Peterman Works w/ Tom House, Adds Velocity

[J-Bo]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

No particular reason to think so, Bill. He was pretty accurate right out of college.

 

Not that improving his velocity automatically means he's there now. But he's got a shot at being around for a while.

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Azucho98 said:

Love how people react and predict the future of players, especially QB's, after they started ONE game.  

 

He started more than one, and he stepped into a bunch.

 

I know that isn't a huge space, and QBs often take a next step in the next year, but he has shown less than EJ, and people here wanted that man's head on a pike.

[Putin]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he was accurate in college. His college film is filled with horrible inaccuracy.  To me he is a classic case of getting the accuracy badge because he doesn't have a big arm.  It is the classic cliche used to describe QBs with less than ideal arm strength "smart and accurate."  My personal view on his college tape was the arm strength wasn't quite as bad as reported and the accuracy was nowhere near as good as reported.  He played in a gimmicky college offense and you had talking head draft media calling him "pro-ready".  I mean I know it is a thing on here at the moment to say nobody on this forum knows as much as guys who do this working for the networks but the draft media were way off base on Nathan Peterman.  His college tape was horrible from the perspective of a pro-evaluation.  All the "smart, accurate and pro-ready" stuff was just cliched rubbish from people who hadn't put the work in.  He was borderline undraftable.  The way he played in the league was absolutely zero surprise to me.  

Are you done ??? 

[J-Bo]

STRENGTHS

 Smooth, quick set-up in pocket. Grips the ball with big, 10-inch hands. Poised in pocket and takes the hit to deliver a completion. Will set-up, slide and then re-set before making his throw. Can cut it loose from off-balance angles from bootleg or play-action if he sees a winning option break open early. Full field reader. Works all the way through his progressions. Shoots glances at safeties to keep them in check. Strong natural accuracy. Able to throw receivers open and lead them away from danger. Can pinpoint passes to moving targets in his intermediate work. Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Great vision. Sees passing windows before they develop. Throws with outstanding timing and anticipation. Can put the ball on receivers' hands as soon as they come out of a break if coverage dictates it. Utilizes accuracy and anticipation to challenge windows on all three levels. Won at Clemson hanging five touchdown passes on their talented stop unit. Good escapability and can extend drives with his legs. Excellent deep ball accuracy completing 46.2 percent of his deep throws.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, J-Bo said:

STRENGTHS

 Smooth, quick set-up in pocket. Grips the ball with big, 10-inch hands. Poised in pocket and takes the hit to deliver a completion. Will set-up, slide and then re-set before making his throw. Can cut it loose from off-balance angles from bootleg or play-action if he sees a winning option break open early. Full field reader. Works all the way through his progressions. Shoots glances at safeties to keep them in check. Strong natural accuracy. Able to throw receivers open and lead them away from danger. Can pinpoint passes to moving targets in his intermediate work. Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Great vision. Sees passing windows before they develop. Throws with outstanding timing and anticipation. Can put the ball on receivers' hands as soon as they come out of a break if coverage dictates it. Utilizes accuracy and anticipation to challenge windows on all three levels. Won at Clemson hanging five touchdown passes on their talented stop unit. Good escapability and can extend drives with his legs. Excellent deep ball accuracy completing 46.2 percent of his deep throws.

Poised in the pocket.  Now that is hilarious. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

You imply that you have a better sense for evaluating college qb's than most.     So rank your top 5 college qb's entering the draft this year.   I'm curious. 

He has a whole thread on it with his evaluations.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[judman]

I didn't think he needed speed at all.  I've never seen anyone throw five interceptions faster than him.

[Freddie's Dead]

Buffalo.  Where we judge a QB on one game and decide whether he sucks or not.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

You imply that you have a better sense for evaluating college qb's than most.     So rank your top 5 college qb's entering the draft this year.   I'm curious. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

Can you post the one from last year as well? It would be interesting to look at.

[KGun12TD]

Dang! It ended before it even got started for this guy. He seems like a great kid...I wish him the best and hope he can turn it around...FOR US! If not, then he will forever be Nathan "Five Picks" Peterman.

