If AJ McCarron plays great

[MAJBobby]

On 4/26/2018 at 8:52 PM, Kingston Bills Fan said:

There is no way we would ever get near the value we gave up for Allen. If AJ plays great and he becomes our QB. They would never get a first and 2 seconds back for Allen!

 

So you mean two seconds. Because they had a first already (12). All they gave up is two Seconds. And if McCarron plays lights out (excuse me while i laugh awhile) what is the problem again?

 

is it bad having a QB playing great and another learning on the bench?

Edited May 7, 2018 by MAJBobby

[nedboy7]

Let’s just hope somebody plays great. Anyone. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

Let’s just hope somebody on the Bills plays great. Anyone. 

clarifying.

[Soda Popinski]

Alex Smith played as well last season as he always does, and ended up getting traded anyway.   Keenum played his best football every last year and was not resigned.   It's not unprecedented for a team to let a QB go who's playing good football.   I assume they would either trade him or release him depending on Allen's progress.    

[Augie]

Can you even imagine what a disaster it would be if all THREE turned out great?!?! 

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

Can you even imagine what a disaster it would be if all THREE turned out great?!?! 

Haha, I doubt it but that would be a great problem to have.  At this point, let’s just hope one of the 3 turns into a franchise guy.

[Fadingpain]

On May 4, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Domdab99 said:

 

You should not be allowed to start another thread until you understand:

 

A) The game of football

B) What makes an interesting thread

C) Why the Byzantine Empire was finally conquered even though Constantinople recovered from the sacking of 1204

 

(I'm making it really hard so you can't start any more threads)

That sacking is a really interesting episode of history and I highly recommend anyone interested in history read about it.

 

You have to love a bunch of Europeans marching off to the Holy Land in the name of God trying to reclaim Jerusalem for all of Christendom....getting a little distracted...deciding to ditch the plan....stopping in Constantinople, and then running around raping, looting, and destroying stuff. 

 

LOL.

 

Ever been to Venice?  Ever go to Piazza San Marco?  Ever notice the horses up on the facade of the church?  Those were stolen off the entrance of the hippodrome (Roman chariot racetrack) in Constantinople during that sacking in 1204.

 

 

[HT02]

Who cares as long as we have a real, top 10 starting QB

[reddogblitz]

On 4/26/2018 at 6:53 PM, Carter said:

Lol at “if AJ plays great” the guy is our backup. We just drafted our starter. 

 

We NEED a great QB. If AJ is great and Josh can't beat him out, so be it. I'm good with that. Who isn't?

[Carter]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We NEED a great QB. If AJ is great and Josh can't beat him out, so be it. I'm good with that. Who isn't?

Yeah me to, but it won’t happen. 

 

We know AJ is a career backup. There is no ifs about it. 

 

Not a smart bet...

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Carter said:

Yeah me to, but it won’t happen. 

 

We know AJ is a career backup. There is no ifs about it. 

 

Not a smart bet...

 

We'll see. Won't say he will. Won't say he won't. He'll get his chance.

[formerlyofCtown]

On 4/26/2018 at 9:52 PM, Kingston Bills Fan said:

There is no way we would ever get near the value we gave up for Allen. If AJ plays great and he becomes our QB. They would never get a first and 2 seconds back for Allen!

We continue to let Allen compete and if he beats a Great AJ then we get a boat load of picks(For AJ).  Even if AJ hits his ceilling he won't be anywhere near Josh Allen hitting his ceilling.  AJ your probably talking Alex smith, Rich Gannon level.  Allen you have to think Elway, Kelly, Favre.

On 4/26/2018 at 10:01 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I bet you were also wanting us to trade 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders to get the Giants pick too weren't you which would be impossible to recoup.  

 

These threads are soooooo freaking dumb.  You don't trade up thinking you will trade that player later for picks.  You trade up to get the guy you believe is your future.  This board is hysterically stupid right now and quite entertaining actually to watch all the panic nonsense by people who don't have even a FRACTION of the research on Allen that the Bills do but still act like they know more.

 

Baker was my guy, but hell, we just got a kid the guys who put thousands of hours of research into felt was worth trading up to get.  So great, lets rock Bills...lets see what the kid can do.  All you psychics who have doomed his career are over the top ridiculous right now.

