with Sashi

[BillsFan130]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m pretty sure that Dorsey wanted to clean house but Haslam wanted to keep him 

Ya it seems that way. Very interesting decision to say the least

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

A even better question is how in the world are they bringing Hue Jackson back with a 1 and 31 record lol

 

....well, getting to 4 and 44 would be an improvement in the right direction, correct?.....imagine back to back oh fer 16 seasons?....

[grb]

8 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

I think the simplest reason of all has been overlooked.  TT knew he was gone after last year, before the season even started.  The only thing he had was his stat sheet and his scrambling to market when he left.  You can say all you want that he had nobody to pass the long ball to but its a poor crafstman that blames his tools.  These are all NFL pros, so with an even balance of talent spread across any and all teams reciever to defender matchups werent always against us.  TT just refused to ruin the only truly marketable asset he had.  Again great teammate, great guy, great work ethic... but average at best skillset.  THis was so apparent in so many games when he flat out didnt attempt the passes to wide open receivers.  Maybe I cant blame the guy with millions of dollars on the line, but it made for really bad football.

 

Needless to say the TT era is over, an new one begins and we will all see what happens with the Browns to prove or disprove our respective points.  

 

 

Oh lord. Another hair-brained loony-tune theory to take the long detour around what's obvious. I won't point out how well Taylor played when he had a good (nowhere near elite) offensive cast. I won't point out the crap situation he had last year. Those facts are like the 500lb gorilla in the room : If you can't see the beast, odds-are you're trying very, very hard not to.

 

Let's look at the latest version of someone trying very, very hard :

• Bad receivers aren't bad receivers because a craftsmen doesn't blame his tools. First, bad receivers remain bad receivers regardless. Second, the "craftsman" of this analogy didn't blame his tools - Taylor didn't trash his receivers. Third, other people are permitted to notice the difficulty of creating a swiss watch with a dull axe - even if it's taboo for our "craftsman" to say so. Besides, this isn't just gibberish, it's also completely false. I've known craftsmen. No one is more demanding or critical about their tools than they are.
• "You can say all you want that he had nobody to pass the long ball to"......because he didn't. Full stop. That's why you can say it. His "deep threat" was Chicago-freakin-Bears reject Deonte Thompson.
• Bad receivers aren't bad receivers because (insert long incoherent quote starting with "These are all NFL pros"). Last season Taylor was sixteenth in the league by NFL passer rating. Just above him was Matt Ryan; just below were Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton, and Derek Carr. Want to make a case a quarterback under-performed with the assets given him? Maybe you should start with Taylor's four neighbors. They all had much, much more to work with than he did.
• "TT just refused to ruin the only truly marketable asset he had..."  Our poster doesn't even bother to explain what this drivel means. If I had to guess, it's something to do with Taylor throwing few interceptions. Anti-TT-types have this bizarre obsession with making his low interception rate into a Tragic Flaw of intelligence, ethics, fortitude, resolve or manliness. Yep. That may be stupid, sick or pathetic - perhaps all at once - but it's their obsession. Reminder : Taylor had the same low interception rate the 15 games he had Watkins and Woods on the field - when he had a 8.25 ypa and threw 27 tds.
• "This was so apparent in so many games when he flat out didn't attempt the passes to wide open receivers"..... Ah, yes - all those "open receivers" streaking wild and free in the mind of every Taylor hater. I'm convinced they dream of them at night, perhaps counting them as they flow by like so many sheep. I admit to sometimes having inappropriate daydreams about luscious Hollywood starlets. The anti-Taylor crowd? They fantasize about about all those "wide open receivers". So many !!! Why, you can almost reach out and touch them, they seem soooo real......   

Speaking of real : Bills receivers were at league bottom in getting separation. There's a stat for that. That's where they were. Back in the real world. Not in fantasies.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by grb