[Luxy312]

All of these "offseason programs" are what they are.  Do we so quickly forget that E.J. Manuel was doing these things every year.  It's going to help his "X" or improve his "Y", they said.  Improvement was cited and then we ended up with much of the same.  Will improving velocity help?  Absolutely.  Let's not pretend though while we're talking about it, that that was not the only issue.  If the Bills draft a quarterback, Peterman could go the way of the dodo bird like Jeff Tuel.  Great guy to root for and looked good in camp, but was not great in real games.  Maybe one more year for him after this year and then out, barring an epic demonstration of improvement.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Putin said:

Are you done ??? 

 

Look, my evaluation of Nathan Peterman was done way before the Bills drafted him.  I can pretend I saw something different because my team selected him if you want me to, but that seems to me to be a bit pointless.

 

I wish I had seen something in his barely better than 50% completion pre-season or his less than 50% completion two starts in the NFL to suggest I was wrong. I so desperately wanted him to play well in Los Angeles because I had had my fill of Tyrod by that stage, but he didn't.  He threw a nice TD pass in the snow game and I celebrated that as much as anyone but he hasn't changed my opinion of him.  I don't have an agenda... I am entirely objective... I don't support a college team I just watch prospects and say what I see.  What I saw on Peterman caused me to give him a 7th/UDFA grade.  I will never "bump" a grade up just because the Bills took a player.  If I am wrong I will still be here and you can all take your shots.  I have no problem eating humble pie when required.  But all I am doing is giving an honest opinion.  Sorry if that offends people.  

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Can you post the one from last year as well? It would be interesting to look at.

 

I am crap at finding stuff in the archive but happy for someone else to try.  Peterman wasn't on it as it happens.... I posted my evaluations last year much earlier (Feb I think) and it only featured Watson, Trubisky, Kizer, Mahomes and Kaaya.  I only got to Davis Webb and Nate Peterman later in the process and my opinions on them were in a different thread (possibly Bandit's?) but basically I didn't really like either of them too much.  I graded Webb right about where Peterman was taken (end of the 5th) and Peterman maybe as a 7th round flier.  

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Look, my evaluation of Nathan Peterman was done way before the Bills drafted him.  I can pretend I saw something different because my team selected him if you want me to, but that seems to me to be a bit pointless.

 

I wish I had seen something in his barely better than 50% completion pre-season or his less than 50% completion two starts in the NFL to suggest I was wrong. I so desperately wanted him to play well in Los Angeles because I had had my fill of Tyrod by that stage, but he didn't.  He threw a nice TD pass in the snow game and I celebrated that as much as anyone but he hasn't changed my opinion of him.  I don't have an agenda... I am entirely objective... I don't support a college team I just watch prospects and say what I see.  What I saw on Peterman caused me to give him a 7th/UDFA grade.  I will never "bump" a grade up just because the Bills took a player.  If I am wrong I will still be here and you can all take your shots.  I have no problem eating humble pie when required.  But all I am doing is giving an honest opinion.  Sorry if that offends people.  

Chances are you are probably right about the final outcome there aren’t many HO QB’s drafted in the 5th round , I just hope the kid gets his shot , they ( coaching staff) must have seen something in him ( during practice) if they were willing to bench Tyrod and start him while having a winning record, 

and just because he may never become a starter doesn’t mean he can’t be a good backup , 

 

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have no idea what it means, actually.  What is meant by "natural accuracy" and how does it differ from "accuracy"?

 

 

I've always been good at sports/games involving accuracy and it does come naturally. I guess that's what they're talking about.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

Chances are you are probably right about the final outcome there aren’t many HO QB’s drafted in the 5th round , I just hope the kid gets his shot , they ( coaching staff) must have seen something in him ( during practice) if they were willing to bench Tyrod and start him while having a winning record, 

and just because he may never become a starter doesn’t mean he can’t be a good backup , 

 

 

That was a stupid decision made at the urging of the now fired Rick Dennison.

