Flip Johnson Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Are we entirely sure Josh Allen won't be available at #12? Let's say we can't or don't get up to #2 and QBs go 1,2,3 - Darnold/Browns, Rosen/Giants, Mayfield/Jets. Who would pick a QB next? #4 - Browns - would have just picked a QB #5 - Broncos - already have Keenum, think they are a contender now. #6 - Colts - have Luck #7 - Bucs - have Winston #8 - Bears - have Trubisky #9 - SF - have Garropolo #10 - Oakland - have Carr #11 - Miami - maybe Miami would consider a QB Obviously other teams are in the mix and could leapfrog into that position. But it is possible that a) the Giants don't take a QB and b) no QBs are drafted between 4 and 11. If the Bills are set on Josh Rosen, none of that helps. But I suspect that they may be interested in both Allen and Rosen. Beane has the liberty to go slow and continue to evaluate because he has the ammo to get up into the top 5, but the possibility exists that a guy they like falls to him. Everyone seems to want Beane to give away the farm to get to #2. He may do that, but this is a case where patience could be rewarded. The Bears last year gave away a fortune to move up from #3 to #2 to get a player they could have stayed put for. The Jets may have just done the same thing if the guy they want is Mayfield. Beane may get his guy by staying put or making a smaller draft day trade and still keep all or most of the war chest. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922017/article/bucky-brooks-mock-draft-30-new-york-jets-land-josh-rosen Edited March 20, 2018 by Flip Johnson additional comment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) It's more likely Baker is available at 12 than Allen IMO. Also, teams behind us who may be interested in QB (Arizona, Baltimore, Chargers) know we are the hurdle that needs to be jumped. Edited March 20, 2018 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) It's a deep draft for QBs, which is good for us. There are good prospects outside of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. I don't understand the panic. Edited March 20, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I want Allen the most of the bunch, I think. But he won’t be there most likely because other teams know the Bills are in need of a QB and if they want to get their guy before we pick they will move up ahead of us. In a perfect world tho, he would be available for the same reasons you say. I also believe the Giants take Barkley at 2 or the Browns will forst overall and then take QB at 4. Ill say this, if we get to 8 or so and the QB they want (no matter who it is) is still there, I expect us to move up no matter what the cost. Hopefully it’s just a swap of picks and giving up something like a 2nd or 3rd at that point but who knows 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will-GM-for-food Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Could the Jets be targeting Allen? Sure they moved up due to the threat of Buf leapfrogging them, but it could have also been strongly motivated by the many rumors out there of Buf LOVING Allen and NY doesn't want to miss out on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 We should all hope the Jets take Allen at 3. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I don't want Allen on the Bills. It would not surprise me at all if he fell in the draft. I would pass on him at 12 still. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Browns, Jets, Denver and possibly Miami are all in the market for Qbs. There's even a chance the Giants take one. My guess - and that's all it is - is 3 are gone when Bills pick so it's just a matter of which 3 are taken. The top 4 seem to be Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen so one of them should be there at 12. Then there's Jackson, Rudolph and all the rest. A 12th for one of the top 4 seems okay but for the rest, I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 No. God no. I wouldnt even take Allen at 22. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: It's a deep draft for QBs, which is good for us. There are good prospects outside of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. I don't understand the panic. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield = Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger We don't want another JP Losman! Have to trade up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Careful what you request. There are posters here who would choose testicular cancer over drafting Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I'm not making a request or saying that it is a good idea. I am not a professional QB evaluator. It is possible that the Bills want Allen and won't need to move to get him. Edited March 20, 2018 by Flip Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I’d maybe look at Allen in UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadtasteinQBs Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: We should all hope the Jets take Allen at 3. This is my dream scenario... Jets take Allen and Miami takes Rudolph lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Allen scares me, all of that arm talent and numbers that bad...I get it, he can throw through a wall, but all the highlights show him throwing to stationary receivers, it looks like he misses his first read and then runs around till someone is open. I get the argument that he didn't have superior talent around him, but nor was he playing against superior talent. Our WRs/TE might be the NFL version of the Wyoming receivers. I would rather get the ILB (if available). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, mrags said: I want Allen the most of the bunch, I think. But he won’t be there most likely because other teams know the Bills are in need of a QB and if they want to get their guy before we pick they will move up ahead of us. In a perfect world tho, he would be available for the same reasons you say. I also believe the Giants take Barkley at 2 or the Browns will forst overall and then take QB at 4. Ill say this, if we get to 8 or so and the QB they want (no matter who it is) is still there, I expect us to move up no matter what the cost. Hopefully it’s just a swap of picks and giving up something like a 2nd or 3rd at that point but who knows This isn't an attempt to be snarky, I'm just curious... Why do you value Allen? Against power five teams, he was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. He only had two games over 300 yards passing in his entire collegiate career. One of those was against a school named Gardner Webb and the other took three overtimes. His career completion percentage is 56.2, despite having one of the lowest drop rates among this year's QBs. He had 44 TDs in his career, to go with 21 INTs. To put that into perspective, Baker Mayfield had 41 TD passes this year alone. Aside from his prototypical size and cannon arm, what do you see in Allen that makes you believe he'd be a standout QB? I just don't see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: This isn't an attempt to be snarky, I'm just curious... Why do you value Allen? Against power five teams, he was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. He only had two games over 300 yards passing in his entire collegiate career. One of those was against a school named Gardner Webb and the other took three overtimes. His career completion percentage is 56.2, despite having one of the lowest drop rates among this year's QBs. He had 44 TDs in his career, to go with 21 INTs. To put that into perspective, Baker Mayfield had 41 TD passes this year alone. Aside from his prototypical size and cannon arm, what do you see in Allen that makes you believe he'd be a standout QB? I just don't see it. Let me say this to start. I don’t follow college football other than watching highlights or once draft time rolls around. With that being said I like big strong armed QBs. I don’t like California QBs even though Allen is from California. He’s also not from southern cal. Grew up in a small town. He grew up as a farmer. But let’s get back to football. Hes big. Tall. Mobile enough. Has a super strong arm and a razor sharp release. While i I used to agree with all the flaws you speak of. I watched him a little bit and I think some of those things can and will be coached. I understand that he hasn’t done a whole lot against some really weak opponents. But I also look at the quality of team mates he had. He played for Wyoming. It’s not like this kid was around NFL caliber players like other QBs in Southern California teams, Oklahoma, etc. I will admit, the completion % scares me a little bit but I feel that can be fixed with nfl quality players around him and some coaching. With all that said, I really like Mayfield, although I feel he’s a little short. But his attitude and fire makes me want him a lot. I also really like Rosen (even tho I’m not a fan of SCal QBs) a lot. I would be happy with either of these 2 as well. I don’t want Darnold at all and would absolutely hate Jackson. I admittedly don’t know anything about Rudolph hows that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: It's more likely Baker is available at 12 than Allen IMO. Also, teams behind us who may be interested in QB (Arizona, Baltimore, Chargers) know we are the hurdle that needs to be jumped. Miami likes Baker. I don't think he will get by Miami. The other teams can still jump too, as you said. Allen won't make it past the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashdude Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: This isn't an attempt to be snarky, I'm just curious... Why do you value Allen? Against power five teams, he was 48 of 96 for 427 yards, with one touchdown and eight interceptions. He only had two games over 300 yards passing in his entire collegiate career. One of those was against a school named Gardner Webb and the other took three overtimes. His career completion percentage is 56.2, despite having one of the lowest drop rates among this year's QBs. He had 44 TDs in his career, to go with 21 INTs. To put that into perspective, Baker Mayfield had 41 TD passes this year alone. Aside from his prototypical size and cannon arm, what do you see in Allen that makes you believe he'd be a standout QB? I just don't see it. Here is some stats that show stats aren't always accurate: Tom