eball Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I honestly don't understand the hate that some people have for Tyrod. 8 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: I honestly don’t understand the blind love some people have for the guy. And really, there's the rub. I chalk it up to an all-too-common phenomenon on these message boards that we actually see in play on the US political stage as well. Nobody is willing to compromise any more. It's either black or white. Us or them. No middle ground. I don't understand it, I don't like it, and I don't know where it came from. You can actually like some things about a player and not like others. You can be optimistic without being blind to legitimate concerns. You can have concerns without blindly trashing everything. Sad, really. I'm glad I don't think that way. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, eball said: And really, there's the rub. I chalk it up to an all-too-common phenomenon on these message boards that we actually see in play on the US political stage as well. Nobody is willing to compromise any more. It's either black or white. Us or them. No middle ground. I don't understand it, I don't like it, and I don't know where it came from. You can actually like some things about a player and not like others. You can be optimistic without being blind to legitimate concerns. You can have concerns without blindly trashing everything. Sad, really. I'm glad I don't think that way. I think you are overlooking the average poster IQ at this forum. Intelligence and complexity of thought/understandings vary directly. That is to say, as intelligence goes up, so does one's ability to see the world with greater complexity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I honestly don't understand the hate that some people have for Tyrod. 3 full seasons of typical Tyrod is enough “film” to say he’s not great. That is not hate. It is telling what happened. • You want hate see the anti Peterman comments and the EJ bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, eball said: And really, there's the rub. I chalk it up to an all-too-common phenomenon on these message boards that we actually see in play on the US political stage as well. Nobody is willing to compromise any more. It's either black or white. Us or them. No middle ground. I don't understand it, I don't like it, and I don't know where it came from. You can actually like some things about a player and not like others. You can be optimistic without being blind to legitimate concerns. You can have concerns without blindly trashing everything. Sad, really. I'm glad I don't think that way. I'll take this one step further. With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do. I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose. He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down. In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him. I have said that, and been attacked from it on both sides. TT supporters blast me for having the audacity to see him as middle-ground and not an amazing QB saddled with the Bills coaching and players...and TT detractors blast me for suggesting he's anything more then useless. It's that absolute factor I think that annoys a lot of people. People aren't flexible. And it's that attitude that makes things worse. Fanatical TT supporters and detractors frustrate the rest of us who just want the season to start so at least one of the two groups might shut up based on TT's play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 TT is a whiner. Saying he would "love to knock the Bills out of the playoffs," is just a jack-a&& thing to say. He should realize he is NOT the reason the Bills made the playoffs. It will be interesting to see what type of leash he is given in Cleveland. Cleveland has one of the best--if not the best--WR groups in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, The Red King said: I'll take this one step further. With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do. I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose. He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down. In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him. I have said that, and been attacked from it on both sides. TT supporters blast me for having the audacity to see him as middle-ground and not an amazing QB saddled with the Bills coaching and players...and TT detractors blast me for suggesting he's anything more then useless. It's that absolute factor I think that annoys a lot of people. People aren't flexible. And it's that attitude that makes things worse. Fanatical TT supporters and detractors frustrate the rest of us who just want the season to start so at least one of the two groups might shut up based on TT's play. Not just about TT (which has really gotten old). Now the same thing is going on about Josh Allen. Beane, McDermott, and Daboll seem like reasonable guys and for that at least I'm grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 15 hours ago, TigerJ said: Just saw an article today (sorry - no link) that says Tyrod has outplayed Baker Mayfield, and it's not close. Hue Jackson has said Tyrod will be his starter for the full season. So, did Cleveland draft the wrong QB again? With the glowing reports of Josh Allen's minicamp performance, did Buffalo draft the right one for a change? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: TT is a whiner. Saying he would "love to knock the Bills out of the playoffs," is just a jack-a&& thing to say. He should realize he is NOT the reason the Bills made the playoffs. It will be interesting to see what type of leash he is given in Cleveland. Cleveland has one of the best--if not the best--WR groups in the NFL. He wasn't whining at all. Tyrod : I would 'love' to knock Bills out of the playoffs in 2018 (7:48) Cleveland Browns quarterback Tyrod Taylor joins "Inside Minicamp Live" to talk about the Browns' offseason additions, his relationship with his former team and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 4 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: I honestly don’t understand the blind love some people have for the guy. I don’t understand the apparent need to divide everyone into “blind love” or “haters” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: We all obviously hope we did. Several on this board (posting in this thread as well, I might add) are desperately hoping Cleveland drafted the right QB, too, while also simultaneously hoping that Tyrod sucks and is benched mid-season. These people are sad and might be a little miserable if Taylor isn't benched and if he plays well this season. Just be kind to them if that happens because they just won't know what to post about since half their time in the 3 months he's been gone has mostly been posting about Tyrod Taylor. Just give them a little pick-me-up if that happens while the rest of us go on caring about what happens with the Buffalo Bills rather than the Cleveland Browns. L oh effing L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: L oh effing L That high maintenance poster is good for a few laughs at least. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t understand the apparent need to divide everyone into “blind love” or “haters” Or those that mock the ones that aren’t ready to throw the towel in on Nate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: I honestly don’t understand the blind love some people have for the guy. Its really not that hard to understand..... He was a bill We are fans of the bills We want our players to do well He is no longer a bill What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve..... What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract. He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot..... He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Its really not that hard to understand..... He was a bill We are fans of the bills We want our players to do well He is no longer a bill What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve..... What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract. He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot..... He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team. "he exemplifies the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our lives" No. He does not. He exemplifies the, "when I'm getting criticized, I need to deflect and whip out the race card," mentality. I never held it against him that he was an average-at-best QB. It wasn't his fault that Ryan hand-picked him. That's like being mad at Maybin for being drafted too early. What are these guys supposed to do? But the second he injected race into the conversation, I lost every ounce of respect for him - the person. Glad he's gone. Hope he falls flat on his face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: "he exemplifies the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our lives" No. He does not. He exemplifies the, "when I'm getting criticized, I need to deflect and whip out the race card," mentality. I never held it against him that he was an average-at-best QB. It wasn't his fault that Ryan hand-picked him. That's like being mad at Maybin for being drafted too early. What are these guys supposed to do? But the second he injected race into the conversation, I lost every ounce of respect for him - the person. Glad he's gone. Hope he falls flat on his face. Gug....lets be real about this. You didnt like him before he EVER talked about race and your posts prove that. Its ok.....he isnt a bill anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Gug....lets be real about this. You didnt like him before he EVER talked about race and your posts prove that. Its ok.....he isnt a bill anymore I thought he was a crap QB, yes. I also thought he was divisive (in the locker room). But my negative feelings about him were as a player. When he brought race into it was when I drew my own conclusion that he's simply not a good person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy..... I've never seen anything close to blatant hatred for Taylor, but I have seen this gross mischaracterization of his critics many times, which has probably led to more vociferous critique of Taylor's play than otherwise might have happened. The anti-Taylor criticism has rarely if ever been personal in nature and it's usually very consistent: He's a mediocre passer in a league where having that limitation places a hard ceiling on the team's potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Just now, KD in CA said: I've never seen anything close to blatant hatred for Taylor, but I have seen this gross mischaracterization of his critics many times, which has probably led to more vociferous critique of Taylor's play than otherwise might have happened. The anti-Taylor criticism has rarely if ever been personal in nature and it's usually very consistent: He's a mediocre passer in a league where having that limitation places a hard ceiling on the team's potential. Then your not paying attn honestly.......unless there are certain poster's that you just dismiss as buffoons so you dont take their words into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Its really not that hard to understand..... He was a bill We are fans of the bills We want our players to do well He is no longer a bill What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve..... What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract. He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot..... He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team. But why continue to defend him after he is no longer part of the TEAM and say things along the lines of, just watch he going to take the browns to the playoffs and the bills will end up