Kelly the Dog Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, greeneblitz said: Its pretty clear to most gms and scouts that have been quoted predraft feel that his value is not at qb, regardless what he or fans think. Or the Ravens? They like what he has been doing at quarterback so far a lot. He's playing other positions because he is so good they don't want him on the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Every team has 500 plays in their playbook (even if it's 100 basic plays). The quarterback has to learn how to call them all and where everyone lines up and what they do on them all in a generic sense. The idea that it is taking time out of his ability to learn the playbook/offense because of the 10-20 gadget plays they may put him in IMO doesn't lessen his ability to learn the offense at all. It's the same thing as 10-20 other plays. But as a guy that I believe will be limited in learning his 500 plays, I would personally rather he learn 20 extra pass plays. also, to run 10 gimmicks he needs to know several non-gimmicks off the formation. Put him at wr and suddenly in order to throw a few option passes and an end around or two he needs at least a basic route tree to be a threat. Practice catching, etc... If he’s third string so be it, but if he’s one snap away from needing to run the offense week one then I want him learning his position- which I anticipate being a challenge without the distract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: What does his mom think? WWLMD. on a serious note, a wrinkle like that could cause problems for defenses until they see it a time or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) This is basically to fool the Browns once/twice a season. Edited June 13, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, wppete said: They have to figure out ways to put Lamar out there. He’s too good not to be playing. I don’t think he takes Flacos job yet but eventually he will. If the Ravens go from Joe Flacco to Lamont Jackson, then they have failed. Which is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, greeneblitz said: Its pretty clear to most gms and scouts that have been quoted predraft feel that his value is not at qb, regardless what he or fans think. Well then they severely over-drafted the guy. Who takes a guy that high for a position he’s never played? I don’t know if he will pan out, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Playing Jackson at positions other than QB is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Listening to this guy speak it's hard to imagine him motivating professional football players to follow him. A good first step would be using full words and not giggling while bouncing all over the place while speaking. Some mentioned him as having skills similar to Tyrod. Tyrod is 10x more composed and professional. Lamar seems like a goofball. Time will tell but I don't get the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Robotulism Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Zebrastripes said: I think it's a terrible idea for him to line up at other positions. Yes he is a great athlete but I don't think he has the body type to take the punishment of playing wr or rb. They're playing him a LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Lamar Jackson will never be a pocket type passer. His wonderlic score was among the lowest of all the QB's drafted. He's a great athlete. Maybe they can find a role for him but it will not be as a starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Playing Jackson at positions other than QB is stupid. Drafting him in the first round was stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Augie said: Well then they severely over-drafted the guy. Who takes a guy that high for a position he’s never played? I don’t know if he will pan out, but... Lots of TSW posters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, transient said: Why does Flacco keep throwing the ball high and behind him into traffic? He is not doing that on purpose...….lol Flacco sucks balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 9 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: The coaches are trying to motivate Flacco. If he sees his competition maybe he will play better. /s They want Flacco to compete for WR ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 This doesn't fool teams....like lining up a RB as QB and having a QB line up at WR....just dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think he is not doing well learning the playbook or looking good in practice sessions. I'm guessing they are already trying to have him learn the WR position or he's not making the 53 man roster. You poor child of summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 They just tell him it's quarterback. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They just tell him it's quarterback. "Just line up under the guard. That's what Pro Bowl quarterbacks do, son." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Good for the Ravens if they're trying to be creative and jump start an anemic offense. The Bills fan in me hates that we play them first, so we won't have had a chance to see the sort of plays they are working on -- sometimes the gimmicky stuff works for a few weeks before defenses catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He reminds me of a more gifted Kordell Stewart. This is the right move by Baltimore and I still think he ends up being successful somewhat in the NFL at a position other than QB. All of the talk and posturing before the draft means nothing now. Harbaugh can spew all his rhetoric about having two QB's on the field and whatnot, but this is about using Lamar's athleticism to get the ball to him in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, eball said: Good for the Ravens if they're trying to be creative and jump start an anemic offense. The Bills fan in me hates that we play them first, so we won't have had a chance to see the sort of plays they are working on -- sometimes the gimmicky stuff works for a few weeks before defenses catch up. Next step: Billick on the sidelines with a clipboard and headphones...who's really the head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: The guy is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands. He reminds me of a more gifted Kordell Stewart. This is the right move by Baltimore and I still think he ends up being successful somewhat in the NFL at a position other than QB. All of the talk and posturing before the draft means nothing now. Harbaugh can spew all his rhetoric about having two QB's on the field and whatnot, but this is about using Lamar's athleticism to get the ball to him in space. He reminds me a lot of Tyrod Taylor, with the exception that he's less accurate; has more of a wind up with his throw; and is much more careless with the ball. Other than that though, he's great. