Well that Seals it Josh Allen # 1 over all

[BBillsWestCoast]

Allen is great for all of the short, intermediate and especially deep outs for the controlled stuff. For such a killer arm and a staged event, the super deep throughs were not really on target. I think this guy can have success and I do believe he will need a QB whisperer for 2 years. The statements that he lacks anticipation reminds me of Tyrod and the other QBs outside of the top 12 of the NFL. I am leaning towards Mayfield a bit at #12, but I can see how scouts get excited on the potential.

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

I hope Josh Allen goes number one. We might have a chance at Sam Dahnold then. Yes, I know I spelled his last name wrong, but it sounds funnier when Arnold Schwarzenegger says his own name, "Ahhhnold."

 

But Dahnold compared to Andrew Luck? That's flat out wrong.

[Kelly101]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Name one QB that has failed because he can't play in cold weather. Peterman has a notoriously weak arm and he looked his best in the snow game. This is a totally meaningless thing to scout.

i thought he looked decent but the play where he got injured was probably the dumbest

thing ive ever seen a qb do.

[JohnnyK]

A few thoughts:

Allen is going in the 1st round, like for sure!

 

IMO where he goes will make or break him.  IMO if u flip A. Rodgers and A. Smith their situations would be the opposite...with Rodgers not working out and Smith being very good in GB.  My point is if the Steelers take Allen and he sits behind Big Ben a year or two and takes over a good team he will do well...If he goes early to a bad team and gets thrown to the wolves it will not work out well for him.  I believe this has been the case for years now...with most QBs.  Again just my opinion.  Look at Jimmy G and Matt Cassel (spelling?) in NE. 

 

The Bills just need to get it right...they also seem to be in a good position, if they don't sell the farm to move up...again IMO!

 

Go bills!

 

 

[FrankoElTanko]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..IF he goes #1, the Kiper "I told you so" drool will over soak his hi-heels..........

It would likely be one of Kiper's first accurate mock picks ever... He is notoriously terrible

[LEBills]

According to USA Today, Allen had a recent private workout with the bills:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/454448002

 

(3rd to last paragraph)

Edited March 23, 2018 by LEBills

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, stony said:

Did anyone else hear Mayock cream himself multiple times?

You could definitely tell that was forced. The guys been hyping Allen way more than he should’ve been all offseason. 

 

I would spend nothing more than a later second rounder on that kid. 

 

I dont know how people can get get so hyped over this kid. Reminds me of the Nassib hype from the board a few years ago. 

 

Sell the farm, get the real deal. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, FrankoElTanko said:

It would likely be one of Kiper's first accurate mock picks ever... He is notoriously terrible

 

 

....I want to see the 2018 version of the hilarious 1994 Mel vs Colts GM Bill Tobin fight..........

[Bill_with_it]

4 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. 

Wat?

[Gigs]

Did he complete more than 56% of his passes? Because he can’t seem to do that when it counts. 

 

“But the cast around him”

 

Nice excuses tho. Good QBs make those around them better. Josh Allen seems to be getting the Jake Locker treatment with this excuse of lack of talent around him. Or how Allen has massive features. Sounds like Ryan Mallet. Or his athletic ability should help him overcome his accuracy issues, like Tim Tebow. 

 

If Kyle Williams can have a great college career and slide into the 5th round, so can Josh Allen. Kyle Williams isn’t a QB you say? Neither is Josh Allen. 

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Gigs said:

Did he complete more than 56% of his passes? Because he can’t seem to do that when it counts. 

 

“But the cast around him”

 

Nice excuses tho. Good QBs make those around them better. Josh Allen seems to be getting the Jake Locker treatment with this excuse of lack of talent around him. Or how Allen has massive features. Sounds like Ryan Mallet. Or his athletic ability should help him overcome his accuracy issues, like Tim Tebow. 

 

If Kyle Williams can have a great college career and slide into the 5th round, so can Josh Allen. Kyle Williams isn’t a QB you say? Neither is Josh Allen. 

