Doc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: Goes to show this regime do not have a clue.Do they really think that Carolina play a better brand of Football ? Lets see the best Mcdermtt/beane could do is get rid of all valuable young cheap pieces and replaced with old broken down rejects Jordan Mathews , corner back Gaines trade for a TE slow wide receiver in K Benjamin all of the problems has been self inflicted from getting rid of Williams on a cheap contract for the coaches pet in Tolbert who should not be in the NFL They have not pick a player of note yet.. They are old and now lack direction people here can sell /say process to make them feel good all they want but I see better processes in L.A. the RAMS and Chargers have better processes to say the least.... the Pulagas is systematically turning the Bills into the Sabres and that's not acceptable to me Then leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 No I'm good You can if you want 1 minute ago, Doc said: Then leave. No I'm good If you don't like my facts you can leave 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: If Kyle still has energy to be penetrating when he is at his best then Star will be a good signing. Kyle is one of the most disruptive DTs in game when he is on. Kyle should not even be on the team we need younger Kyle's not one on his last leg because he is another coaches pet .....This is not the SABRES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 40 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: Goes to show this regime do not have a clue.Do they really think that Carolina play a better brand of Football ? Lets see the best Mcdermtt/beane could do is get rid of all valuable young cheap pieces and replaced with old broken down rejects Jordan Mathews , corner back Gaines trade for a TE slow wide receiver in K Benjamin all of the problems has been self inflicted from getting rid of Williams on a cheap contract for the coaches pet in Tolbert who should not be in the NFL They have not pick a player of note yet.. They are old and now lack direction people here can sell /say process to make them feel good all they want but I see better processes in L.A. the RAMS and Chargers have better processes to say the least.... the Pulagas is systematically turning the Bills into the Sabres and that's not acceptable to me Huh? Are you talking about Karlos Williams who the Bills got rid of 2 years before McDermott and Beane were even hired? As for thr the rest of your post... - When McDermott was in Carolina, they had a top 10 defense 4 out of 5 years, with 3 years in the top 6. So yes, they did play a very good brand of defensive football. They were also in the Super Bowl a couple years ago and almost went undefeated (15-1). - They have not picked a player of note yet? So Tre White wasn't of note? Dion Dawkins, who stepped in at LT in his rookie year and did very well? Matt Milano, a 5th round pick who ended up starting at LB? I guess they get no no credit for signing Hyde and Poyer either, who were one of the best safety tandems in the NFL. - Signing Star does not in any way show that this regime doesn't have a clue. Just because ESPN says the Bills overpaid, it means this regime doesn't have a clue? ESPN is always right? What if Star drastically improves our run defense and/or pass rush? Are they still clueless then? Don't you think we should maybe give Star a chance before writing him off as a bad/clueless signing? - Why is the Chargers process better? I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this comment. They finished with the same record and have one of the best QBs in the league, and more talent on offense and defense. The Bills did a lot more with a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 ESPN is garbage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 always a wait and see . System player. if Bills paid him as well as they did, they have expectations of him excelling at his job for couple years or so. I do think the surrounding cast (LBs) need to improve significantly. But right now i am not feeling Bills have done enough with the front seven. Star could be worth near that money. I won't doubt that just yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: No I'm good If you don't like my facts you can leave If your post had a single fact in it... The only thing I can think is you were drunk when you wrote it. If after you sober up and realize and admit you made a mistake, by all means, stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 No doubt the Bills overpaid. That’s what FA is all about. However we all watched what it was like to have 1 starting caliber interior d lineman last year. We have at least 2 and 2 more that could be heavy rotation players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Since we're resurrecting this thread, and it's post draft... On 4/10/2018 at 8:19 AM, SouthNYfan said: Right? I'm too lazy to find it, but I read a quote by kuelchy saying that star made his life easy by eating blockers all day long. Let's remember that the Bills drafted Tremaine Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 There were much better deals on Amazon, free shipping 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 He got about what comparable guys got the year(s) before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Can we see him in our scheme, with our personell for a season before deciding if we overpayed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 If Star, Meatball and Phillps do their part Hughes and Edmunds will have 30 sacks between the both of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 ESPN just keeps ESPNing. They have to write something so.....here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, billsbackto81 said: If Star, Meatball and Phillps do their part Hughes and Edmunds will have 30 sacks between the both of them. Seems rather high especially if you're counting on the rookie MLB to contribute to that number significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Seems rather high especially if you're counting on the rookie MLB to contribute to that number significantly. That was kindly put.