Peterman Works w/ Tom House, Adds Velocity

[C.Biscuit97]

11 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

Ha Ha Ha - The worst in History?

 

WOW - the turnip truck can't be far down the road, Biscuit. You should be able to catch it if you try...

Haha, I have no idea what that means.  And I’m far from a Tyrod fan but our head coach benched his starting qb during a playoff race for a rookie who threw 5 ints!!!! How does it get worst than that?  You are underselling how awful that decision was.

12 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I see the troll accuser has been doing his daily trolling.

 

 

nothing wrong with the kid trying to improve. but it wont help his case any with those who just get off on hating on a bills player.

And this sums up today’s mentality.  If you don’t think a player is good enough, you hate them.

 

i think every non crazy Bills fans would love to be super surprised that Peterman magically turns into a franchise qb.  Unfortunately there is a thing called reality, so the odds are really, really small of this happening.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Well, strength in the areas you would think doesnt always translate 1:1...

 

Most of your strength regardless of what you are doing comes from your lower body and engaging your posterior chain properly and efficiently...

 

Its a combination of both. The most velocity will come from learning how to properly torque your hips and likely from doing hip flexor/posterior chain/lower body work. Watch Tom Brady...he has a very efficient motion where he basically twists his hips and is able to generate really good velocity on the ball.

 

He was one of the QBs with suspect velocity coming into the NFL

 

Interesting!  Thanks for your response.

 

So I wonder how many HS coaches there are out there who just don't know how to train for or teach this.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, I have no idea what that means.  And I’m far from a Tyrod fan but our head coach benched his starting qb during a playoff race for a rookie who threw 5 ints!!!! How does it get worst than that?  You are underselling how awful that decision was.

And this sums up today’s mentality.  If you don’t think a player is good enough, you hate them.

 

i think every non crazy Bills fans would love to be super surprised that Peterman magically turns into a franchise qb.  Unfortunately there is a thing called reality, so the odds are really, really small of this happening.

 

It's a such simple minded way to view things.

[BadLandsMeanie]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm in.  

Ok! Now you are talking.

 

I would suggest Shaw66 hold our wagers for the next year :). Would he be acceptable to you?

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BadLandsMeanie said:

Ok! Now you are talking.

 

I would suggest Shaw66 hold our wagers for the next year :). Would he be acceptable to you?

 

 

 

It would.  

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he was accurate in college. His college film is filled with horrible inaccuracy.  To me he is a classic case of getting the accuracy badge because he doesn't have a big arm.  It is the classic cliche used to describe QBs with less than ideal arm strength "smart and accurate."  My personal view on his college tape was the arm strength wasn't quite as bad as reported and the accuracy was nowhere near as good as reported.  He played in a gimmicky college offense and you had talking head draft media calling him "pro-ready".  I mean I know it is a thing on here at the moment to say nobody on this forum knows as much as guys who do this working for the networks but the draft media were way off base on Nathan Peterman.  His college tape was horrible from the perspective of a pro-evaluation.  All the "smart, accurate and pro-ready" stuff was just cliched rubbish from people who hadn't put the work in.  He was borderline undraftable.  The way he played in the league was absolutely zero surprise to me.  

Where he was drafted reflected his talent status. He was a fifth round pick. A qb drafted in his range is a long shot franchise qb prospect but it is an appropriate draft position for a backup qb prospect. If that is what he is then that pick was a good value pick. Peterman is a limited qb but he can as a temporary player run an offense. 

 

There are too many people chortling over his Charger debacle game (not saying you). But odds are he is going to be our backup as a second or third qb for the foreseeable future. It's true that there isn't much upside with him but that doesn't mean he won't get better.  He certainly isn't a difference maker but he does have some utility and a role on this team. 

 

 

[Sky Diver]

Yeah, let's criticize the guy for working to get better. Bills fans, geez.

[Green Lightning]

3 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

The last time someone did some BS off-season learn how to play QB program, they came back worse. 

Brady worked this guy. And Brady didn't have a cannon and still doesn't. Accuracy is key. And Peterman can be accurate. I think you're under selling this guy.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Where he was drafted reflected his talent status. He was a fifth round pick. A qb drafted in his range is a long shot franchise qb prospect but it is an appropriate draft position for a backup qb prospect. If that is what he is then that pick was a good value pick. Peterman is a limited qb but he can as a temporary player run an offense. 