I wouldn't call him dumb.  Just answer his question.  Not all posters are on the same level, at least he isn't one of the over rated posters on here that people think are so great that they get led to think they are pros.

On 4/26/2018 at 10:08 PM, Yeezus said:

 

you are seriously delusional if you think Allen is anywhere close to being starter material 

 

McCarron will blow him out the water during training camp. even Allens biggest fans say he is 2 years away from starting. 

Not saying Allen is ready but they said Wentz wasn't ready either.

Edited May 8, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We NEED a great QB. If AJ is great and Josh can't beat him out, so be it. I'm good with that. Who isn't?

SO CONFUSED......  you LOVED Tyrod and he wasn't great.      

 

 

 

[billsredneck1]

9 hours ago, Carter said:

Yeah me to, but it won’t happen. 

 

We know AJ is a career backup. There is no ifs about it. 

 

Not a smart bet...

the smart bet is that our passing game is going to greatly improve. WE WERE 14 YDS. FROM BEING LAST IN THE LEAGUE IN PASSING YARDS.  I would like for someone to convince me that with a.j., it can be worse.

Edited May 8, 2018 by billsredneck1

[reddogblitz]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

SO CONFUSED......  you LOVED Tyrod and he wasn't great.      

 

 

 

 

not confusing. Hotrod was the best we had the whole time he was here and it wasn't ever close.

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

not confusing. Hotrod was the best we had the whole time he was here and it wasn't ever close.

 

That's like saying "She's my hottest cousin"

[OCinBuffalo]

On 5/4/2018 at 2:14 AM, Domdab99 said:

 

You should not be allowed to start another thread until you understand:

 

A) The game of football

B) What makes an interesting thread

C) Why the Byzantine Empire was finally conquered even though Constantinople recovered from the sacking of 1204

 

(I'm making it really hard so you can't start any more threads)

Um, if that rule applied to every poster on this board? The football board would close down, but PPP would still be going strong. 

 

Hell, we have a hard enough time with rule A around here. Rule C is a killer. Rule B is subjective, so I don't think you can really call it a rule. Example: there are some posters who are genuinely interested in the minutia of the draft, others find it boring. 

Edited May 8, 2018 by OCinBuffalo

[OCinBuffalo]

On 5/7/2018 at 2:43 PM, Fadingpain said:

You have to love a bunch of Europeans marching off to the Holy Land in the name of God trying to reclaim Jerusalem for all of Christendom....getting a little distracted...deciding to ditch the plan....stopping in Constantinople, and then running around raping, looting, and destroying stuff. 

Meh, military logistics, are military logistics. Now or back then. You have a hungry army, you have a big problem on your hands. You either solve the problem, which the Crusader leaders tried to do by asking the Byzantines for food, or, you don't, and the army solves it for you/them.

 

But hey, never forget that both beer and salami were invented as ways to provide logistical support to an army, keep it focused on the task at hand, and not on pillaging the countryside. Perhaps you don't like salami, but beer? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

29 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

not confusing. Hotrod was the best we had the whole time he was here and it wasn't ever close.

If you have 5 women to chose from and the best one rates a 4 out of 10....   Whats that say? 

 

[reddogblitz]

25 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

If you have 5 women to chose from and the best one rates a 4 out of 10....   Whats that say? 

 

 

I'm down with whichever one can get me to the playoffs for the first time in 18 years 

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's like saying "She's my hottest cousin"

 

would you prefer losing and sitting on an 18 year and counting drought?

[kota]

If he plays well let the kid sit.  Then pass the reigns to Allen and trade AJ.  AJ is on a very nice deal that people would jump at.

[reddogblitz]

3 minutes ago, kota said:

If he plays well let the kid sit.  Then pass the reigns to Allen and trade AJ.  AJ is on a very nice deal that people would jump at.

 

Hand the reigns to Allen if/when he earns them. If AJ plays well keep him. You have to have a good backup. Earl Moral, Jeff Hoztettler, Frank ...  No SBs for them if they had Nasty Nate or Fitz as backup.

[OCinBuffalo]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

If you have 5 women to chose from and the best one rates a 4 out of 10....   Whats that say? 

 

Depends on your rating scale, doesn't it? What if one of the five turns out to be the best in bed, all time? How would you know? You have to wait until after you made your choice to find out.

