Yeezus Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Adjusted completion percentage for dropped passes, throwaways & passes where QB was hit • Rosen - 68.9% • Mayfield - 68.4% • L. Jackson - 64.7% • Darnold - 59.8% • J. Allen - 52.6% Source: https://twitter.com/alex_valdezmhh/status/971839131981623298?s=21 Season-long, top draft QBs, % of aimed passes deemed catchable (min 200 atts) Baker Mayfield 84.1% (best in NCAA) Josh Rosen 77.9% Lamar Jackson 77.6% Sam Darnold 74.1% Josh Allen 70.8% (92nd out of 100) NCAA AVG: 76.0% Source: https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09 PFF Drop Rates - Sam Darnold (6.81%); Josh Allen (7.84%); Baker Mayfield (9.49%); Josh Rosen (11.01%); Lamar Jackson (12.04%) Source: https://twitter.com/PFF_Neil/status/955928657129889792 Basically, everyone was blaming his bad WR's, but in fact he had one of the lowest drop rates out of all top prospects. Also everyone likes to mention how his best trait is his ability to escape pressure and make plays, well he is the worst top prospect in terms of that and the stats are literally right in your face to show you. everyone says Josh Rosen has a noodle arm and can't throw under pressure, yet he is by far the best QB in the draft at it. Why? Because he has good mechanics, footwork, and is deadly accurate...all things Allen isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) I see a mix of Rob Johnson and Jay Cutler Allen. Any ounce of pressure up the middle this guy has his head down bailing out, just like Rob Johnson. No. Pocket awareness is one of the biggest things I look for in a college QB, more than accuracy. College accuracy is important but 3rd on my list. Anticipation, pocket awareness and movement, accuracy. Edited March 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Allen is the next Jim Kelly. just wanted to be the first to say that after the Bills draft him. No matter how much you all think he sucks now, by training camp he'll be god's titties Edited March 15, 2018 by garybusey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, garybusey said: Allen is the next Jim Kelly. just wanted to be the first to say that after the Bills draft him. No matter how much you all think he sucks now, by training camp he'll be god's titties by training camp he will be he 3rd string QB behind Peterman bc he can't figure out how to learn the playbook or read an NFL defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: by training camp he will be he 3rd string QB behind Peterman bc he can't figure out how to learn the playbook or read an NFL defense. You got it Nostradamus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Stay away from Josh “JP” Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Stay away from Josh “JP” Allen Yea but did you know he's tall and he can throw far? Also big hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I’d be more upset about drafting him than I would be Jackson or Rudolph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The stat I worry about the most about Allen is that he drinks at the QB position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Not all great college players turn out to be great NFL players and conversely not all poorly graded college players play poorly in the NFL. In 2000 Chad Pennington was the first QB taken in that year's draft in the first round by the NY Jets. Giovanni Carmazzi was selected in the third by the 49ers. Chris Redman drafted in the third by the Ravens. Tee Martin was selected in the 5th by the Steelers. Marc Bulger was selected in the 6th round by the Saints. Spergon Wynn was selected in the 6th round by the Browns. Then some scrawny kid 6'4'' 211 lbs was taken in the 6th round by the Patriots. He was graded 9th out of 24 QB's that year and projected to be a 6-7th round pick. His name is... Unsung Hero: ... ..... had good statistics while in college, but he didn't have many accolades. He wasn't an All American. He didn't win the Heisman Trophy or Davey O'Brien Award. He wasn't all conference first or second team. ... ..... was All Big Ten Conference Honorable Mention. That's it. During his senior season, Drew Brees was widely recognized as the top QB in the Big Ten Conference. Antwaan Randle El also gained attention for being the most athletic QB in the conference. ..... was simply overlooked. Consequently, there just wasn't much hype surrounding him. Measurables: Scouts were hard on ....., as they are on most quarterbacks. They criticized his slow foot speed. They criticized his frame, saying he was too small. They criticized his arm strength. They said he couldn't throw a tight spiral. They said he couldn't improvise if a play broke down. Some even said that his good statistics were a product of him playing on a great team rather than him being a great player. Looking back, these criticisms are laughable. But at the time, those were legitimate concerns that made ........ value plummet. https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Tom-Brady-drafted-so-low Josh Allen started 2017 with a cast of rookies who knew very little and he basically carried that team to an 8-5 record on his shoulders with a bad offensive line, bad receivers and literally no run game. Stats are for losers. Go watch what the kid did in the senior bowl with decent talent around him. There is a real reason as to why the kid is ranked in the top four by almost everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Starr Almighty said: The stat I worry about the most about Allen is that he drinks at the QB position I think you are thinking of Kyle Orton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Not all great college players turn out to be great NFL players and conversely not all poorly graded college players play poorly in the NFL. In 2000 Chad Pennington was the first QB taken in that year's draft in the first round by the NY Jets. Giovanni Carmazzi was selected in the third by the 49ers. Chris Redman drafted in the third by the Ravens. Tee Martin was selected in the 5th by the Steelers. Marc Bulger was selected in the 6th round by the Saints. Spergon Wynn was selected in the 6th round by the Browns. Then some scrawny kid 6'4'' 211 lbs was taken in the 6th round by the Patriots. He was graded 9th out of 24 QB's that year and projected to be a 6-7th round pick. His name is... Unsung Hero: ... ..... had good statistics while in college, but he didn't have many accolades. He wasn't an All American. He didn't win the Heisman Trophy or Davey O'Brien Award. He wasn't all conference first or second team. ... ..... was All Big Ten Conference Honorable Mention. That's it. During his senior season, Drew Brees was widely recognized as the top QB in the Big Ten Conference. Antwaan Randle El also gained attention for being the most athletic QB in the conference. ..... was simply overlooked. Consequently, there just wasn't much hype surrounding him. Measurables: Scouts were hard on ....., as they are on most quarterbacks. They criticized his slow foot speed. They criticized his frame, saying he was too small. They criticized his arm strength. They said he couldn't throw a tight spiral. They said he couldn't improvise if a play broke down. Some even said that his good statistics were a product of him playing on a great team rather than him being a great player. Looking back, these criticisms are laughable. But at the time, those were legitimate concerns that made ........ value plummet. https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Tom-Brady-drafted-so-low Josh Allen started 2017 with a cast of rookies who knew very little and he basically carried that team to an 8-5 record on his shoulders with a bad offensive line, bad receivers and literally no run game. Stats are for losers. Go watch what the kid did in the senior bowl with decent talent around him. There is a real reason as to why the kid is ranked in the top four by almost everyone. I have watched him play. HE CANT HIT THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN kind of important for a QB. He is JP Losman All over again. So yes like Tom Brady I will take Josh Allen in the 6th round Edited March 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, garybusey said: Allen is the next Jim Kelly. just wanted to be the first to say that after the Bills draft him. No matter how much you all think he sucks now, by training camp he'll be god's titties You maybe right about Allen , but I'm still hoping it's Mayfield he may be smaller in size and doesn't have a canon for an arm , but I love his attitude the kid got heart , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think we'd be lucky to get a QB the caliber of Allen, the guy took a crappy team on his shoulders and lead them to a decent season, I would love any of those top QB's, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) yeah, all this is known. That's why drafting Allen would be a disaster. Rosen or Mayfield. Even Darnold. Edited March 15, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I watched film breakdown of the top prospects today and I would be extremely nervous if we ended up taking Allen. He has a lot of problems. I'd totally take him in the 2nd round and sit him for a couple years, but we are looking for a top of the first QB. I'm on the Rosen bandwagon. FYI, I don't watch college ball and know only what I have seen from people breaking down film on these guys. I could totally be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I think we'd be lucky to get a QB the caliber of Allen, the guy took a crappy team on his shoulders and lead them to a decent season, I would love any of those top QB's, just my opinion. Played nobody. When he did play a power 5 school he sucked. When and who has a sub 60% QB in college succeeded in NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Played nobody. When he did play a power 5 school he sucked. When and who has a sub 60% QB in college succeeded in NFL? Matt Stafford 3 years in college he averaged 57.1 comp % at Georgia , his final year he finally hit 61 comp %, 55.7 the year before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have watched him play. HE CANT HIT THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN kind of important for a QB. He is JP Losman All over again. So yes like Tom Brady I will take Josh Allen in the 6th round Horsehockey! The kid wowed the scouts at the combine and senior bowl with his ability to put the ball right where it needed to be. Just know that whatever you have to say makes no difference to who this team will select in the draft! If you don't like him feel free to denigrate him every chance you get like you did with Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Matt Stafford 3 years in college he averaged 57.1 comp % at Georgia , his final year he finally hit 61 comp %, 55.7 the year before that. Not a long list of successful sub 60% QBs in NFL 6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Horsehockey! The kid wowed the scouts at the combine and senior bowl with his ability