Allen Over Rosen Reminds Me of

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

21 minutes ago, zevo said:

I’ll go with this regime until proven otherwise...if they are wrong they won’t be here in a few years

 

...careful with that voice of reason stuff around these parts......

[jahnyc]

Reminds me of when we picked Losman.  

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

well it cant get any simple then but hurt can it. Cry with no hopes of him being good... go ahead. He is a BILL now.. cant you just be happy we picked our guy and support him instead of sobbing over the pick for the last 10 or so hours?

 

Silliness. It's a discussion board. If you want to blindly cheer for the Bills then grab a skirt and pom poms then revive the Jills.

[Manther]

23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

Interesting thought.  I hope you are wrong and I hope McBeane is right.  But, ya, interesting analysis.

[xRUSHx]

23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

Come on man, your better then this. SMH

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

That's disingenuous. Nobody had Brady. All the previous examples were guys who the boards largely wanted. Research isn't hard to come by. We all watched the tape

 

 

Homer on Homer

this is a good point. People can watch all the tape they want on a guy and NO ONE knows how they perform on the NFL level. Its called accepting what we got and moving forward.. some on this board cant do that.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

I agree, I remember yelling at the TV about both of those picks but I don't feel the same way about the Allen pick. I just get the feeling he could develop into a good starting QB. Im going to watch more of his games tonight and this weekend, I will say it's a lot harder to evaluate QB's from smaller school's.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Manther said:

Interesting thought.  I hope you are wrong and I hope McBeane is right.  But, ya, interesting analysis.

 

I hope like hell I'm wrong too, but what I've seen from the kid generates a healthy dose of skepticism. 

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

How cute. You made a special account because you are so mad.

 

We got it you drink the koolaid and think giving up a first and two second rounders for a project is smaaaaaaaht 

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

2 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

It does not remind me of anything yet. We have to see how this works out. Bottom line, Bills traded up 

so they went and got their guy.

 

We would not have to go through the next 3 years of watching an inevitable trainwreck bust at the QB position, AGAIN, if Pegula knew how to hire a front office.  The "see how it works out" crowd is all we have been doing as a fan base for the last ~23 years.  No more of this crap please. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Silliness. It's a discussion board. If you want to blindly cheer for the Bills then grab a skirt and pom poms then revive the Jills.

No I am going to do what every other bills fan will do and eventually you also when you pull the wedgie out of your ass.  I wanted Rosen also but to come on these forums and cry about it non stop is simply dumb

[Cheektowaga Chad]

20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

I think the biggest difference between those picks and the Allen pick is no one had maybin over orakpo or whitner over ngata in player rankings. 

A decent number of scouting/mock drafts had Allen as a higher rates qb

[zevo]

Just now, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

We would not have to go through the next 3 years of watching an inevitable trainwreck bust at the QB position, AGAIN, if Pegula knew how to hire a front office.  The "see how it works out" crowd is all we have been doing as a fan base for the last ~23 years.  No more of this crap please. 

Nobody forcing you to watch the bills...try Arizona...see how it works out for you

[xRUSHx]

7 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

I'm here to chronicle the careers of Rosen vs Allen.  Should be fun.

 

Beane screwed up, I'll be here beating that drum until Rosen retires.

And you will continue to have zero rep points because to me all you are here for is to troll the Rosen was not chosen pick. Go back to the Pats board

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

8 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

then go root for another team and dont let the door hit you on the way out... I am not particular happy about the pick but i am not going to whine about it. 

or better yet-- if you can do a better job then go out and become a GM-- if you wont do that then all i can do is laugh at your posts.

This is a stupid post.  Go root for another team if you don't like the Allen pick?  Get real  dude.  I m not going to tell you Allen is going to suck, but I would have rather had Rosen and if people are upset about the Allen pick, they don't just have to accept it or find another team.

[17 Josh Allen]

5 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

We would not have to go through the next 3 years of watching an inevitable trainwreck bust at the QB position, AGAIN, if Pegula knew how to hire a front office.  The "see how it works out" crowd is all we have been doing as a fan base for the last ~23 years.  No more of this crap please. 

Well you are free to go root for the Arizona Cardinals. No reason to stay if your not happy.

You mean the front office that got us into the playoffs in there 1st year after missing for 17 years.  