[hemma]

Matt Cassel is entering his 14th year throwing balloon balls.

 

Peterman is working hard to improve and should be around awhile.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Putin said:

Chances are you are probably right about the final outcome there aren’t many HO QB’s drafted in the 5th round , I just hope the kid gets his shot , they ( coaching staff) must have seen something in him ( during practice) if they were willing to bench Tyrod and start him while having a winning record, 

and just because he may never become a starter doesn’t mean he can’t be a good backup , 

 

 

The staff definitely liked him some.... critical for his future here was how much of that was Dennison led?  Kirby has reported that Dennison certainly played a role in the Tyrod benching decision.  As for whether he can end up as a backup..... I would not say he has zero chance of that.... I think the odds are against him at this stage because he is likely going into camp down 1 spot on the depth chart compared to where he started last year.  Then the question is do the Bills like him enough to carry 3 Quarterbacks? And if they don't, then where does he get a shot?  But is it beyond possibility he ends up a kind of career NFL backup? No.  

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

I would expect Peterman to be with the Bills for the duration of his 4 year rookie contract. His salary is low and his performance should improve as he gains experience. I see no reason he could not develop into a cheaper AJ Mccaron. 

 

Plenty of guys don’t actually improve much with time. It’s an assumption we always make but only sometimes see work out

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I didn't hate what I saw out of Peterman. He was making good reads and throwing on time. Problem was accuracy and velocity just weren't there at times. Needs to be quicker with his reads. Improved velocity will help. 

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, hemma said:

Matt Cassel is entering his 14th year throwing balloon balls.

 

Peterman is working hard to improve and should be around awhile.

So.....true

[McBean]

I think Nate wins the job in 2018

[billsredneck1]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he was accurate in college. His college film is filled with horrible inaccuracy.  To me he is a classic case of getting the accuracy badge because he doesn't have a big arm.  It is the classic cliche used to describe QBs with less than ideal arm strength "smart and accurate."  My personal view on his college tape was the arm strength wasn't quite as bad as reported and the accuracy was nowhere near as good as reported.  He played in a gimmicky college offense and you had talking head draft media calling him "pro-ready".  I mean I know it is a thing on here at the moment to say nobody on this forum knows as much as guys who do this working for the networks but the draft media were way off base on Nathan Peterman.  His college tape was horrible from the perspective of a pro-evaluation.  All the "smart, accurate and pro-ready" stuff was just cliched rubbish from people who hadn't put the work in.  He was borderline undraftable.  The way he played in the league was absolutely zero surprise to me.  

we get it, you hate him. there is the browns board to go to if you can't find anything positive here.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

we get it, you hate him. there is the browns board to go to if you can't find anything positive here.

 

Grow up. I don't hate him. I hated his chances to be a successful NFL Quarterback before we took him and I don't think there is any evidence yet to change my opinion. I am positive about a whole boatload of Buffalo Bills players and coaches.... Peterman is not one of them.  I wish I could tell you different.  

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

we get it, you hate him. there is the browns board to go to if you can't find anything positive here.

 

What a ridiculous take.  A knowledgeable poster gives a reasoned and honest assessment and you expect him to act like a cheerleader for every Bills' player.  He's been here a lot longer than you and if you don't like his assessment then maybe you should leave instead of suggesting that he does. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I asked my friend Mr Google and that was the sense I got from the results, that "natural accuracy" means something like "we're not sure how you got it there, but you did"

 

So there's a picture of Peyton Manning in a Bronco's uniform that popped up?

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What a ridiculous take.  A knowledgeable poster gives a reasoned and honest assessment and you expect to act like a cheerleader for every Bills' player.  He's been here a lot longer than you and if you don't like his assessment then maybe you should leave instead of suggesting that he does. 

 

Hey now, you're not living your mantra: Note to Self: Zero Oxygen for Trolls!