 

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

List of NFL prospects coming out for each QBs school for 2018 and 2019. (offense only)

 

Sam Darnold: 6

 

Josh Rosen: 5

 

Baker Mayfield: 6

 

Lamar Jackson: 3

 

Mason Rudolph: 5

 

Josh Allen: 0

 

 

 

Deny it all you want, but the no supporting cast argument has some salt to it. Allen also took the most snaps from under center, he will be the best QB in the draft. More talent than anyone else this year, by far.

[Bobby Hooks]

45 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

 

 

Deny it all you want, but the no supporting cast argument has some salt to it. Allen also took the most snaps from under center, he will be the best QB in the draft. More talent than anyone else this year, by far.

Ha, no. not even close. 

 

I feel like a lot of the older folks like Allen. Maybe because he looks like the all-American boy next door? Idk, I just don’t understand the love. 

 

How does any fan of the Bills ever want to take a guy with obvious accuracy issues? Have we not had enough of that? 

 

If theres one thing a qb has proven they can’t learn its to be an accurate passer. You have it or you don’t. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[BillnutinHouston]

5 hours ago, dbflaBill said:

Not a great football IQ

 

Yet contrary to your expert judgement, Mayock reported today that 3 NFL teams view him as phenomenal on the whiteboard.   

 

 

[Luka]

Rosen has a completion percentage of 63% when facing the blitz. That's the best QB in the draft.

 

While Allen certinaly has everything physically you could ever dream of in a QB, it's been proven time and time again that it isn't easy to fix a guys mechanics. In fact, it's damn near impossible. And any flaw will be exponential at the NFL level. Sloppy mechanics and poor decision making will not be easy to fix going from the competition at Wyoming to the NFL.

[SteveFreeman22]

6 hours ago, dbflaBill said:

I live out of town I will buy you a large pizza and 20 wings if Allan goes in the top 10. Believe me its not happening. 

First you say he won't go in the 1st round then all of a sudden it's not in the top 10. Need a neck brace for that whiplash ?

[Mr_Robotulism]

Anyone who thinks Allen is good needs to stop watching football. Guy is not good. Seen him miss a net target from ten yards away. When I say missed he did it by 3 yards 

[Mat68]

Hes going to be Jeff Goerge or Farve, Marino.  Hes unique in the way that Joel Embid has not play basketball that long but can do things most guys cant.  Allen wasnt an elite 11 recruite.  He was playing baseball.   Now that he is with Qb coach, same one as Darnold, he has improved his footwork in a way your mind wanders to what will he look like in 12 months with NFL coaching, training, and talent around him.  If he has the fortitude and the drive he could be great.  He could be ehhhh.. with that arm ehhhhhh is a 10 year career starting and back up.  

Edited March 24, 2018 by Mat68

[Bobby Hooks]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Hes going to be Jeff Goerge or Farve, Marino.  Hes unique in the way that Joel Embid has not play basketball that long but can do things most guys cant.  Allen wasnt an elite 11 recruite.  He was playing baseball.   Now that he is with Qb coach, same one as Darnold, he has improved his footwork in a way your mind wanders to what will he look like in 12 months with NFL coaching, training, and talent around him.  If he has the fortitude and the drive he could be great.  He could be ehhhh.. with that arm ehhhhhh is a 10 year career starting and back up.  

Allen can be Marino? 

 

Wow, please step away from the computer. 

[Mat68]

5 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Allen can be Marino? 

 

Wow, please step away from the computer. 

Marino and Farve in an arm talent and 3 years of college exp are the outliers why he is going top 10 5.  You may not think he has a special arm.  Again, jeff george would be a bust as well.  So idk what made you so upset, but before his senior year Mario was sup 60% as well.

Edited March 24, 2018 by Mat68

[jrober38]

3 hours ago, stony said:

Did anyone else hear Mayock cream himself multiple times?

 

Mayock is obsessed with big, strong, mobile, rocket armed QBs. 

 

He always gets suckered in on physical attributes and often just completely ignores the game tape. 

 

Every year he says Player X had an unbelievable pro day and he's moving them up the board.

 

He's really not a good scout at all when it comes to QBs. 