Edited April 27, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[Buffalo Boy]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Disappointing to say the least that they spent so much on a guy who's so raw in the fundamental things that lead to QB success at the NFL level.  

What scares me is an O coordinator who has done what???

If we are going to coach this kid up we need someone who has at least done it before......

[greeneblitz]

32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

That was the worst front offices in the NFL, our current  front office is routinely praised as one of the most talented, they have completely turned around one the the historically worst franchises in one season with little cap room.

Edited April 27, 2018 by greeneblitz

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, McBean said:

Same guy ripped Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott for trading Sammy Watkins and Ronald Darby.

 

I’ll trust people who know more than this entire board plus give Josh Allen 2-3 years to prove himself, before I say stupid crap like this on here.

Just curious, how were those great trades?  Our wrs sucked last year and throwing deep to Sammy was what Tyrod did best.  I’d argue we might have beat Jacksonville with Sammy.  

 

And our secondary was the best part of the team, but we traded a starting cb on a SB winner for Jordan Matthews.  That’s awful.  

 

I think the larger point point is you don’t have to act like NFL decision makers always know better than the fans.  Those are good examples of the fans being right. Trust me, I was the biggest homer alive then, so I defend those picks.  IMO, this feels like those situations as well.

 

time will tell but it’s ok for some (almost the majority) of Bills fans to be upset.  This was one of the most important picks in Bills’ history.  Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this.  But for such a conservative coach/ team, this was insanely risky.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think the biggest difference between those picks and the Allen pick is no one had maybin over orakpo or whitner over ngata in player rankings. 

A decent number of scouting/mock drafts had Allen as a higher rates qb

 

Couldn't care less.  Watch his games and you'll see he has quite a bit to overcome.  Maybe he'll do just that and go on to stardom like we all hope.  We'll see. 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

13 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

I'm here to chronicle the careers of Rosen vs Allen.  Should be fun.

 

Beane screwed up, I'll be here beating that drum until Rosen retires.

Oh Jesus. Just stop right now

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think the biggest difference between those picks and the Allen pick is no one had maybin over orakpo or whitner over ngata in player rankings. 

A decent number of scouting/mock drafts had Allen as a higher rates qb

People also had Blaine Gabbert over Cam Newton.

 

this is the problem with draft “experts.” We have no idea what nfl teams draft board actually look like.  Allen could have been a 3rd round pick on some team’s board.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Beane is putting his faith in our coaching staff. Hopefully they prove him correct. Rosen was the safe play, Beane swung for the fences.

[RochesterRich]

I have apprehension with any QB pick.  It is always a crapshoot.  If Rosen gets another concussion he could be a wasted pick.  One thing I do see in Allen is that he seems to be a durable body type (read tough).  I cant help but wonder if we couldnt have waited longer and still get him.  Now we dont have the picks to get receivers.  Jumping to conclusions about how he is going to work out is not going to make him better or worse.  Now all we can do is hope for the best.  I hope he is teachable and can read defenses better than what we have had.  It would be nice to see a guy that can get to his second or third read.  

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

8 minutes ago, zevo said:

Nobody forcing you to watch the bills...try Arizona...see how it works out for you

 

That's a very lame way to look at it.  You want nothing but a safe space, an echo chamber, only like minded co-fans, if you feel that way IMO. That's not real life man. I want the Bills to actually be good. This pick will not make the Bills good, it will lead to them spinning their wheels at QB for at least the next 3 years.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Rosen-not-Chosen

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Oh Jesus. Just stop right now

 

.....LMAO......gonna be a long "weekend of fine whines" isn't it??.......SMH.........

[Bray Wyatt]

8 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think the biggest difference between those picks and the Allen pick is no one had maybin over orakpo or whitner over ngata in player rankings. 

A decent number of scouting/mock drafts had Allen as a higher rates qb

 

I was going to say almost this exact same thing. Allen may not be the right guy, and I was hoping for Rosen, but I dont think it compares to those picks

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....LMAO......gonna be a long "weekend of fine whines" isn't it??.......SMH.........

 

Should we instead just praise the pick just because the Bills made it?

[Bray Wyatt]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

People also had Blaine Gabbert over Cam Newton.

 

this is the problem with draft “experts.” We have no idea what nfl teams draft board actually look like.  Allen could have been a 3rd round pick on some team’s board.