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Throw Murphy in there and I'd buy the 30 sacks prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Throw Murphy in there and I'd buy the 30 sacks prediction. Can't see it. Still far too high with TM included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:56 PM, liverpoolkev said: Goes to show this regime do not have a clue.Do they really think that Carolina play a better brand of Football ? Lets see the best Mcdermtt/beane could do is get rid of all valuable young cheap pieces and replaced with old broken down rejects Jordan Mathews , corner back Gaines trade for a TE slow wide receiver in K Benjamin all of the problems has been self inflicted from getting rid of Williams on a cheap contract for the coaches pet in Tolbert who should not be in the NFL They have not pick a player of note yet.. They are old and now lack direction people here can sell /say process to make them feel good all they want but I see better processes in L.A. the RAMS and Chargers have better processes to say the least.... the Pulagas is systematically turning the Bills into the Sabres and that's not acceptable to me whos old and now lack direction ? 15 minutes ago, The Red King said: Can we see him in our scheme, with our personell for a season before deciding if we overpayed? No time for that, off with their heads ! lot of new pieces up front. including some Coaching on Defense. no way to predict how this comes together. But we better see Star and Murphy getting reps at camp imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yeah we overpaid for our safties last year and then they showed they are pro-bowlers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said: Yeah we overpaid for our safties last year and then they showed they are pro-bowlers wtf. who is running the show in Buffalo these days anyways ? No point in picking up all pros or pro bowl worthy invites. They are just going to cost you monies later on. /end sarcasm for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: wtf. who is running the show in Buffalo these days anyways ? No point in picking up all pros or pro bowl worthy invites. They are just going to cost you monies later on. /end sarcasm for now Bring back Whaley! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:12 AM, stuvian said: http://buffalonews.com/2018/04/09/espn-slams-bills-over-signing-of-dt-star-lotulelei/ In other news, Water is Wet Seriously, teams always "overpay" for FA. Either the teams get what they want and the player still has a fire in his belly after getting paid (in which case who cares) or they don't and he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Seems rather high especially if you're counting on the rookie MLB to contribute to that number significantly. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Can't see it. Still far too high with TM included. Will you buy 20 sacks and 2 safeties? Ok, maybe 30 is a bit optimistic but I can see 30 if you throw Murphy in there as well. I can see a resurgence from J. Hughes and some stellar rookie play from Edmunds. Murphy seems like blue collar lunch pail material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Will you buy 20 sacks and 2 safeties? Ok, maybe 30 is a bit optimistic but I can see 30 if you throw Murphy in there as well. I can see a resurgence from J. Hughes and some stellar rookie play from Edmunds. Murphy seems like blue collar lunch pail material. That seems realistic. Hughes' career best season totaled 10 sacks while Murphy had one 9 sack season so 30 with Edmunds included seems far beyond what I can fathom as attainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:37 AM, teef said: this was an appropriate reaction. No 54 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Bring back Whaley! Also No (sorry, saw the sar chasm just couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It's definitely surprising as sought after free agents from warmer climates usually take a pay cut to come here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:19 PM, liverpoolkev said: No I'm good You can if you want No I'm good If you don't like my facts you can leave Not sure "facts" means what you think it means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) The average team rushing yards per game (for all teams) last year in the NFL was 110 yards. In Buffalo's first six games of the season, they gave up: 38 yds to the Jets 77 yds to Carolina 111 yds to Denver 147 yds to Atlanta 62 yds to Cinci 69 yds to Tampa So, 4 of 6 games they held teams way below the average, one game around average, and one bad game (but to Atlanta who has a pretty good set of RBs and overall offense) October 27th, the team trades Marcell to Jax and the next four games look like this: 166 yards to Oakland 194 yards to the Jets (after holding them to 38 in the first meeting) 298 yards to NO 146 yards to the Chargers Yes, we probably overpaid for Star, but he is exactly what this defense needs. And there has been some talk that he has improved his pass rushing game, but we actually don't even need that from him. We now have plenty of players who are good at rushing the passer (Kyle, Jerry, Murphy, and Yarbrough, at least, from the D-line; and all 3 LBs can rush the passer well: Zo, Milano, and Edmunds, and we have safeties and corners who can rush if called upon by the scheme). McDermott can bring pressure from anywhere. What we needed was a big man to clog up running lanes, stop any push of the pocket (so the QB can't climb the pocket and step up away from the rush), and