[Joaquin1119]

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Marino and Farve in an arm talent and 3 years of college exp.   Are the outliers why he is going top 10 5.  You may not think he has a special arm.  Again, jeff george would be a bust as well.  So idk what made you so upset, but before his senior year Mario was sup 60% as well.

 

Comparing college QB production from the early 80s to today is not smart. 

 

In 1982, ONE college QB passed for more than 3,500 yards. 

 

In 2017, NINETEEN guys did it.

[Bobby Hooks]

33 minutes ago, Joaquin1119 said:

Same guy seen in photos with his dad wearing all Pats gear? 

 

Excuse me me if I don’t swoon. 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

Comparing college QB production from the early 80s to today is not smart. 

 

In 1982, ONE college QB passed for more than 3,500 yards. 

 

In 2017, NINETEEN guys did it.

I get it.  People in NFL see that kind of arm.  If he goes top 5 that is why  He has a high probabilty of busting.  If he doesnt hes incredible.  He is 50/50 great subpar.  His ceiling is what I said.  Because his probabilty of Busting i wont trade up for him, i do understand why a team would take a chance on him. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Mat68

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Allen can be Marino? 

 

Wow, please step away from the computer. 

 

Did you say Marino could be Staubach ? 

25 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I get it.  People in NFL see that kind of arm.  If he goes top 5 that is why  He has a high probabilty of busting.  If he doesnt hes incredible.  He is 50/50 great subpar.  His ceiling is what I said.  Because his probabilty of Busting i wont trade up for him, i do understand why a team would take a chance on him. 

 

So do I and I can see him backing up Keenum for a couple of years in Denver.

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Same guy seen in photos with his dad wearing all Pats gear? 

 

Excuse me me if I don’t swoon. 

 

Yep, same impressionable kid. 

[danc]

6 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

List of NFL prospects coming out for each QBs school for 2018 and 2019. (offense only)

 

Sam Darnold: 6

 

Josh Rosen: 5

 

Baker Mayfield: 6

 

Lamar Jackson: 3

 

Mason Rudolph: 5

 

Josh Allen: 0

 

 

Food for thought;  if people say an NFL franchise QB makes the players around them better, wouldn't this be true in college also?  I'm not necessarily knocking Allen but I don't think the number of prospects should be used like some people do to diminish what the other QB have accomplished.

[BigDingus]

Everyone knew he'd have a good pro day & combine before either happened!

It's rarer for a QB to NOT have a good pro day than to have one, considering they control & setup all the entire event. It's all a well choreographed show, and not even close to representative of being in-game.

On the field, he's nowhere close to that good.                         

6 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

List of NFL prospects coming out for each QBs school for 2018 and 2019. (offense only)

 

Sam Darnold: 6

 

Josh Rosen: 5

 

Baker Mayfield: 6

 

Lamar Jackson: 3

 

Mason Rudolph: 5

 

Josh Allen: 0

 

 

 

Why don't you go back & look at what teams are in his division, and who he played against.

Here's a hint, the other teams in his conference had the same types of players on their roster too, yet he still couldn't beat them or put up monster numbers!

When all your competition has the same level of players, your excuse can't be "I have nobody around me to work with, that's why I'm bad!" The response to that is "well so did everyone else!"

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Sarcasm ??

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Josh Allen is Fools Gold.

 

Has a bigtime arm and prototype size but hardly anything else. Does he check the boxes required to be a franchise QB . Let's see.

 

Positives

✔ Big Cannon arm capable of making any throw with ease. 

✔Played in Pro style offense at Wyoming 

 

Negatives doesn't throw with consistent

❌ Accuracy

❌  Touch 

❌  Timing 

❌ Anticipation 

❌  Under Pressure 

❌  Awareness 

 

Now if this was a finals exam i would have to say he's failing with a F grade. Yes he passes the arm strength test but otherwise he doesn't do much else with consistent success.  Jamarcus Russell once had the greatest pro day of all time let's not be fooled by the fools gold that Josh Allen is. 

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

He might be the greatest QB to don a pair of shorts since JaMarcus Russel.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

Wyoming QB Josh Allen reportedly "dazzled" at the Cougars' Pro Day on Friday, and afterwards NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggested Allen is more naturally gifted than Eagles QB Carson Wentz.