 

I strongly doubt that he was a 3rd rd pick on someones board

[hondo in seattle]

Whether the pick works out or not, there will be crowds of Bills fans clamoring that they're smarter than Beane, shouting, "See, I told you!"

 

I've heard scouts say the most difficult part about assessing college QBs is that none of them are NFL ready.  They all have flaws to fix, things to learn.  And so the scouts evaluate film to see how serious the flaws are while at the same time talking to the kid and his coaches to see how coachable he may be.  And then the personnel guys make an educated guess.

 

There are no certain hits and none of these top QBs are certain misses.  It's really all a matter of odds.  I personally think Allen's odds are longer than Rosen's.   But Beane rolled the dice on Allen so at this point I'm just hoping for the best.  

 

 

[BillsVet]

"Note to Self: Zero Oxygen for Trolls!"

 

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by BillsVet

[Mickey]

I was hoping for Rosen but I have been positive about Allen and defended him hereabouts for awhile. I choose to be optimistic here and will remain so. I worry that people aren't going to give him a chance and will be calling for his head after any and every mistake. I understand people feeling strongly about this, especially those on the board who have been arguing against Allen for quite awhile. The thing is, the debate is over. You can let it go and give him a legitimate shot at winning your support or you can immediately shift into arguing that "they blew it, just wait and see" without missing a beat. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

37 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

when the Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo.   The fans made the right call in those cases over the Bills' Front Office.  

All I said over and over before the pick was ...please don't pull another Donte Whitner. Sure enough... 

[4thandGoal]

8 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

This is a stupid post.  Go root for another team if you don't like the Allen pick?  Get real  dude.  I m not going to tell you Allen is going to suck, but I would have rather had Rosen and if people are upset about the Allen pick, they don't just have to accept it or find another team.

only thing stupid is people creating new profiles to protest the pic .. people starting new threads when the topic is in 10-15 other threads .. people talking **** how this pick sucks without giving him  a chance... 

[C.Biscuit97]

36 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

It reminds me of when Hillary Clinton lost the election TBH. 

Except no one hates these two guys (well some hated Rosen) and both qbs are more mature than insecure person in office.

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

Whether the pick works out or not, there will be crowds of Bills fans clamoring that they're smarter than Beane, shouting, "See, I told you!"

 

This franchise has made a hell of a lot of boneheaded picks that the fans "clamored" against, this is another terrible FO draft decision.  It will go down in franchise history as a Maybin-esqe type selection.

[17 Josh Allen]

25 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

I'm here to chronicle the careers of Rosen vs Allen.  Should be fun.

 

Beane screwed up, I'll be here beating that drum until Rosen retires.

would you like us to pitch in and buy you a drum ?. If we do, can you post youtube videos every week while your watching the Arizona Cardinals & Josh Rosen play every week. Just wondering if you will in fact follow through. Maybe 2 bills drive fourm can pin your drum post. That way we can keep track of your drumming. I love your passion for Rosen you could also post your drumming posts on Rosen’s twitter feed too. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[poblano]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

  

 

I think the larger point point is you don’t have to act like NFL decision makers always know better than the fans.  

And vice versa

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Those are good examples of the fans being right. Trust me, I was the biggest homer alive then, so I defend those picks.  IMO, this feels like those situations as well.

Also are good examples of fans being wrong, but here is the eternal discussion.

For me is more like when E J was drafted not the situation but for potential of the player

Also  i don't wanted Allen

[ganesh]

27 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Agree 100%. Last night I said this was a soul-crushing draft.  All the talent we gave up, all the picks we compiled, for this? I said it before, we gave up 5 premium picks in the first 3 Rounds and an opening day will have one linebacker to show for it and the second coming of EJ Manuel. I'm disgusted.

We gave up draft picks...If the Bills made a bad pick at #7, why do you think they would have picked the right talent with those draft picks...You cannot have it both ways!!!!

[Cheektowaga Chad]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Couldn't care less.  Watch his games and you'll see he has quite a bit to overcome.  Maybe he'll do just that and go on to stardom like we all hope.  We'll see. 

I have watched a few and agree 100 percent that he has a way to go.

 

I thought it was unfair to him to be compared to guys that were obviously drafted too high from the moment their names got announced