with the first pick in the draft? You understand that? If you do please explain, I just dont get it. Thats the blind love I dont get. Edited June 15, 2018 by CircleTheWagons99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: But why continue to defend him after he is no longer part of the TEAM and say things along the lines of, just watch he going to take the browns to the playoffs and the bills will end up with the first pick in the draft? You understand that? If you do please explain, I just dont get it. Thats the blind love I dont get. I cant defend that at all He is a former bill and took a shot at our bills in a interview......I am a buffalo bill fan before anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Then your not paying attn honestly.......unless there are certain poster's that you just dismiss as buffoons so you dont take their words into consideration. ...how the hell does anybody hate a kid chasing his NFL dream, specifically to be a starting NFL QB?....doesn't get any more repulsive or ignorant (same boat Peterman kid is in)......the kid just did not have the knack to make the passing game a viable, consistent threat especially downfield......five seconds to work with in reads & progressions is overwhelmingly SHORT....some can, most cannot.....he's moved on to a fresh start and allegedly Hugh is a QB/Offensive guru......certainly hope he can point the kid in the right direction towards the next level.....doesn't get any simpler than that IMO..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how the hell does anybody hate a kid chasing his NFL dream, specifically to be a starting NFL QB?....doesn't get any more repulsive or ignorant (same boat Peterman kid is in)......the kid just did not have the knack to make the passing game a viable, consistent threat especially downfield......five seconds to work with in reads & progressions is overwhelmingly SHORT....some can, most cannot.....he's moved on to a fresh start and allegedly Hugh is a QB/Offensive guru......certainly hope he can point the kid in the right direction towards the next level.....doesn't get any simpler than that IMO..... Looking at both sides of this...I can see how a fan would be offput if they felt TT pulled the race card in a interview. I actually dismissed that at the time...but didnt like his last interview taking a dig at his old team. And I was president of the TT fan club at a certain point and brought the punch and pie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: But why continue to defend him after he is no longer part of the TEAM and say things along the lines of, just watch he going to take the browns to the playoffs and the bills will end up with the first pick in the draft? You understand that? If you do please explain, I just dont get it. Thats the blind love I dont get. Why take shots at him after he is no longer part of the team? Especially ones that are blatantly false and easily proven to be? I'm not saying you specifically have done that, but most people aren't just popping up randomly to defend anyone. It's prompted by someone else who usually feels the need to take an unnecessary dig to continue to drive the agenda they've been pushing for the past 3 years. He's gone and people need to let it go, but certain folks on both sides just can't seem to stop bringing him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Its really not that hard to understand..... He was a bill We are fans of the bills We want our players to do well He is no longer a bill What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve..... What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract. He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot..... He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team. I agree with a lot of this. However the Bills did not "give" him anything. He earned it. He was a good Bill and left the Bills in a better place than he found them. Hopefully JA, AJ, and Nasty Nate will be able to say the same although it is far from guaranteed. Edited June 15, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Its really not that hard to understand..... He was a bill We are fans of the bills We want our players to do well He is no longer a bill What I dont understand is the blatant hatred for the guy.....as a human being he really is not a hard person to like....he exemplifies the "pool yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality that some of us have lived our our lives.....some of us identify with him......he turned himself from a late round pick into a starter for a professional football team and managed to qb a team to a playoff birth Sadly......it just was not good enough....those of us that had much respect for the guy wished that he could take that next step in his development and be the guy WE wanted.....but in the end he had reached his ceiling and was not going to improve..... What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog) in that there is a strong possibility that without that particular ideal time and situation for him he would not have gotten the opportunity to turn it into a lucrative contract. He could have easily fallen into that group of extreme athletes that were not qbs playing the qb postiion that never got their shot..... He did....he should thank the bills for it and move on and concentrate on his new team. I don't think he exemplifies the ""pool (pull) yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality at all.... He was more of a guy who worked hard in practice, but did as little as possible in games. He tried to skate by playing it as safe as possible, trying to do just barely enough in hopes the defense & others would get us a win. The word "risk" was not in his vocabulary. And I don't think people "hate" him, especially not as a human being, rather they hated the defense of him & his play style by those who refused to think objectively. I never hated Tyrod, but by year 3, I was one of his biggest detractors. There's not a single thing about Tyrod the person I hate. I also appreciate & respect him as a former Bills player. He played for our team, I supported him & hoped for the best while he was here, but I still acknowledge he wasn't a good QB. I wish him the best in Cleveland, and hope he brings them at least mild success (or at least similar records as he brought us), as that would be 100 times better than what they've had in recent years. Just glad he's not a Bills player anymore (although I wouldn't say our QB play will be an improvement this year either). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: I don't think he exemplifies the ""pool (pull) yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality at all.... He was more of a guy who worked hard in practice, but did as little as possible in games. He tried to skate by playing it as safe as possible, trying to do just barely enough in hopes the defense & others would get us a win. The word "risk" was not in his vocabulary. And I don't think people "hate" him, especially not as a human being, rather they hated the defense of him & his play style by those who refused to think objectively. I never hated Tyrod, but by year 3, I was one of his biggest detractors. There's not a single thing about Tyrod the person I hate. I also appreciate & respect him as a former Bills player. He played for our team, I supported him & hoped for the best while he was here, but I still acknowledge he wasn't a good QB. I wish him the best in Cleveland, and hope he brings them at least mild success (or at least similar records as he brought us), as that would be 100 times better than what they've had in recent years. Just glad he's not a Bills player anymore (although I wouldn't say our QB play will be an improvement this year either). You are entitled to your opinion Edited June 15, 2018 by John from Riverside cuz common sense got the better of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Nobody really cares what you think...your takes are beyond horrible. Right. Coming from the resident homer. Perhaps just ignore my posts next time instead of being an edgelord. Careful, don't cut yourself being an internet badass. Edited June 15, 2018 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob&Doug Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 DIE THREAD DIE !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: .....What I am not liking right now is the chip on his shoulder now seems to have been pointed towards the Buffalo Bills.....who frankly Tyrod should be just thanking for giving him the opportunity (much like Cog)..... Pruned to highlight the point I want to address... I think way too much is being made out of a comment arising from an elite athlete's natural competitiveness. Being a far cry from an elite athlete myself, I don't pretend to understand it, but when an athlete is dropped by one team and picked up by another, it seems pretty standard that they want to come back and show that first team what it's missing. I don't see what's so inappropriate, on either Cog's part or Taylor's. Gratitude for a chance is one thing, wanting to dominate as an athlete is intrinsic to these guys or they wouldn't be where they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bob&Doug said: DIE THREAD DIE !!!!!!!! ...I say swap Allen & McCarron straight up and let these threads "LIVE FOREVER".....why not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I don't think he exemplifies the ""pool (pull) yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality at all.... He was more of a guy who worked hard in practice, but did as little as possible in games. He tried to skate by playing it as safe as possible, trying to do just barely enough in hopes the defense & others would get us a win. The word "risk" was not in his vocabulary. Yowza. I couldn't disagree more with a take. I don't see how anyone who watched Tyrod run, and fight to extend plays - risking the concussion he got in Jax and other injuries - could claim he was "playing it as safe as possible" and "trying to do just barely enough" or that "the word risk was not in his vocabulary" I think you're mixing up the effect (Tyrod wouldn't throw to open receivers downfield, or throw guys open) with the causes. The causes IMO were varied, but included IMO Tyrod simply having trouble reading the D and reacting quickly enough to identify his likely mismatch. I also think he needed to really trust his WR (moreso than other guys) to take a shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: I've never seen anything close to blatant hatred for Taylor, but I have seen this gross mischaracterization of his critics many times, which has probably led to more vociferous critique of Taylor's play than otherwise might have happened. The anti-Taylor criticism has rarely if ever been personal in nature and it's usually very consistent: He's a mediocre passer in a league where having that limitation places a hard ceiling on the team's potential. Have you read Gugny's posts ? lol 31 minutes ago, Bob&Doug said: DIE THREAD DIE !!!!!!!! NEVER !!!!!!!!!!! 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Pruned to highlight the point I want to address... I think way too much is being made out of a comment arising from an elite athlete's natural competitiveness. Being a far cry from an elite athlete myself, I don't pretend to understand it, but when an athlete is dropped by one team and picked up by another, it seems pretty standard that they want to come back and show that first team what it's missing. I don't see what's so inappropriate, on either Cog's part or Taylor's. Gratitude for a chance is one thing, wanting to dominate as an athlete is intrinsic to these guys or they wouldn't be where they are. it really was a basic response. One of a competitor. Some have begun to argue with ourselves here more than just taking his more recent comments at face value. 