 

Allen has drawn some Wentz comparisons in the scouting community. Both are big, athletic, strong-armed passers, and Allen played for the same coach Wentz did at North Dakota State. "From a physical talent perspective, this kid is a better athlete with more arm talent (than Wentz)," Mayock observed.

 

The Cleveland Plain Dealer says Allen "alleviated concerns about his 56.2 completion percentage at Wyoming and kept himself firmly in the conversation for the Browns' No. 1 overall pick." The Browns sent a full contingency of owner Jimmy Haslam, GM John Dorsey, coach Hue Jackson, assistant GM Eliot Wolf, and OC Ken Zampese to watch Allen's workout.

 

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

Mar 23 - 3:21 PM

[17 Josh Allen]

This guy is the wild card of this draft. he could be the 1st QB taken or the 4 or 5th QB taken. No one knows. He has the biggest ceiling of any QB, but his floor is the lowest. Only time will tell. The guy needs coaching and work and time to grow.  I’m a fan and I would love to see the Bills select him. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[KRT88]

Yep that’s it, playing in shirts vs no one he’s #1! 

 

With the first pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns draft Sam Darnold

 

with the second puck Buffalo picks Josh Rosen

[Seventeen]

I'm in the minority here, but I like Allen and think he can be a good if not great QB at the NFL level. Folks say you can't teach throwing mechanics at the NFL level but I disagree. You change patterns with repetitive work and maybe his change is minor. Pro golfers do it all the time - look at how many times Tiger Woods has changed his swing. Matthew Stafford has made the adjustment just fine and improved his accuracy. 

 

I'd rather have the humble farm kid from the small town with the big upside than Baker Manziel ( I need a reality pre-draft show), or Josh "Hot Tub" Rosen who's a big head hit from being out of the league, or small hands whirlybird Darnold who has not played much in crappy weather. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Looper

[Coach Tuesday]

36 minutes ago, Looper said:

I'm in the minority here, but I like Allen and think he can be a good if not great QB at the NFL level. Folks say you can't teach throwing mechanics at the NFL level but I disagree. You change patterns with repetitive work and maybe his change is minor. Pro golfers do it all the time - look at how many times Tiger Woods has changed his swing. Matthew Stafford has made the adjustment just fine and improved his accuracy. 

 

I'd rather have the humble farm kid from the small town with the big upside than Baker Manziel ( I need a reality pre-draft show), or Josh "Hot Tub" Rosen who's a big head hit from being out of the league, or small hands whirlybird Darnold who has not played much in crappy weather. 

 

The Bills don't even have a real QB coach...

[Not at the table Karlos]

18 hours ago, HansLanda said:

What did we all know before the combine? 

 

The best guy in shorts will be Josh Allen.  

 

What do we see on game tape?

 

Uh, lots of question marks. 

I don't think he was even close to being the best guy in shorts. 

16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

The Bills don't even have a real QB coach...

This scares me. We've known that we need a qb. Make trades to get ammo so we have opportunity to trade up and we're gonna have a wr and tell coach develop him. Wtf

[Chuck Wagon]

It's ludicrous, but if the Browns have Darnold and Allen close, they should take the guy they have first at 1 and if they guy they have second is available at 4, take him too.

 

Best case, they are both good and you are trading one for a mega-ransom.

 

Medium case, one is good and the other either isn't or doesn't get a chance to show much, and you are still trading him for something, but you have a franchise QB.

 

Worst case, they both bust, but you are getting fired anyway.

[Putin]

19 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. 

I don’t know about moving all the way to the one spot , but how bout this 

Maybe Cleveland will take Peterman and will swap the 12 for the 4 , 

( I’m serious ?‍♂️)

[Lurker]

19 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2003/04/24/an-armful-of-talent-at-quarterback/9b7db504-5239-490b-93fc-faba3ecec8c0/?utm_term=.a8b80d515dd3

 

Thanks for posting that horror story.   Better than anything Stephen King cound have wrote...

[Jay_Fixit]

I really want the Jets to take this guy.