 

See? It all depends on your rating scale. One, some, or all 5, could be absolute freaks. Would you rather have a 10 out of 10 "rated"...dead fish? That would be torturous. She looks great...but every night you keep trying to convince yourself she's going to be better this time.

 

This is a beauty contest at best, with no real, objective way to know what these QBs are: until they are on the field, in regular season games, and, only after starting at least 20 of them. Both Joe Montana and Tom Brady were considered <. I still say Montana is better. But, regardless, they were both "rated 4 out of 10".

 

You just never know, until you know. Trent Dilfer is the best example of a "rated 10/10"...dead fish. He looked like sure HOF material...but...dead fish. EDIT: And the poor Tampa fans had to keep trying to convince themselves he was gonna be better this time.

Edited May 8, 2018 by OCinBuffalo

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

41 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Hand the reigns to Allen if/when he earns them. If AJ plays well keep him. You have to have a good backup. Earl Moral, Jeff Hoztettler, Frank ...  No SBs for them if they had Nasty Nate or Fitz as backup.

 

 

......certainly agree....would be nice for a little deja vu ala Kelly & Reich........

[mannc]

46 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Hand the reigns to Allen if/when he earns them. If AJ plays well keep him. You have to have a good backup. Earl Moral, Jeff Hoztettler, Frank ...  No SBs for them if they had Nasty Nate or Fitz as backup.

Agreed.  I think McCarron would have more value as a trusted backup than he would on the trade market.  I think people overestimating the trade value he would have after one good season, even with his team-friendly contract.  Unless he absolutely lights it up, McCarron would likely still be viewed as a bridge/back-up type QB.  Foles, for example, absolutely killed it filling in for Wentz and still there apparently wasn't much of a trade market for him; despite what he accomplished, teams still did not see him as a franchise QB.  Cousins had to put up three really good seasons before people looked at him as a long-term QB solution, and even then many weren't sold.       

[Success]

If this is a “potential problem” thread, I prefer this kind of problem.

 

I’m more used to a “what if neither Losman or Edwards can really play” type of dilemma...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

Agreed.  I think McCarron would have more value as a trusted backup than he would on the trade market.  I think people overestimating the trade value he would have after one good season, even with his team-friendly contract.  Unless he absolutely lights it up, McCarron would likely still be viewed as a bridge/back-up type QB.  Foles, for example, absolutely killed it filling in for Wentz and still there apparently wasn't much of a trade market for him; despite what he accomplished, teams still did not see him as a franchise QB.  Cousins had to put up three really good seasons before people looked at him as a long-term QB solution, and even then many weren't sold.       

 

...with the desperation nature of the QB position over the last decade. marginal success of a backup translated into large contracts.....take Schaub, Foles & Kolb......Schaub was a hot commodity out of Atlanta...had some decent years and then lapsed into "pick six land".....Kolb had some decent games with Eagles as backup, hit FA and 'Zona jumped.....managed to bring his concussion total to 5+ and Bflo jum,ps at the chance to sign a guy whose noodle went limp....Foles, on the brink of retirement, has an epiphany with the Eagles...don't think McCarron ever had much of a chance with Bengals.....Brown wanted his money's worth out of Dalton regardless......Marvin was/is Marvin.....McCarron was there in the 5th, a steady Eddie cerebral with game manager tendencies yet the OBD "Mecca Of QB Development" passed.......kid could resurrect his career like Gannon or Foles until the Allen kid is ready.....a nice one/two punch like Kelly/Reich would be a welcome union with Allen/McCarron......

[Aussie Joe]

So there "wasn't much of a trade market" for Foles, or perhaps there wasn't a team prepared to pay the supposed asking price which was a 1st and another pick ...

 

I also remember a lot of good judges here saying that they wouldn't be able to get a 7th for Tyrod and that would be after the Bills had to eat his roster bonus...

[Rockinon]

If AJM plays really well, teams will be falling all over themselves to trade for him.  He's got a 2yr deal and Buffalo would be in a great position to trade before his contract is up. There's also a possibility they like him so much that they want to keep him.

 

In all likelihood, though, he will be nothing more than a competent backup.  But who knows right now.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Rockinon said:

If AJM plays really well, teams will be falling all over themselves to trade for him.  He's got a 2yr deal and Buffalo would be in a great position to trade before his contract is up. There's also a possibility they like him so much that they want to keep him.

