Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Why would they move when they could take Barkley at 4? Taking Barkley at 4 would go against everything Dorsey has ever done as GM. If someone is willing to offer a "QB value package" to trade up, they do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Taking Barkley at 4 would go against everything Dorsey has ever done as GM. If someone is willing to offer a "QB value package" to trade up, they do it. But it would build the exact offence their OC had in Pitt. Big QB and franchise RB. The offense they run both the OC and the HC is power running and over the top long ball. Allen and Barkley would be perfect for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If Darnold is there I think the Giants have to take him. I don't love him, but everyone seems to agree he should clearly be #1 overall. If this is true, the Jets jumped the Broncos for Mayfield and we may see Rosen fall a bit, which is good for us. Mayfield would be set up to fail with that Jets team around him, which would be awesome. I would be willing to significantly over pay for Darnold at 2. I would also be happy to have Rosen slide to 6 and make a trade with Indy. It would be nice to get a better QB at 6 than the Jets get at 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Looper said: See Aaron Rodgers He was picked at 24, not 3. They sat him behind Favre, not AJ McCarron. Edited March 19, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said: Aaron Rodgers did not need years to develop. Rodgers needed Favre to leave. And how would anyone on this board know if Allen needs 3 years to develop outside of wild guesses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I actually think the NYG could nab Mayfield at 12 after trading back with Bills. His style is a lot like Keenum who Shurmer had success with. And yes i think he will be there. You're crazy, Yolo! There is zero chance 4 qbs don't go in the top ten. Mayfield will be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Looper said: And how would anyone on this board know if Allen needs 3 years to develop outside of wild guesses ? He doesn't need to be rebuilt. It's all level of comp and reading defenses. That could take 3 years to develop, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: He doesn't need to be rebuilt. It's all level of comp and reading defenses. That could take 3 years to develop, however. And could with the other big 3 as well - none of them has played as the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You're crazy, Yolo! There is zero chance 4 qbs don't go in the top ten. Mayfield will be one of them. Why is that crazy? NYG need O-line and could trade back, Denver needs help on D, Colts need everything BUT QB, then it goes bucs bears 49ers raiders - none of which need a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Looper said: And could with the other big 3 as well - none of them has played as the NFL level. It could. The other 3 have played against NFL players though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I have a feeling they stay at 12 and take Jackson. Which would be so Billsy, and a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Why is that crazy? NYG need O-line and could trade back, Denver needs help on D, Colts need everything BUT QB, then it goes bucs bears 49ers raiders - none of which need a QB. Every year people say qbs are going to drop. They almost never do, and this is a year in which the top five prospects are actually very promising. Teams that need one will almost certainly trade up. Edited March 19, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I’m gonna laugh when we trade up to 6, Beane watches the QB feeding frenzy ensue, blue chippers fall, and he takes Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: Why is that crazy? NYG need O-line and could trade back, Denver needs help on D, Colts need everything BUT QB, then it goes bucs bears 49ers raiders - none of which need a QB. Well, if NYG move back, then that's clearly because someone is taking a QB. That most likely means 3 QBs in the top 3, and then you have to imagine that such quick QB movement would result in someone else like Denver, Miami, Buffalo, Arizona, LAC, Baltimore, or Pittsburgh moving up to get a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Well, if NYG move back, then that's clearly because someone is taking a QB. That most likely means 3 QBs in the top 3, and then you have to imagine that such quick QB movement would result in someone else like Denver, Miami, Buffalo, Arizona, LAC, Baltimore, or Pittsburgh moving up to get a 4th. Agreed If there are 4 teams that evaluate one of the top 4 QBs as a franchise guy they are willing to hitch their jobs to, they'll go 1-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Well, if NYG move back, then that's clearly because someone is taking a QB. That most likely means 3 QBs in the top 3, and then you have to imagine that such quick QB movement would result in someone else like Denver, Miami, Buffalo, Arizona, LAC, Baltimore, or Pittsburgh moving up to get a 4th. All i did was say it's not crazy to say. Draft pundits are wrong... a lot. Sometimes people have a lot more disparity on a josh allen/baker mayfield than what the news people say. Also - sometimes people value a top prospect more than adding a 3rd to move down a few picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: All i did was say it's not crazy to say. Draft pundits are wrong... a lot. Sometimes people have a lot more disparity on a josh allen/baker mayfield than what the news people say. Also - sometimes people value a top prospect more than adding a 3rd to move down a few picks. Sure; I was laying out the scenario as I see it. I mean, we can feel pretty darn confident that at least 2 QBs go in the top 3, and then we can also feel confident that between Denver, Miami, Buffalo, Arizona, LAC, and Baltimore, 2 more will go soon thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Sure; I was laying out the scenario as I see it. I mean, we can feel pretty darn confident that at least 2 QBs go in the top 3, and then we can also feel confident that between Denver, Miami, Buffalo, Arizona, LAC, and Baltimore, 2 more will go soon thereafter. Yeah - I personally think Jackson might end up going higher than people think. Arm talents wonderful and all, but I think you can build a really unique offense around his skillsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Trade with Giants and we will have choice of all 3 IMO. I think Cleveland will take a QB at 4 not 1. Even if Cleveland takes Rosen then grab Darnold And if the Giants want to stay at 2? Trade isn’t a sure thing. I think it’s more unlikely the Giants move. They will take Barkley or a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Why