Punching Bag Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I thought he played very well last year matched up against large WRs like Julo Jones (Jones tried to out muscle him like he normally does CBs and he was the one who did not return after halftime). I have posted comments on other threads on this but not much discussion. Even Sulky Sal agrees he played well. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2018/04/30/buffalo-bills-2018-nfl-draft-josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds-harrison-phillips/564975002/ The Bills apparently aren’t going to re-sign Leonard Johnson, who played so well for them in 2017 at the nickel cornerback spot. The previous few years, Nickell Robey-Coleman manned that spot quite capably, so this is a big pick for the Bills. He was one of coach McD's boys following to play for him here and I have not heard of one interview he has had and I have been looking for it. I assumed that he was going to be signed for a one year deal and they already had an agreement in place with him signing later giving Bills more cap flexibility but apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. So he was resigned when they let his contract expire without bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 maybe he wants to much money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I thought he played very well last year matched up against large WRs like Julo Jones (Jones tried to out muscle him like he normally does CBs and he was the one who did not return after halftime). I have posted comments on other threads on this but not much discussion. Even Sulky Sal agrees he played well. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2018/04/30/buffalo-bills-2018-nfl-draft-josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds-harrison-phillips/564975002/ He was one of coach McD's boys following to play for him here and I have not heard of one interview he has had and I have been looking for it. I assumed that he was going to be signed for a one year deal and they already had an agreement in place with him signing later giving Bills more cap flexibility but apparently not. You want the REAL reason Johnson was cut? It's because I went and put his name on my old Terrence McGee jersey. That's why. Edited May 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: You want the REAL reason Johnson was cut? It's because I went and put his name on my old McGee jersey. That's why. PromoTheRobot ought to be cut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: PromoTheRobot ought to be cut! Maybe I should wait to rename my Dareus jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 40 million in dead cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, jr1 said: 40 million in dead cap Difference between an UDFA and Leonard Johnson was not that much with the veteran one year deal discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So he was resigned when they let his contract expire without bringing him back. Yep. The Bills intentionally resigned him by not offering him a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Johnson was signed to be a player/mentor for last season given that he's a veteran with experience in McDermott's system. They paid him to play and to help all the newcomers catch on. Now that the core secondary players have a season down with this system they can help any rookies/new signings coming in. They also likely felt like they could upgrade, they're very much in tune with that facet of team building. Not many players on this roster have a predetermined spot as they really seem to emphasize on competition rather than starting the guy who knows your system and is one of "your boys" but can't really perform in it anymore (see Ryan, Rex). I read up on the new Johnson kid and the other DB they took, Neal. Both of them have the requisite McBeane combination of skills, character and experience plus versatility on the field. If these picks work out, Edmunds, Phillips, etc., they're gonna be a fun group to watch. Looks like McD's vision is speed, versatility and high motor and if it all comes together they have a shot to be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 He’s trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Maybe I should wait to rename my Dareus jersey? Given the jersey history you just shared, you best keep your little robotic fingers OFF of that thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Where are you buys buying nameplates from? I have an old one I'd love to get the Whitner name off of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 He’s a midget ✌️ He made a few teally nice plays last year but we need an upgrade. I think we’ve upgraded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. Yes exactly. JAG is right. I though he play ok and had a few big hits but he didn’t really distinguish himself and never played at the level as NRC a few years. If you could sum up Leonard Johnson’s season in 1 play, it would be against the New York Jets. The Jets were driving and Leonard made a great read on McCown. The ball hit him in the hands perfectly and...he dropped it. I think the Jets only got a FG out of the drive, but an INT there could have been a pivotal moment in that game, early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Maybe they wanted to push for the youth movement in the secondary. They already have veterans in that area. Youth is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. While I do agree with this I think other than his rookie year NRC was JAG too. I am confused as to why Johnson wasn't brought back only to bring in Phillip Gaines. If Taron ends up as the starting nickel I would hope Gaines gets cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 What I want to know, is has he resigned himself to the fact that he hasn't be re-signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Could tackle like a LB but was bad in coverage imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Look at the Falcons game. Without him I do not think we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: While I do agree with this I think other than his rookie year NRC was JAG too. I am confused as to why Johnson wasn't brought back only to bring in Phillip Gaines. If Taron ends up as the starting nickel I would hope Gaines gets cut. Maybe... the difference is scheme. McDermott’s scheme is ideal for Johnson. Rex Ryan’s defense was not idea for NRC. There’s a big difference in his play in LA last year than in 2015 or 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Maybe... the difference is scheme. McDermott’s scheme is ideal for Johnson. Rex Ryan’s defense was not idea for NRC. There’s a big difference in his play in LA last year than in 2015 or 2016. Agreed. I do think Bills fans tended to overrate NRC though. Edited May 1, 2018 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Because Siran Neal. He bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Zac said: Could tackle like a LB but was bad in coverage imo Exactly my opinion which is pretty much fact. He just didn’t have the complete skill set. But, loved his effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 We can always re-sign him after June 1st. As he probably knows the playbook without breaking g a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Personally, I'd like to re-sign hm for vet minimum. Either way, with: Tre'Davious White Vontae Davis Taron Johnson Philip Gaines Levi Wallace Ryan Carter Siran Neal (S/CB) Things are looking up at the position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, The Jokeman said: We can always re-sign him after June 1st. As he probably knows the playbook without breaking g a sweat. I hope so. I thought he was very effective. Edited May 2, 2018 by Limeaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: I hope so. I thought he was very effective. He was effective at tackling the receiver he failed to cover. Good tackler, bad at covering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:54 PM, PromoTheRobot said: You want the REAL reason Johnson was cut? It's because I went and put his name on my old Terrence McGee jersey. That's why. That guy was Damn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt75 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:33 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. I agree - - he was average at best and this staff doesn't want AVERAGE! On 4/30/2018 at 11:33 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Ehhhh nobody else has signed Johnson, and a million corners were drafted. I think that tells us all we need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I believe we brought in Gaines for that spot. He's still available if we need depth at the position. We know he's not a star - hes 28 years old. You don't find stars by just settling for the mediocre DB that you had the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 He's being blackballed by NFL owners, obviously. #collusion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 For such a small character, the hyphen can pack quite the punch. Maybe that’s why people are afraid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:33 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. this is probably about right. i think they may have wanted to go younger, faster, and cheaper here. and the guys they still have on the back end seem to have a good chemistry and plenty of veteran presence and leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:33 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I may be on the minority but felt that he was a total JAG. He was the guy that always got picked on in big situations . He was nowhere near the player that NRC was. Johnson wasn’t horrible but was totally expendable. The Bills tried to upgrade at a lower price. yep. simple. kid could hit though On 5/1/2018 at 11:15 AM, GunnerBill said: While I do agree with this I think other than his rookie year NRC was JAG too. I am confused as to why Johnson wasn't brought back only to bring in Phillip Gaines. If Taron ends up as the starting nickel I would hope Gaines gets cut. NRC after Schwartz was not same ball hawk and surprisingly good solid tackler. He would have done well with McD i might guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I actually like Taron Johnson to win the slot job. I think they want youth in that secondary. I believe they want to create a Legion of Boom or Jackson 5. One of those great secondary's that is given a name. They want this defense top 5 for a long time and how you do that is by bringing in a lot of young talented players. A veteran like Leonard is a nice cork to fill the hole until you find a really nice slot corner. I liked Leonard Johnson but they want this secondary to be great and he just isn't quite that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: I actually like Taron Johnson to win the slot job. I think they want youth in that secondary. I believe they want to create a Legion of Boom or Jackson 5. One of those great secondary's that is given a name. They want this defense top 5 for a long time and how you do that is by bringing in a lot of young talented players. A veteran like Leonard is a nice cork to fill the hole until you find a really nice slot corner. I liked Leonard Johnson but they want this secondary to be great and he just isn't quite that. This is a good mantra to follow for now. Like Gaines they he helped them play as a team. I think the system is up and running on it's own on Defense. Well i think McD's moves in the secondary suggest that actually. hell if i know. wild guess really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: This is a good mantra to follow for now. Like Gaines they he helped them play as a team. I think the system is up and running on it's own on Defense. Well i think McD's moves in the secondary suggest that actually. hell if i know. wild guess really. Teams are using slot receivers a lot more and the Patriots definitely use them. Slot corners are really important in today's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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