 

There are too many people chortling over his Charger debacle game (not saying you). But odds are he is going to be our backup as a second or third qb for the foreseeable future. It's true that there isn't much upside with him but that doesn't mean he won't get better.  He certainly isn't a difference maker but he does have some utility and a role on this team. 

 

Not really.  It all depends on how which QB is drafted and how soon he's ready to start.  McCarron is perfectly situated as the bridge QB to a rookie who then transitions into a backup role.  The question is whether the Bills want to carry three QBs on the active roster.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Where he was drafted reflected his talent status. He was a fifth round pick. A qb drafted in his range is a long shot franchise qb prospect but it is an appropriate draft position for a backup qb prospect. If that is what he is then that pick was a good value pick. Peterman is a limited qb but he can as a temporary player run an offense. 

 

There are too many people chortling over his Charger debacle game (not saying you). But odds are he is going to be our backup as a second or third qb for the foreseeable future. It's true that there isn't much upside with him but that doesn't mean he won't get better.  He certainly isn't a difference maker but he does have some utility and a role on this team. 

 

 

 

You have to believe the odds of him becoming that are good though.... personally I never did and still don't. Is there still a chance he becomes an NFL backup that sticks in the league? Yes. Do I consider it likely? No. 

 

I honestly can't believe that the most controversial opinion I have ever had in 5 years here is that Nate Peterman sucks :D. 

 

And I think that in my mind sums it up.... I think fans want him to succeed and so have gor unneccessarily angry when I have given an honest assessment of why he won't. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And this sums up today’s mentality.  If you don’t think a player is good enough, you hate them.

 

i think every non crazy Bills fans would love to be super surprised that Peterman magically turns into a franchise qb.  Unfortunately there is a thing called reality, so the odds are really, really small of this happening.

 

 

never said he would turn in to a franchise QB. just stated he is at least trying to improve his game. yes, it does become hating on a player when those, who are the loudest, who think they know it all, crusade against a player. one in particular jumps on every chance he can get. it's pathetic, yet not surprising considering the source.

[26CornerBlitz]

Good times.

 

[FappyTheClown]

Velocity is overrated, IMO.

[JohnC]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

You have to believe the odds of him becoming that are good though.... personally I never did and still don't. Is there still a chance he becomes an NFL backup that sticks in the league? Yes. Do I consider it likely? No. 

 

I honestly can't believe that the most controversial opinion I have ever had in 5 years here is that Nate Peterman sucks :D. 

 

And I think that in my mind sums it up.... I think fans want him to succeed and so have gor unneccessarily angry when I have given an honest assessment of why he won't. 

Peterman was a fifth round pick. That in itself tells you that he was a long shot qb prospect. I'm not saying or suggesting that your assessment of him is controversial. At best I'm saying he can turn out to be a reasonable backup. So I'm not inflating his talent level and role on this team or in this league. All I'm sayin (without anger) is that there is a potential backup role for him. That includes as a backup to the backup. It may not be great utility but some utility. 

 

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, FappyTheClown said:

Velocity is overrated, IMO.

 

Probably, but I'd rather have it than not.

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not really.  It all depends on how which QB is drafted and how soon he's ready to start.  McCarron is perfectly situated as the bridge QB to a rookie who then transitions into a backup role.  The question is whether the Bills want to carry three QBs on the active roster.

If the Bills want to keep three qbs on the roster he will be on the roster. Most teams keep three qbs on the roster but the third is not usually activated.  Is there a chance he will beat out McCarron? Probably not but not inconceivable because he is cheaper. My belief is he will be on the roster.  

[Sky Diver]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Peterman was a fifth round pick. That in itself tells you that he was a long shot qb prospect. I'm not saying or suggesting that your assessment of him is controversial. At best I'm saying he can turn out to be a reasonable backup. So I'm not inflating his talent level and role on this team or in this league. All I'm sayin (without anger) is that there is a potential backup role for him. That includes as a backup to the backup. It may not be great utility but some utility. 

 

 

 

At this point, where he was picked is completely irrelevant.