[Blokestradamus]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Grow up. I don't hate him. I hated his chances to be a successful NFL Quarterback before we took him and I don't think there is any evidence yet to change my opinion. I am positive about a whole boatload of Buffalo Bills players and coaches.... Peterman is not one of them.  I wish I could tell you different.  

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If you do need an account for a Browns site, I have a 'SaviourKizer' account that I have no use for now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

Love how people react and predict the future of players, especially QB's, after they started TWO games and one of them was in a snowstorm....

 

FWIW GunnerBill is one of our residents who actually knows something, and puts in a huge amount of time watching film.

Others would include Buffalo716 and TheBandit27.

 

So while he might be wrong, and I sometimes disagree with him, realize that he's basing his e v a l. on watching a buttload of games with a careful eye, not just two games in the NFL.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

So there's a picture of Peyton Manning in a Bronco's uniform that popped up?

 

Hey now, you're not living your mantra: Note to Self: Zero Oxygen for Trolls!

 

I don't think he's trolling. He's just flat out wrong in his expectation of everyone having a rosy and optimistic POV on Bills' players the way he seems to.

Edited April 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, McBean said:

I think Nate wins the job in 2018

 

Can you tell me who he beats out?

[racketmaster]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Plenty of guys don’t actually improve much with time. It’s an assumption we always make but only sometimes see work out

It’s possible that he does not improve but I believe the Bills saw something in him last year to draft him and then keep him. Also, the coaching staff must have seen something in Peterman that warranted pulling the starting qb in the middle of a playoff run. 

 

Here is what we know:

1. Peterman was expected to be a mid round draft pick last year and we got value getting him in the 5th.

2. Peterman looked pretty solid for a rookie in the preseason games. Enough that there were a significant amount of fans wanting him to start over TT. 

3. Coaching staff thought he was ready to start on the road in the middle of a playoff race. 

4. Peterman started out well in the game against SD but seemed rattled after the tipped interception. He never recovered and was benched for 2nd half.

5. When called upon to play against the Colts in the snow game he performed well in the severe conditions. Not much can be taken from the game but he handled the conditions better than Brissett before he was injured.

6. We know that it is fairly common for rookie qbs to make significant improvements in their 2nd and 3rd year’s. Their is a learning curve and they often begin to feel more comfortable. This is especially true if the qb is willing to put in extra time. 

7. Peterman is self aware (very good quality to have) and knew that he needed to make improvements so he sought out and expert in the field in order to improve mechanics and velocity. 

 

Maybe nothing changes but I think there is reason to believe that Peterman can at least be a serviceable backup. I know it was a historically bad half but this is such a small sample. Great qbs can have a really  bad half. I say give the kid a little more time before we make definitive judgments that he can’t play the position (the position of a quality backup). 

[Bing Bong]

This is great news. Weakest part of his game ifnhe can mature from that poor decision making (which he has already seemed to bounce back from). Honestly Peterman can hang his hat on that certainly

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

So there's a picture of Peyton Manning in a Bronco's uniform that popped up?

 

Haha, I see how that would fit my translation, but I'm quite sure "dying embers of a once-great QB" is actually not what is meant (by the draft buzzphrase "natural accuracy")

[Bing Bong]

38 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

Dang! It ended before it even got started for this guy. He seems like a great kid...I wish him the best and hope he can turn it around...FOR US! If not, then he will forever be Nathan "Five Picks" Peterman.

PT5P agrees. But his bounce back was impressive IMO for a rookie

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, racketmaster said:

It’s possible that he does not improve but I believe the Bills saw something in him last year to draft him and then keep him. Also, the coaching staff must have seen something in Peterman that warranted pulling the starting qb in the middle of a playoff run. 

 

Here is what we know:

1. Peterman was expected to be a mid round draft pick last year and we got value getting him in the 5th.

2. Peterman looked pretty solid for a rookie in the preseason games. Enough that there were a significant amount of fans wanting him to start over TT.  ( He looked okay and nowhere ready for NFL starting duty)

3. Coaching staff thought he was ready to start on the road in the middle of a playoff race.  (Terrible decision urged by the now fired Dennison)

4. Peterman started out well in the game against SD but seemed rattled after the tipped interception. He never recovered and was benched for 2nd half. (He was historically bad).