free up other defenders by consistently taking up two blockers. I believe that the three reasons we were so bad at getting sacks last year were: 1. teams were gashing us up the middle in the run game, so they usually had short 2nd and third down distances, negating any pressure because the passes get out too fast. 2. QBs could step up into the pocket to avoid the rush because O-lines were getting good push against our front. and 3. Teams just didn't have to throw much because they were marching up and down the field mostly with their run games. Hopefully Star fills that hole left by Marcell and we improve in all of those areas, allowing our pass rushers more opportunities, while also being better against the run. Edited July 6, 2018 by folz 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, folz said: The average team rushing yards per game (for all teams) last year in the NFL was 110 yards. In Buffalo's first six games of the season, they gave up: 38 yds to the Jets 77 yds to Carolina 111 yds to Denver 147 yds to Atlanta 62 yds to Cinci 69 yds to Tampa So, 4 of 6 games they held teams way below the average, one game around average, and one bad game (but to Atlanta who has a pretty good set of RBs and overall offense) October 27th, the team trades Marcell to Jax and the next four games look like this: 166 yards to Oakland 194 yards to the Jets (after holding them to 38 in the first meeting) 298 yards to NO 146 yards to the Chargers Adding a bit to your argument, Dareus was out for the Denver game and not as effective when he played in the Atlanta game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:26 AM, ScottLaw said: ESPN is on its last legs. Surprised people still read/watch them. If by "last legs" you mean still far and away the largest, most popular and followed sports media outlet, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Adding a bit to your argument, Dareus was out for the Denver game and not as effective when he played in the Atlanta game. True. But they won both games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 8:20 AM, teef said: this team is dead to me. Now this is a reply I can sink my Teef into. Naw, I was just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Did not read all responses but ESPN writes articles based on 535 which tells the value of Star based on his numbers-NFL is the least reasonable to quantify because so many things are scheme dependent. Star might be overpaid but no one has any idea for at least 2 years, unless they know Buffalo could have had him for less-which they do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 7:20 AM, TheTruthHurts said: Says who? His teammates say he allows them to stuff the run. When he's there for 50% of the snaps. We signed a rotation NT. I'd like to know why he wasn't playing more. I may be wrong but Panthers fans have told me he really didn't play as much as you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 They ought to know. They have been overpaying for quite a few things lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: When he's there for 50% of the snaps. We signed a rotation NT. I'd like to know why he wasn't playing more. I may be wrong but Panthers fans have told me he really didn't play as much as you'd think. It looks like Star hovered around 60% of the defensive snaps and 17% of special teams snaps. Which seems about right for a big man... rotational is not a bad thing, those guys need some rest to maximize the snaps they do play. And McDermott is big on rotating all of his linemen. And McD was Star's defensive coordinator for 4 of his 5 seasons. 2017: 59% of defensive snaps 19% of special teams snaps (16 games) 2016: 60% of defensive snaps 17% of special teams snaps (16 games) 2015: 48% of defensive snaps 11% of special teams snaps (14 games - missed 2 games due to injury which lowers his snaps %) 2014: 47% of defensive snaps 14% of special teams snaps (14 games - missed 2 games due to injury " " ) 2013: 60% of defensive snaps 14% of special teams snaps (16 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 He's cheaper than it would have been to keep Dareus, he's not a risk for being suspended, and he might actually give a crap about being a professional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said: Yeah we overpaid for our safties last year and then they showed they are pro-bowlers Who said we overpaid for our Ss? Almost everyone loved the Hyde signing and apogee hardly broke the bank. Bills fans are so sensitive. Yes, we probably over paid for a run stuffing DT in a passing league. If he produces and shuts down the run his first couple of years, it’s a good move. Personally, I think run stuffers are out dated but we will see. 1 hour ago, Doc said: He's cheaper than it would have been to keep Dareus, he's not a risk for being suspended, and he might actually give a crap about being a professional. True but Dareus is a far superior talent. Plus, we still have Dareus dead money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Who said we overpaid for our Ss? Almost everyone loved the Hyde signing and apogee hardly broke the bank. Bills fans are so sensitive. Yes, we probably over paid for a run stuffing DT in a passing league. If he produces and shuts down the run his first couple of years, it’s a good move. Personally, I think run stuffers are out dated but we will see. True but Dareus is a far superior talent. Plus, we still have Dareus dead money. I recall more than a few saying the Bills overpaid for Hyde and especially Poyer. I knew Hyde would be a good signing but was thrilled with how Poyer did. As for Dareus, the dead money was a sunk cost. And talent means little if you don't use it to its fullest extent. I guess we'll see how each does moving forward. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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