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Lamar Jackson is right there with Vick in terms of he most athletic QBs ever. I can’t believe that he didn’t run a 40 for teams!! Apparently he ran a 4.34 last year at Louisville. That would have been the 4th fastest time at this year’s combine. He is explosive with the ball in his hands. I’m not surprised that the Ravens, who lack big play ability, want to get him involved. I’m surprised that he is good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: He reminds me a lot of Tyrod Taylor, with the exception that he's less accurate; has more of a wind up with his throw; and is much more careless with the ball. Other than that though, he's great. LOL. He’s a better passer just coming out of college than Tyrod is right now after ample NFL experience. AND he is a far superior athlete. Everybody knows that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 jackson should be a succesful nfl qb. with the right coaching and system. if vick can do it without ever watching tape jackson should be able to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s a better passer just coming out of college than Tyrod is right now after ample NFL experience. AND he is a far superior athlete. Everybody knows that... That's all well and good...but how does he compare to PETERMAN?! Inquiring minds want to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s a better passer just coming out of college than Tyrod is right now after ample NFL experience. AND he is a far superior athlete. Everybody knows that... His 57% completion percentage really does jump off the page compared to his peers. What an awesome passer. We haven't seen a 57% passer in generations.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: That's all well and good...but how does he compare to PETERMAN?! Inquiring minds want to know! Well, he can run a lot faster. ? Also, LJ’s arm is a howitzer compared to Peterman’s. Whether or not either of them can be consistently accurate in a NFL game remains to be seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: His 57% completion percentage really does jump off the page compared to his peers. What an awesome passer. We haven't seen a 57% passer in generations.... look at tyrods college production. jackson blows it away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Well, he can run a lot faster. ? Also, LJ’s arm is a howitzer compared to Peterman’s. Whether or not either of them can be consistently accurate in a NFL game remains to be seen. It's settled then. Jackson delivers the pizzas. 10 minutes or less thanks to 40 yard dash results. Edited June 13, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Whatever did happen to the Domino's 'Noid'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Luxy312 said: His 57% completion percentage really does jump off the page compared to his peers. What an awesome passer. We haven't seen a 57% passer in generations.... YOU compared him to Tyrod Taylor. I think that is a bad comparison. I’d say more like Vick than Taylor. Certainly a better passer coming out of college than TT was coming out of VTech. And LJ has improved every season. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: look at tyrods college production. jackson blows it away Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: YOU compared him to Tyrod Taylor. I think that is a bad comparison. I’d say more like Vick than Taylor. Certainly a better passer coming out of college than TT was coming out of VTech. And LJ has improved every season. Tyrod and him were both right at 57% completion. Can Jackson run? Sure. That was his game in college. Run first. I could care less. Vick was a generational talent and drafted #1 overall in his draft class. Jackson was the 5th QB taken and the last in the first round. ZERO comparison to Vick, other than in people's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Tyrod and him were both right at 57% completion. Can Jackson run? Sure. That was his game in college. Run first. I could care less. Vick was a generational talent and drafted #1 overall in his draft class. Jackson was the 5th QB taken and the last in the first round. ZERO comparison to Vick, other than in people's minds. have you even seen jacksons college passing stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: have you even seen jacksons college passing stats? Yup. 57% completion percentage. Inconsistent down the field. Long wind up on longer throws. 49 MPH pass release when the ball finally does come out. That's Nate Peterman slow. His PASSING metrics is why he was drafted so late. Nobody would question his ability running the ball. Averaging more yards rushing per game than Saquon Barkley should tell anyone everything they need to know about this "quarterback". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Tyrod and him were both right at 57% completion. Can Jackson run? Sure. That was his game in college. Run first. I could care less. Vick was a generational talent and drafted #1 overall in his draft class. Jackson was the 5th QB taken and the last in the first round. ZERO comparison to Vick, other than in people's minds. Ever watch Tyrod Taylor in college? Lamar Jackson is miles ahead of him in every facet of the game coming out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Yup. 57% completion percentage. Inconsistent down the field. Long wind up on longer throws. 49 MPH pass release when the ball finally does come out. That's Nate Peterman slow. His PASSING metrics is why he was drafted so late. Nobody would question his ability running the ball. Averaging more yards rushing per game than Saquon Barkley should tell anyone everything they need to know about this "quarterback". deshaun watson had the same arm strength. you're underrating his passing ability. he's a much better prospect than you give him credit for. he's better than tyrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Ever watch Tyrod Taylor in college? Lamar Jackson is miles ahead of him in every facet of the game coming out of college. Yes. Miles behind Michael Vick in every facet of the game as well. I would put him right there with Colin Kaepernick and expect him to last about as long in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Yes. Miles behind Michael Vick in every facet of the game as well. I would put him right there with Colin Kaepernick and expect him to last about as long in the league. Fair enough, man. I don’t even like Lamar Jackson as a prospect, but I don’t agree with your Tyrod comparison. You REALLY don’t like LJ. Did he steal your girlfriend or something? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: deshaun watson had the same arm strength. you're underrating his passing ability. he's a much better prospect than you give him credit for. he's better than tyrod. Watson was a 67% completion college QB. He was a pass first quarterback that could run as well. Remind me again where Watson was picked. Oh yeh, he was 12th overall and hte 2nd QB off the board. Could have gone first. What credit I give Jackson is irrelevant to what NFL teams give him. 32nd pick in the draft. 5th QB picked. That's all that needs to be said. All the man-love that you or others want to have for him won't matter one bit or change the facts. Telling someone "watch him in college" when I did and can tell you he's very inconsistent doesn't change facts. So much inappropriate man-love for Jackson. Reminds me of Nate Peterman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The way they're talking up the young man's abilities, I'm surprised he's not platooning with the defense as well. Give the Ravens time, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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