42 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I don't think he exemplifies the ""pool (pull) yourself up by your own bootstraps" mentality at all.... He was more of a guy who worked hard in practice, but did as little as possible in games. He tried to skate by playing it as safe as possible, trying to do just barely enough in hopes the defense & others would get us a win. The word "risk" was not in his vocabulary. And I don't think people "hate" him, especially not as a human being, rather they hated the defense of him & his play style by those who refused to think objectively. I never hated Tyrod, but by year 3, I was one of his biggest detractors. There's not a single thing about Tyrod the person I hate. I also appreciate & respect him as a former Bills player. He played for our team, I supported him & hoped for the best while he was here, but I still acknowledge he wasn't a good QB. I wish him the best in Cleveland, and hope he brings them at least mild success (or at least similar records as he brought us), as that would be 100 times better than what they've had in recent years. Just glad he's not a Bills player anymore (although I wouldn't say our QB play will be an improvement this year either). I always felt he wanted to win as much as anyone or more. His running game showed that. ( His best skillset perhaps one might argue ) lol How he played the pass game the third season was befuddling to me. Bills needed to move on. They did. Best wishes Tyrod Taylor ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 By popular request we all need to let it go. That sounds like a resounding LOCK THIS THREAD request. What do you think @Hapless Bills Fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yowza. I couldn't disagree more with a take. I don't see how anyone who watched Tyrod run, and fight to extend plays - risking the concussion he got in Jax and other injuries - could claim he was "playing it as safe as possible" and "trying to do just barely enough" or that "the word risk was not in his vocabulary" I think you're mixing up the effect (Tyrod wouldn't throw to open receivers downfield, or throw guys open) with the causes. The causes IMO were varied, but included IMO Tyrod simply having trouble reading the D and reacting quickly enough to identify his likely mismatch. I also think he needed to really trust his WR (moreso than other guys) to take a shot. oops, i had not read all the way through again ! This better shows my opinion on Taylor as a Bill. right down to the last sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: I've never seen anything close to blatant hatred for Taylor, but I have seen this gross mischaracterization of his critics many times, which has probably led to more vociferous critique of Taylor's play than otherwise might have happened. The anti-Taylor criticism has rarely if ever been personal in nature and it's usually very consistent: He's a mediocre passer in a league where having that limitation places a hard ceiling on the team's potential. Other posts in this thread say "Hi!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yowza. I couldn't disagree more with a take. I don't see how anyone who watched Tyrod run, and fight to extend plays - risking the concussion he got in Jax and other injuries - could claim he was "playing it as safe as possible" and "trying to do just barely enough" or that "the word risk was not in his vocabulary" I think you're mixing up the effect (Tyrod wouldn't throw to open receivers downfield, or throw guys open) with the causes. The causes IMO were varied, but included IMO Tyrod simply having trouble reading the D and reacting quickly enough to identify his likely mismatch. I also think he needed to really trust his WR (moreso than other guys) to take a shot. Jocks eat this whole "chip on your shoulder" thing up. it's how they motivate themselves. Coaches thrive on it as well "they said we couldn't do it" blah blah blah. It's even part of "The Process". It was used to great effect by Coach McDermott and the guys last year and will too this year. I think it silly that people have a problem with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The name calling and hater accusations are growing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: By popular request we all need to let it go. That sounds like a resounding LOCK THIS THREAD request. What do you think @Hapless Bills Fan? I think that I'll move on as a poster, but keep an eye on it as a mod. While it's football-relevant and people are more-or-less civil to each other, the way to let it die is.... Stop Posting In It! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: By popular request we all need to let it go. That sounds like a resounding LOCK THIS THREAD request. What do you think @Hapless Bills Fan? ELSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Looking at both sides of this...I can see how a fan would be offput if they felt TT pulled the race card in a interview. I actually dismissed that at the time...but didnt like his last interview taking a dig at his old team. And I was president of the TT fan club at a certain point and brought the punch and pie ...more concerned with what happens between the stripes versus yips and yaps.......unfortunately, he did not have to skill set to make the passing game a viable, consistent threat, primarily downfield.....ONLY color downfield was GREEN.....BLACK or WHITE don't make a damn bit of difference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: By popular request we all need to let it go. That sounds like a resounding LOCK THIS THREAD request. What do you think @Hapless Bills Fan? Be the change you want to see. Stop posting in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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