 

Once you were with a company did anyone ever ask you where you went to college or what your GPA was?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, JohnC said:

If the Bills want to keep three qbs on the roster he will be on the roster. Most teams keep three qbs on the roster but the third is not usually activated.  Is there a chance he will beat out McCarron? Probably not but not inconceivable because he is cheaper. My belief is he will be on the roster.  

 

Most teams do not. 

[Lurker]

Wow!   Six pages on this--the draft can't come soon enough.

 

IMO, Peterman is what he is--a Gail Gilbert / Brian Brohm ship-in-the night guy who'll be here a couple of years and then sail off into trivia question land...

[racketmaster]

The best thing about this thread is that it prompted a $100 wager. Lol

 

Too long of a timeframe for me to bet on but I personally like the odds that Peterman is on a 53 man roster in 2019. 

[JohnC]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

At this point, where he was picked is completely irrelevant.

 

Once you were with a company did anyone ever ask you where you went to college or what your GPA was?

You missed the point of my post with respect to my response to Gunner. It dealt with his talent level relative to when he was selected. 

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Most teams do not. 

Players are constantly moving from the practice squad to the active squad when need be. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You missed the point of my post with respect to my response to Gunner. It dealt with his talent level relative to when he was selected. 

Players are constantly moving from the practice squad to the active squad when need be. 

 

That doesn't not refute the fact that most NFL teams these days only carry 2 QBs on the 53 man roster. 

[billsredneck1]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That doesn't not refute the fact that most NFL teams these days only carry 2 QBs on the 53 man roster. 

i get the feeling that we will carry 3 on the 53.  i believe a.j. is the defacto starter due to the contract.

 

i said this earlier, that if they draft any one not named rosen,  then i can't see one of these rookies taking the no.2 job in camp.

 

they can't put either nate or the rookie on the p.s....so they will have to carry 3.

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That doesn't not refute the fact that most NFL teams these days only carry 2 QBs on the 53 man roster. 

At times you can be utterly ridiculous. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i get the feeling that we will carry 3 on the 53.  i believe a.j. is the defacto starter due to the contract.

 

i said this earlier, that if they draft any one not named rosen,  then i can't see one of these rookies taking the no.2 job in camp.

 

they can't put either nate or the rookie on the p.s....so they will have to carry 3.

 

AJM is making backup QB money and he's only guaranteed the opportunity to compete for the starting job.  You are incorrect on Peterman with regard to practice squad eligibility. 

 

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

At times you can be utterly ridiculous. 

 

Give me a break. Just admit you are incorrect and move on. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Give me a break. Just admit you are incorrect and move on. 

Your need to always prove that you are right is tiresome. It's a neurotic compulsion. Don't bother responding. 

[Captain Hindsight]

12 minutes ago, JohnC said:

At times you can be utterly ridiculous. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/03/majority-of-the-league-going-with-just-two-quarterbacks/

 

Took two seconds to prove you are wrong. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/03/majority-of-the-league-going-with-just-two-quarterbacks/

 

Took two seconds to prove you are wrong. 

 

He whines from time to time but overall is a good guy.  It wasn't even anything to get upset about as I simply pointed what was factual. 

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/03/majority-of-the-league-going-with-just-two-quarterbacks/

 

Took two seconds to prove you are wrong. 

If you include the practice squad teams often have three qbs on the roster. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, JohnC said:

If you include the practice squad teams often have three qbs on the roster. 

 

Utterly ridiculous!  

[billsredneck1]

28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

You are incorrect on Peterman with regard to practice squad eligibility. 

i didn't mean it that way. i don't think any rookie can take the no.2 job in a few short weeks and we can't risk putting nate on the p.s.  

 

again, not counting rosen and possibly mayfield as far as the no.2 spot. no matter what i don't think they should or want to start a rookie.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by billsredneck1

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i didn't mean it that way. i don't think any rookie can take the no.2 job in a few short weeks and we can't risk putting nate on the p.s.  

 

again, not counting rosen and possibly mayfield as far as the no.2 spot. no matter what i don't think they should or want to start a rookie.

 

Presuming that the Bills draft a QB in the 1st round there will be a chance that he starts.  5th round QBs are released on a regular basis in the NFL so I'm not sure why you think there is some kind of big risk associated with Peterman. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Presuming that the Bills draft a QB in the 1st round there will be a chance that he starts.  5th round QBs are released on a regular basis in the NFL so I'm not sure why you think there is some kind of big risk associated with Peterman. 

