Irv Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Wrong! Rosen starts day one and Mayfield/Darnold might as well. Edited April 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1-31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 hahahaha sound the alarm...we have a HOT TAKE!!!!!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: hahahaha sound the alarm...we have a HOT TAKE!!!!!!!! Freezing cold take, but not a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 This is a very smart and important post. One player being traded to a team that has no veteran QB on the roster = all the rookies are busts. Which also means we ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT trade up into the top 5, dummies. Thank you for this info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said: The OP should be forced to change his TBD name and profile picture. IW is turning over in his grave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Yeah because the Browns are the epitome of good decision making. BTW Carson Wentz says hello to Browns fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Circuitous logic at best. So we should have held on to Tyrod until after draft and then trade him for the Rookie QB that went first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Irv said: None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. If the Pats or Eagles or basically any other franchise did this id think u may be on to something but the BROWNS traded for him. Why do they do half of the stuff they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Irv said: None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. By that logic the Bills paying Star Lotulelei the kind of money they did is an indication that there's not a DT in the draft that is ready to play or may never be, right? Edited April 13, 2018 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, ChevyVanMiller said: By that logic the Bills paying Star Lotulelei the kind of money they did is an indication that there's not a DT in the draft that ready to play or may never be, right? Extemporaneous thoughts are......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said: If the Pats or Eagles or basically any other franchise did this id think u may be on to something but the BROWNS traded for him. Why do they do half of the stuff they do. They just need to win a game. Any game. They had no QBs on the roster who had ever won a game. They just failed with a rookie Qb starting year 1 and are about to draft another. The FA QBs with decent starting experience had no interest in signing there. It couldn’t more obvious why they made this trade. In fact they were the only team I thought it made sense for before it went down and predicted it would happen. Edited April 13, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) You don't give up a third unless Tyrod starts. Period. 23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Wrong! Rosen starts day one and Mayfield/Darnold might as well. No dice. They gave up a third. Edited April 13, 2018 by Irv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Irv said: You don't give up a third unless Tyrod starts. No dice. They gave up a third. I'm talking about the Bills, but your OP premise is awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The OP should be forced to change his TBD name and profile picture. IW is turning over in his grave. I always like it when guys put their IQ in their screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Irv said: I always like it when guys put their IQ in their screen name. Weak, just like this thread and your tired attempts at humor. Edited April 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Irv said: You don't give up a third unless Tyrod starts. Period. No dice. They gave up a third. Yes. Tyrod is starting there. They already declared this. Because they just went through a season with a rookie starter and Hue !@#$ed it up. He is awful with rookie QBs. Hue is still there. They need to show some kind of progress. The fans would be thrilled with 5 it 6 wins. TT is perfect for them right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Irv said: You don't give up a third unless Tyrod starts. This thread is making things waaaayyyy too complicated : Any team wants the option of letting a rookie quarterback sit, if at all possible A very large percent of rookie quarterback benefit by sitting, at least part of the season Hue Jackson took scorching criticism for playing Kizer too soon. Apparently he took it to heart. Cleveland's future is in this pick. They can't afford to mess things up again. That's why they pick Darnold over Allen btw. Cleveland has a TON of picks, and could part with a third Taylor's a decent qb, and will probably enjoy success with the Brown's better supporting cast. And that's that. There's no big conclusion on the '18 crop of quarterback draftees here...... Edited April 13, 2018 by grb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Wrong! Rosen starts day one and Mayfield/Darnold might as well. It depends on where they wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just thinking out loud here, but might Cleveland take TT because their QB draft target is Jackson? They have similar playing styles, an offense designed for TT's strengths would be good for Jackson as well. TT starts for a year and Jackson is groomed for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Are we still !@#$ing talking about Tyrod Taylor. We got a 3rd from a team with infinite cap space, for a player with 1 year left on his contract that has proven he is not a franchise QB. It's a fair trade for both sides, we needed to move on, they needed a bridge/backup QB. I've always said Tyrod is everything you want in a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, billykay said: It depends on where they wind up. My post was about the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, johnnychemo said: Just thinking out loud here, but might Cleveland take TT because their QB draft target is Jackson? They have similar playing styles, an offense designed for TT's strengths would be good for Jackson as well. TT starts for a year and Jackson is groomed for the future? Would that not be the BALLS - taking Jackson with the #1 pick......So Brownsey!!!!! I kinda feel sorry for those Browns fans....... Edited April 13, 2018 by Kwai San Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, Irv said: None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. This makes wwwaaayyy too much sense so I gotta spin your question around. Why then.. did the Bill's trade Tyrod? BAM!! ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Bad thesis there. What the Browns secured with the TT trade was the ability to develop their new QB from the bench rather than HAVING to play him this year. It's reasonable to conclude this was exactly what the Browns were thinking, considering that's exactly Dorsey did with Mahomes last year as Chiefs GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, gobills1212 said: This makes wwwaaayyy too much sense so I gotta spin your question around. Why then.. did the Bill's trade Tyrod? BAM!! ?? Because the Bills don’t see him as a long term answer, and they went as far as they could with him. They could have moved on last year but new regime didn’t see a better option immediately available. They finally ripped the band aid off and are moving forward and rebuilding at the position. The browns are in a different place than the Bills. They need a band aid to stop the bleeding before they can really move forward with their Qb of the future. Edited April 13, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Irv said: None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Where is that kicking the can down the road GIF when you need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Just now, Irv said: None of these guys are ready. They may never be. If they were, then why did Cleveland trade for Tyrod? Yes Cleveland has a worse track record than us. But, Tyrod has proven that he is a below average NFL quarterback and the Browns still think the QB they draft at #1 will still sit behind him. I don't see us moving up. One of those five guys will be there at 12 and all of them will sit behind McCarron for a year and may never make it in the NFL. IMO - Because Hue Jackson wanted a veteran QB. I'm sure Dorsey did too, to help the team win some games and gain confidence. But Hue just went 0-16 (and 1-31 in the past 2 seasons). He doesn't have the leash to ride out another season of rookie QB bumps and turnovers. He HAS TO win some games this year and show some forward progress if he wants to keep his job. I believe he rightly thinks that turnovers are the biggest factor in all their losses (Kizer just turned the ball over 27 times!!) and Tyrod solves that problem. Darnold has issues with turnovers himself, so they will let him learn from Tyrod for a year on how to take care of the ball, then he will be starting next year. Edited April 13, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Because the Bills don’t see him as a long term answer and they went as far as they could with him. The browns are in a different place than the Bills. Well, right! But as u know, this was in regard to OPs question. How much of a different place is debatable but I guess my point is there is SSOO much more that goes into it than the surface lodgic that was expressed when the original question was posed. I suppose how TT stacks up to AJ and the $$ needs to be taken into account as well but in the end neither is a fqb so what are we really doing here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 It certainly says something about the QBs they expect to be left after the 2nd round concludes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Tyrod is a guy you can win with, and he protects the ball. His negatives are well known, but he can at least give them a few wins and create some stability while they bring up their future QB slowly. This was an 0-16 team after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: This makes wwwaaayyy too much sense so I gotta spin your question around. Why then.. did the Bill's trade Tyrod? BAM!! ?? Because he sucks? 19 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Another dude with his IQ in his screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 So, we aren't going QB either because we signed McCarron? Got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Weak, just like this thread and your tired attempts at humor. Fact is not humor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: 1-31. Op sourced the browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Irv said: Fact is not humor Fact is you make terrible threads that make little sense with this being exhibit A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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