5. When called upon to play against the Colts in the snow game he performed well in the severe conditions. Not much can be taken from the game but he handled the conditions better than Brissett before he was injured. (5-10 for 57 yards - He was decent with a couple of nice throws against a terrible Colts secondary full of backups).

6. We know that it is fairly common for rookie qbs to make significant improvements in their 2nd and 3rd year’s. Their is a learning curve and they often begin to feel more comfortable. This is especially true if the qb is willing to put in extra time. 

7. Peterman is self aware (very good quality to have) and knew that he needed to make improvements so he sought out and expert in the field in order to improve mechanics and velocity. 

 

Maybe nothing changes but I think there is reason to believe that Peterman can at least be a serviceable backup. I know it was a historically bad half but this is such a small sample. Great qbs can have a really  bad half. I say give the kid a little more time before we make definitive judgments that he can’t play the position (the position of a quality backup). 

 

On to the 2018 draft to acquire a potential franchise QB. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

It’s possible that he does not improve but I believe the Bills saw something in him last year to draft him and then keep him. Also, the coaching staff must have seen something in Peterman that warranted pulling the starting qb in the middle of a playoff run. 

 

Here is what we know:

1. Peterman was expected to be a mid round draft pick last year and we got value getting him in the 5th.

2. Peterman looked pretty solid for a rookie in the preseason games. Enough that there were a significant amount of fans wanting him to start over TT. 

3. Coaching staff thought he was ready to start on the road in the middle of a playoff race. 

4. Peterman started out well in the game against SD but seemed rattled after the tipped interception. He never recovered and was benched for 2nd half.

5. When called upon to play against the Colts in the snow game he performed well in the severe conditions. Not much can be taken from the game but he handled the conditions better than Brissett before he was injured.

6. We know that it is fairly common for rookie qbs to make significant improvements in their 2nd and 3rd year’s. Their is a learning curve and they often begin to feel more comfortable. This is especially true if the qb is willing to put in extra time. 

7. Peterman is self aware (very good quality to have) and knew that he needed to make improvements so he sought out and expert in the field in order to improve mechanics and velocity. 

 

Maybe nothing changes but I think there is reason to believe that Peterman can at least be a serviceable backup. I know it was a historically bad half but this is such a small sample. Great qbs can have a really  bad half. I say give the kid a little more time before we make definitive judgments that he can’t play the position (the position of a quality backup). 

 

To be fair I haven’t been one to swing wildly high or low on him based on a few minutes of play here and there. I think he can be a fine backup probably. I don’t know how much his actual skill set will evolve though. 

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

On to the 2018 draft to acquire a potential franchise QB. 

Yea. I think he has potential to be a decent backup. Which is great for a round 5

[Putin]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can you tell me who he beats out?

I think you just answered your own question, 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

we get it, you hate him. there is the browns board to go to if you can't find anything positive here.

 

Nope!  We're having a discussion about a player, pros and cons.  Gunner happens to have a negative view of that individual player.

I think he's overly harsh, but I didn't watch nearly as much film of the college QB last year.  But that's a far cry from either "hate" or finding nothing positive either about the Bills or on this board.  And if I had watched a bunch of film and came up with a reasoned refutation, Gunner would listen and consider and possibly change his mind.

 

We need more of that here, not less.

 

What worries me far more than Peterman's arm is whether he can develop the brain circuit which tells him to "throw it away!", which seemed to be lacking v. Chargers, and which his NFL draft report also notes.   But hopefully he improved in all aspects of the off-season.

1 minute ago, Putin said:

I think you just answered your own question, 

 

I didn't; I'd be shocked if he beat out McCarron, let alone anyone we draft.

[HappyDays]

It would be cool if he somehow came back a much better QB and beat out McCarron for the backup role. That's what I'll be rooting for although the odds are very much against it.