 

I agree. If they take a 1st round QB he wold have to really suck in camp and pre-season to start the season as the #3.  Therefore one of AJ McCarron or Peterman will.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i didn't mean it that way. i don't think any rookie can take the no.2 job in a few short weeks and we can't risk putting nate on the p.s.  

again, not counting rosen and possibly mayfield as far as the no.2 spot. no matter what i don't think they should or want to start a rookie.

 

I don't want to be a tool, because I'm not personally espousing "Peterman sucks", but help me understand why can't we risk putting Nate on the PS exactly?

Do you really see the league as clamoring to snap him up off waivers if we do?

 

Again, I have personally not written Peterman off, I hear he's got a good head for the game and if he tunes out the noise and keeps working, he could be a capable NFL QB so I'm not trying to be a "meanie" here, but I wouldn't think that teams around the league would be clamoring to snap up a guy who set a league record for # of picks in the first half of a game.

 

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It would.  

 Great. I will ask Shaw and if he says OK we are on!

 

I just have to hope Peterman isn't a late camp cut next year because then he could technically be out of football on opening day if nobody picked him up fast enough. Oh, it is Bills opening day ok? To keep it firm because they have the whole Thursday night thing early start etc. So  it is Bills opening day, wheather he is on the Bills or another team, whatever day the Bills season opens will be the day ok?

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i didn't mean it that way. i don't think any rookie can take the no.2 job in a few short weeks and we can't risk putting nate on the p.s.  

 

again, not counting rosen and possibly mayfield as far as the no.2 spot. no matter what i don't think they should or want to start a rookie.

 

 

I’m not sure of the risk? If you are that concerned with losing Peterman you need to consider available options. Would you rather have Peterman or Cutler, Anderson, or Matt Moore? Those guys are all free agents. Every one of those guys represents a significant upgrade over Peterman. He’s 50/50 to be on the roster at this point. It all depends on how they feel about the depth elsewhere. They could carry an extra DB or WR that can contribute on ST over a 3rd QB. Less than half of the teams in the league carry 3 QBs. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If you include the practice squad teams often have three qbs on the roster. 

 

John, please ....you have to acknowledge that "the practice squad" and "the roster" are different terms with different meanings.  Come on.

Or, I guess you don't have to acknowledge it, but failing to acknowledge it makes you look silly.

[billsredneck1]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree. If they take a 1st round QB he wold have to really suck in camp and pre-season to start the season as the #3.  Therefore one of AJ McCarron or Peterman will.  

well it does make me wonder. if mcbeane says "you have to get a franchise guy"...knowing he had the ammo to go to the top of the draft....why would they scoop up a.j.?  why wouldn't they just wait until after the draft or june 1st and sign a vet for a vet min. 1 yr./ 1 mil. deal?

 

i'm hearing trade rumors...or possibility of trade rumors, but i'm not gonna hold my breath that these guys are hell bent on getting one of the top 4. i would not at all be surprised if they stand pat and even possibly take a qb 22 or later.

Edited April 18, 2018 by billsredneck1

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BadLandsMeanie said:

 Great. I will ask Shaw and if he says OK we are on!

 

I just have to hope Peterman isn't a late camp cut next year because then he could technically be out of football on opening day if nobody picked him up fast enough. Oh, it is Bills opening day ok? To keep it firm because they have the whole Thursday night thing early start etc. So  it is Bills opening day, wheather he is on the Bills or another team, whatever day the Bills season opens will be the day ok?

 

 

 

Yep.  Bills opening day 2019. He doesn't have to be active on gameday.... him being on a 53 is your win, but him being on a Practice Squad is my win.

[billsredneck1]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I don't want to be a tool, because I'm not personally espousing "Peterman sucks", but help me understand why can't we risk putting Nate on the PS exactly?

Do you really see the league as clamoring to snap him up off waivers if we do?

i said this because i for one do not want darnold or allen...or rudolph etc. having to come in due to injury any time after the first snap on opening day. not only do i not want to lose the season ,but for the rookie's sake.

 

i think rosen or mayfield could handle it, but they are the only 2.