Brady Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Michigan 395 638 61.9 4773 7.5 7.2 30 17 134.9 1996 Michigan Big Ten QB 2 3 5 60.0 26 5.2 -3.8 0 1 63.7 1997 Michigan Big Ten QB 4 12 15 80.0 103 6.9 6.9 0 0 137.7 1998 Michigan Big Ten QB 12 200 323 61.9 2427 7.5 7.0 14 10 133.1 1999 Michigan Big Ten QB 11 180 295 61.0 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138.0 Dan Marino Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7 *1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9 *1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7 *1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1 *1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2 Jim Kelly Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (FL) 376 676 55.6 5228 7.7 6.8 33 28 128.4 1979 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 48 104 46.2 721 6.9 5.3 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 109 206 52.9 1519 7.4 6.9 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 168 285 58.9 2403 8.4 7.2 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 51 81 63.0 585 7.2 7.4 3 1 133.4 Joe Montana Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Notre Dame 268 515 52.0 4121 8.0 6.8 25 25 125.6 1975 Notre Dame Ind QB 7 28 66 42.4 507 7.7 3.4 4 8 102.7 1977 Notre Dame Ind QB 9 99 189 52.4 1604 8.5 7.7 11 8 134.4 1978 Notre Dame Ind QB 11 141 260 54.2 2010 7.7 6.9 10 9 124.9 You guys would be puking at the thought of drafting one of these losers...who suck so bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSkills Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I'm pretty terrible at judging an NFL QB coming out of college. I liked Ryan Mallet, I liked Johnny football, thought Goff was going to suck, same with Cam. It's got to be the hardest position in all of sports to evaluate talent from college to pros.. that being said, I think Josh Allen looks terrible. reminds me of J. Russel big arm and not much of anything else other than "upside".. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I honestly don't think the Browns are planning to take a QB with the #1. Question is, what will the Giants do if that's the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, mrags said: Hes big. Tall. Mobile enough. Has a super strong arm and a razor sharp release. While i I used to agree with all the flaws you speak of. I watched him a little bit and I think some of those things can and will be coached. I understand that he hasn’t done a whole lot against some really weak opponents. But I also look at the quality of team mates he had. He played for Wyoming. It’s not like this kid was around NFL caliber players like other QBs in Southern California teams, Oklahoma, etc. I will admit, the completion % scares me a little bit but I feel that can be fixed with nfl quality players around him and some coaching. With all that said, I really like Mayfield, although I feel he’s a little short. But his attitude and fire makes me want him a lot. I also really like Rosen (even tho I’m not a fan of SCal QBs) a lot. I would be happy with either of these 2 as well. I don’t want Darnold at all and would absolutely hate Jackson. I admittedly don’t know anything about Rudolph hows that? True, Allen wasn't surrounded by NFL caliber talent, but he also had the luxury of going against DBs that won't even be considered as UDFAs. Playing against the likes of Gardner Webb, Texas State, New Mexico, etc., he should be KILLING those teams. If a player can't dominate in a pool of lesser talent, what does it say about that player? Forget about his stature and arm, his performance left A LOT to be desired. You're asking for someone who isn't innately accurate to star in a league where anticipation and accuracy are valued above all else. Can it be done? Sure, but it's asking a lot, considering no other QB in this modern era has gone on to have success when throwing for less than 60% in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I wouldn't mind drafting ALLEN at 12 After watching Allen's highlight reels, I am interested in seeing what he will look like behind a good offensive of line. From what I saw he was running for his life behind that WYOMING offensive of line. Edited March 20, 2018 by BBills88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 For me: Allen at 12 and it's %$(! you doin? Allen at 22 and it's meh..whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I wouldn't hate it. I don't think he becomes a star but take the shot, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, cashdude said: Here is some stats that show stats aren't always accurate: Tom Brady Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Michigan 395 638 61.9 4773 7.5 7.2 30 17 134.9 1996 Michigan Big Ten QB 2 3 5 60.0 26 5.2 -3.8 0 1 63.7 1997 Michigan Big Ten QB 4 12 15 80.0 103 6.9 6.9 0 0 137.7 1998 Michigan Big Ten QB 12 200 323 61.9 2427 7.5 7.0 14 10 133.1 1999 Michigan Big Ten QB 11 180 295 61.0 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138.0 Dan Marino Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7 *1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9 *1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7 *1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1 *1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2 Jim Kelly Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (FL) 376 676 55.6 5228 7.7 6.8 33 28 128.4 1979 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 48 104 46.2 721 6.9 5.3 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 109 206 52.9 1519 7.4 6.9 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 168 285 58.9 2403 8.4 7.2 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 51 81 63.0 585 7.2 7.4 3 1 133.4 Joe Montana Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Notre Dame 268 515 52.0 4121 8.0 6.8 25 25 125.6 1975 Notre Dame Ind QB 7 28 66 42.4 507 7.7 3.4 4 8 102.7 1977 Notre Dame Ind QB 9 99 189 52.4 1604 8.5 7.7 11 8 134.4 1978 Notre Dame Ind QB 11 141 260 54.2 2010 7.7 6.9 10 9 124.9 You guys would be puking at the thought of drafting one of these losers...who suck so bad. Are we back to this crap again? How many times are people going to invoke Kelly, Marino and Montana's college completion percentages as justification for taking Allen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: True, Allen wasn't surrounded by NFL caliber talent, but he also had the luxury of going against DBs that won't even be considered as UDFAs. Playing against the likes of Gardner Webb, Texas State, New Mexico, etc., he should be KILLING those teams. If a player can't dominate in a pool of lesser talent, what does it say about that player? Forget about his stature and arm, his performance left A LOT to be desired. You're asking for someone who isn't innately accurate to star in a league where anticipation and accuracy are valued above all else. Can it be done? Sure, but it's asking a lot, considering no other QB in this modern era has gone on to have success when throwing for less than 60% in college. Watching his highlights, i feel that Allen does something very nice that we all (many of us at least) liked in Peterman vs Tyrod. That he throws to WRs where they are going to be, not where they are. I would call that anticipation and I believe he has it. The accuracy while playing behind a line that has you running for your life is another thing (that doesn’t mean he will be any better here considering our line). The physical attributes have a lot to do with it to me. You cannot coach size. You cannot coach arm strength. I’d much rather have a big, tall, Big Ben type of QB than a smaller, shorter, Russel Wilson type. I also believe the type of weather we play in, that a bigger, taller, strong armed QB is better. We play in Buffalo 8 games a year, usually 2-5 in colder weather. We play in NY once a year, Mass once a year. It seems like we are always playing Cleveland, Cinco, Pitt, and KC. I’d just prefer a stronger QB I guess. Like I said previously, I love Mayfield and he is probably my 2nd with Rosen my 3rd. Both are very close and all 3 have something about them that makes them coveted at this point. I also find find it funny that we’re nitpicking here. Chances are, if we were to get Allen, he would be the best QB we’ve had since Kelly wore #12. It’s not like this guy is going to be a 5th or 6th round pick and I’m enamored with him over an early first rounder. EVERYONE in the football world believes he is not only a first round pick, but an early first round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashdude Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Are we back to this crap again? How many times are people going to invoke Kelly, Marino and Montana's college completion percentages as justification for taking Allen? I am not advocating taking Allen at all. I am simply saying nobody knows jack squat at this point and are basing all their opinions on stats from college. It is a completely valid position to look at stats of some of the best QBs ever to show that stats don't tell the whole story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Not sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Allen at 12 Evans at 22 Get those two guys with no trades I take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If Allen is there at 12 you have to take him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 12:10 PM, BuffaloSkills said: I'm pretty terrible at judging an NFL QB coming out of college. I liked Ryan Mallet, I liked Johnny football, thought Goff was going to suck, same with Cam. It's got to be the hardest position in all of sports to evaluate talent from college to pros.. that being said, I think Josh Allen looks terrible. reminds me of J. Russel big arm and not much of anything else other than "upside".. I guess we should take him then with your track record LOL On 3/20/2018 at 9:36 AM, Flip Johnson said: Are we entirely sure Josh Allen won't be available at #12? Let's say we can't or don't get up to #2 and QBs go 1,2,3 - Darnold/Browns, Rosen/Giants, Mayfield/Jets. Who would pick a QB next? #4 - Browns - would have just picked a QB #5 - Broncos - already have Keenum, think they are a contender now. #6 - Colts - have Luck #7 - Bucs - have Winston #8 - Bears - have Trubisky #9 - SF - have Garropolo #10 - Oakland - have Carr #11 - Miami - maybe Miami would consider a QB Obviously other teams are in the mix and could