take Jackson we just had Tyrod, sorry same run first QB that is not a pocket QB. They want a big pocket QB and Jackson is not that guy. Allen is both but very inconsistent. Allen/Jackson both projects to sit at least a full year. Rosen all day if the pocket QB is what they truly are after. Rosen is ready to fight for job day 1 or at least start by end of season. It's quite possible the Bills like Jackson and very possible they are in a position to draft him. They're not in a good position to draft Rosen right now. They might not be able to get there. None of us fans really know what they want, regardless of what's been said by Bills management. They've said lots of things, then done something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 1billsfan said: I was listening to WFAN this morning and Boomer Esiason said that he thinks the Browns and will select Josh Allen Because he matches what Todd Haley is looking for in a QB (big arm, Rothlesberger style). He also said that he thinks the Giants can not afford to not go QB and will select Sam Darnold. Gives Pat Shumer the young QB to groom behind Manning for one year. Eli Manning is due 23 million next year and ODB’s contract is going to be too huge of a deal to have both players. That would be about 40-50 million tied up in two positions. He then said that he thinks the Jets will pick Mayfield at #3. He didn’t go into much detail as to why other than he felt they were a good match. The Giants picking a QB is not being discussed much. The Bills might even have to give up a prime pick to trade up for Lamar Jackson (if they think he's a potential franchise QB) so that the Cardinals don’t jump ahead of them. If this is what unfolds, highly unlikely in my opinion, then the Bills go hard after the fourth pick and take Rosen before someone else grabs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Why take Jackson we just had Tyrod, sorry same run first QB that is not a pocket QB. Jackson has his flaws but he is not a "run first" QB. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think Josh Allen has a great chance at dropping, same goes for Baker Mayfield. I don't think 4 QBs go top 10, I just don't. I could see 3, but I highly doubt all 4 go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The Giants need a QB probably for next year but they don't need another QB mess this year so their best bet would be one who they could sit and 'coach up' for a year without fans screaming to play the new guy. The best fit for that role is Allen if they think his flaws can be corrected. But choosing a bench-warming project at number 2 is not a smart move. The better option would be to trade down for a couple more picks. I don't think they can safely drop below the 6th pick, so if the Bills want that second pick, they need to get to the 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Have you ever watched Lamar Jackson play if so I’m confused at what you saw. I don’t think they are going to take Lamar. But it’s not because he is just like Tyrod. I don’t see this comparison. They are both fast. That’s it. I've watched him play and he does do a lot of the same things that made Taylor so frustrating to watch. He has poor field vision, takes off running instead of trying to make a play passing and he has trouble reading defense's. I would be surprised if the Bills had him rated as a 1st rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 He doesn't know anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ddaryl said: If a QB needs 2 years to be ready they have no business being drafted i the 1st rd IMO I think that’s true for any position, and there’s especially no way in hell I would trade up for one. Save the major projects for Day 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: I think Josh Allen has a great chance at dropping, same goes for Baker Mayfield. I don't think 4 QBs go top 10, I just don't. I could see 3, but I highly doubt all 4 go. If QBs go 1/2/3, i could see it, but if barkley sneaks in it'll change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The Giants taking a QB is being discussed everywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 If the QBs go 1/2/3, this means most relevantly for the Bills, that the best LB, the best OL player, and even the best WR are still available. Given that quite frankly all the QBs are gonna need some work before they are ready to start, I'm loving a run on QBs as it makes it more likely we are gonna get 2 or 3 first day starters at other positions. Will we still need a franchise QB if we ever hope to win the SB? Yep! However, we also will NEED a quality TEAM for this franchise QB to nlead to an SB. I still prefer the Pitts method of building a TEAM that they then drafted BigBen to win the SB rather than draft your alleged franchise QB first and then rush Rosen, Darnold or whoever to btry to lead a very old Bills squad with significant holes to SB glory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 This is what is great about this draft... Totally possible those are the first 3 picks. Its also totally possible Cle and Giants dont go QB and Jets are first QB taken, followed by a QB at 4 by Cleveland. This has been the most interesting and exciting offseason in a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Magox said: One of the things that Beane always eludes to in the sort of DNA that he looks for is that they are a "competitor". If there is a knock on Rosen, it's that he is perceived to not be that much of a competitor. By the way, Rosen and Mayfield are my two favorites and from my untrained eye would be the ones that I hope we get. But the comments from Beane is something to consider. Maybe they aren't all that high on Rosen. Who knows? They also talk about "availability." Rosen is one concussion away from perhaps not playing. That is what worries me. My two favs. are Mayfield and Rosen, in that order. If we take Allen, blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 If the Giants go QB the Jets gave up way to much to move up three spots and get the third QB on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: If the Giants go QB the Jets gave up way to much to move up three spots and get the third QB on the board. So true. That will provide instant comedic value. Then we draft a QB at 12 who is better than whomever the Jets draft. Even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The Giants taking a QB is being discussed everywhere... Sorry, but I think you're wrong. Almost everything I've been reading and hearing over the last two weeks has been predicting the Giants will be picking Barkley at #2. It seemed like on this board, it was a given the Giants were drafting Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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