 

In all likelihood, though, he will be nothing more than a competent backup.  But who knows right now.

 

He is on comparative chump change next year so I think he has some trade value even if he only has moderate success this year...

 

A big if I know at this stage but lets keep an open mind and see how it plays out..

 

Its good to have potential contingency plans and options..

[Rockinon]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

He is on comparative chump change next year so I think he has some trade value even if he only has moderate success this year...

 

A big if I know at this stage but lets keep an open mind and see how it plays out..

 

Its good to have potential contingency plans and options..

Um, I'm pretty sure I was keeping an open mind.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Rockinon said:

Um, I'm pretty sure I was keeping an open mind.

 

Yeah.. I was agreeing with you...

 

The open mind part was addressed to some other opinions in the thread

[Punching Bag]

On 5/4/2018 at 1:24 PM, #34fan said:

What if Peterman plays outstanding?

You wake up eventually from your dream.

On 5/4/2018 at 1:35 PM, Lfod said:

That would be so epic. From 5 interceptions to 5 Superbowls Nate Peterman. The guy everybody said was pure garbage. The guy everybody was  sleeping on. 

 

Just imagine the looks on people faces if that happens. 

 

I like crow pie but it is so hard to find.

On 5/4/2018 at 1:35 PM, Lfod said:

That would be so epic. From 5 interceptions to 5 Superbowls Nate Peterman. The guy everybody said was pure garbage. The guy everybody was  sleeping on. 

 

Just imagine the looks on people faces if that happens. 

 

I like crow pie but it is so hard to prepare and find.

42 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

So there "wasn't much of a trade market" for Foles, or perhaps there wasn't a team prepared to pay the supposed asking price which was a 1st and another pick ...

 

I also remember a lot of good judges here saying that they wouldn't be able to get a 7th for Tyrod and that would be after the Bills had to eat his roster bonus...

 

I question whether they were "good" judges.  More like a hanging judge who gets paid by number of ropes he uses.

[reddogblitz]

39 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

How long did Steve Young sit? .....Aaron Rodgers?

 

Roger Staubach?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

42 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

How long did Steve Young sit? .....Aaron Rodgers?

 

Roger Staubach?

Tom Brady? 

[Punching Bag]

41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Tom Brady? 

The GOAT never needs to sit.

[Mr. WEO]

what if he looks really great in a Bills cap on the sideline?

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

We continue to let Allen compete and if he beats a Great AJ then we get a boat load of picks(For AJ).  Even if AJ hits his ceilling he won't be anywhere near Josh Allen hitting his ceilling.  AJ your probably talking Alex smith, Rich Gannon level.  Allen you have to think Elway, Kelly, Favre.

I wouldn't call him dumb.  Just answer his question.  Not all posters are on the same level, at least he isn't one of the over rated posters on here that people think are so great that they get led to think they are pros.

Not saying Allen is ready but they said Wentz wasn't ready either.

 

I didn't say he was dumb, I said these threads are dumb.  And I stand by that stance.  Debating the value of a draft pick on what we can recoup in the future if we trade him is absurd.  You don't draft a guy at 7th overall and think "can we get equal value back later for this guy in a trade".  You draft a guy at 7th overall to be a football player on your team.  Someone freaking out about whether or not we can get back the extra 2 second round picks in a future trade of Josh Allen is over the top ridiculous.  

 

And if AJ plays well, the team will have a choice to make like when Brees played well after drafting Rivers.  And thats not a bad problem to have because both AJ and Allen would have value in that case.  But you don't pass on trading up to get Allen on because you have an unproven AJ on the roster and you don't grade drafting Allen on what happens if something not likely to happen happens.  

 

Sorry, just how I see it.  

Edited May 9, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Fadingpain]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

How long did Steve Young sit? .....Aaron Rodgers?

If Allen is ever going to be good, it would benefit the Bills to find out as quickly as possible and to start him as quickly as possible.

 

You want to get as much playing mileage as possible out of his first contract.

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

19 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

If Allen is ever going to be good, it would benefit the Bills to find out as quickly as possible and to start him as quickly as possible.

 

You want to get as much playing mileage as possible out of his first contract.

 

 

I see no logic in this.