leapfrog into that position. But it is possible that a) the Giants don't take a QB and b) no QBs are drafted between 4 and 11. If the Bills are set on Josh Rosen, none of that helps. But I suspect that they may be interested in both Allen and Rosen. Beane has the liberty to go slow and continue to evaluate because he has the ammo to get up into the top 5, but the possibility exists that a guy they like falls to him. Everyone seems to want Beane to give away the farm to get to #2. He may do that, but this is a case where patience could be rewarded. The Bears last year gave away a fortune to move up from #3 to #2 to get a player they could have stayed put for. The Jets may have just done the same thing if the guy they want is Mayfield. Beane may get his guy by staying put or making a smaller draft day trade and still keep all or most of the war chest. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922017/article/bucky-brooks-mock-draft-30-new-york-jets-land-josh-rosen Broncos will take Mayfield. All the noise about Miami liking Mayfield is because Gase likes him and he will be the DEN coach next year IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If they are going to go for broke then go for the number one over all because the number 2 pick is going to cost all 3 number 1's the 2 this year & the other 1 for next year so if they are going to blow their wodd then just go for the first pick over all !! I hope they don't & Mc Bean & company get the LB out of GA with number 12 & then see where the rest of the QB's fall, at 22 there should be Rudolph, Jackson & who knows some are saying that Mayfield could quite possibly fall that far & if so they get a great MLB & a possible franchise QB & if nothing else a QB for trade bait like the Pats do overtime they turn around . Go Bills !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) On 3/20/2018 at 12:50 PM, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Are we back to this crap again? How many times are people going to invoke Kelly, Marino and Montana's college completion percentages as justification for taking Allen? Kelly and Marino's completion percentage was remarkably similar to the top ten NFL QBs at that time. Josh Allen's completion percentage is remarkably similar to Trevor Siemien. Those are the facts, fellow fans. I am truly hoping we are lucky enough that one of our divisional rivals are stupid enough to waste a first round pick on him. Edited March 26, 2018 by Tyrod's friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 10:49 AM, Flip Johnson said: I am not a professional QB evaluator. That's ok. Neither are the posters that think Allen is a guaranteed bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 8:54 PM, Wayne Arnold said: If Allen is there at 12 you have to take him. His quick release is a thing of beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 He's going to the Jets at 3. Can this thread be closed, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 10:59 AM, cashdude said: Here is some stats that show stats aren't always accurate: Tom Brady Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Michigan 395 638 61.9 4773 7.5 7.2 30 17 134.9 1996 Michigan Big Ten QB 2 3 5 60.0 26 5.2 -3.8 0 1 63.7 1997 Michigan Big Ten QB 4 12 15 80.0 103 6.9 6.9 0 0 137.7 1998 Michigan Big Ten QB 12 200 323 61.9 2427 7.5 7.0 14 10 133.1 1999 Michigan Big Ten QB 11 180 295 61.0 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138.0 Dan Marino Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7 *1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9 *1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7 *1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1 *1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2 Jim Kelly Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (FL) 376 676 55.6 5228 7.7 6.8 33 28 128.4 1979 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 48 104 46.2 721 6.9 5.3 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 109 206 52.9 1519 7.4 6.9 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 168 285 58.9 2403 8.4 7.2 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami (FL) Ind QB 11 51 81 63.0 585 7.2 7.4 3 1 133.4 Joe Montana Passing Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Notre Dame 268 515 52.0 4121 8.0 6.8 25 25 125.6 1975 Notre Dame Ind QB 7 28 66 42.4 507 7.7 3.4 4 8 102.7 1977 Notre Dame Ind QB 9 99 189 52.4 1604 8.5 7.7 11 8 134.4 1978 Notre Dame Ind QB 11 141 260 54.2 2010 7.7 6.9 10 9 124.9 You guys would be puking at the thought of drafting one of these losers...who suck so bad. Very nice post, I'm going to rewatch some games of Allen and then I'm done with this QB class. With Allen's arm strength and mobility if he can improve his accuracy a little bit he will be a Big Ben clone. As of right now now I would rank them 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Allen 4. Rosen 5. Falk 6. Rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 8:54 PM, Wayne Arnold said: If Allen is there at 12 you have to take him. I guess I would be ok with this... I just wouldn’t trade up for him in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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