to put the ball right where it needed to be. Just know that whatever you have to say makes no difference to who this team will select in the draft! If you don't like him feel free to denigrate him every chance you get like you did with Taylor. Underwear Olympics mean nada. Tebow put the ball where it needed to be against air. Horrible accuracy when real bullets flying. Stay away from JP Allen and seems i wasnt wrong about Taylor was I. And for the Record. Coming into the season I LOVED Allen. Then the season happened. However just like Taylor JP Allen if drafted gets two season to so improvement with his scattershot accuracy and poor choices Edited March 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 He has more upside than maybe any QB I’ve ever seen. Arm might be the best I’ve ever seen. Huge dude with good mobility. What’s not to like? His accuracy and decision making. The two most important aspects of being a good qb, if we draft him, over Rosen Darnold or Baker I’ll roll my eyes and sigh, then I’ll jump on board and love the kid and hope that we can develop him properly. Then wait........that’s the worst part about drafting him. We have to be patient. I don’t want to be patient. I’m like the chick in Willy wonka who eats all the gum/candy w/e it was. I WANT IT NOW!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Matt Stafford 3 years in college he averaged 57.1 comp % at Georgia , his final year he finally hit 61 comp %, 55.7 the year before that. Stafford, Cutler, Tyrod Taylor all had comp% below 60% in college and improved once they got to the NFL. It doesn't always work that way though. Allen played on a bad team in 2017 and was running for his life most of the time with receivers that dropped a lot of passes. Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 players in this year's draft and Allen is listed at 14th behind Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield. Of those three listed the only one I like is Mayfield. All of them have warts IMO and Allen is no different. Rosen has durability issues and Darnold has fumbling issues. RANK 14 Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming Allen has ideal size, arm strength and mobility. At Wyoming, he split time underneath and in the shotgun. He has quick feet in his setup and a smooth, fluid release. He's at his best driving the ball to the outside. He generates outrageous velocity and can squeeze the ball into very tight windows. He must improve on touch throws, but he has shown the ability to change ball speed and throw with loft. He needs to throw with more anticipation and there are times where he really locks onto his initial read, which can lead to pass breakups and turnovers. While he has room to improve on his overall ball placement, there were numerous dropped balls by his receivers in every game I studied. Allen's combination of athleticism and strength allows him to avoid free rushers and shake off tacklers. He's an aggressive runner and he's been effective on designed QB runs as well as scrambles. Allen isn't a finished product, but he offers unlimited upside, provided his drafting team exercises patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: He has more upside than maybe any QB I’ve ever seen. Arm might be the best I’ve ever seen. Huge dude with good mobility. What’s not to like? His accuracy and decision making. The two most important aspects of being a good qb, if we draft him, over Rosen Darnold or Baker I’ll roll my eyes and sigh, then I’ll jump on board and love the kid and hope that we can develop him properly. Then wait........that’s the worst part about drafting him. We have to be patient. I don’t want to be patient. I’m like the chick in Willy wonka who eats all the gum/candy w/e it was. I WANT IT NOW!!! I don't think he'd wait, you think Mccaron or Peterman would start over him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I don't think he'd wait, you think Mccaron or Peterman would start over him? I think McCarron should start the whole year if we draft Allen. Of course, if he completely sucks, go with whoever they think is more ready, Peterman or Allen. Personally, I think Allen is best sitting for a whole year and learning. Big time talent that they could be afraid of throwing into the fire. Rightfully so. He needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I don't think he'd wait, you think Mccaron or Peterman would start over him? I think AJ would be the starter no matter who they draft this year simply because they need to see what they have with him. All of them have warts except perhaps Mayfield who's only real flaw is his height and even then I kinda doubt he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 For some reason anything below 59% (Carson Palmer (59.1%) and Matt Ryan (59.9%)) and odds are they're a bust. Here's the 1st round QB's taken with a completion % below 59% in college since 1998: Ryan Leaf Akili Smith Cade McNown Michael Vick (running skills made him dynamic in NFL) Joey Harrington Kyle Boller JP Losman Jay Cutler Brady Quinn Matthew Stafford (to be fair he completed 62.1% his final year at Georgia) Jake Locker I'd consider two successful (Vick and Stafford), one average for a 1st round pick (Cutler) and the rest (8) busts. That's a 73% bust rate and there's even caveats to the two hits. I'd stay the heck away from this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, garybusey said: Allen is the next Jim Kelly. just wanted to be the first to say that after the Bills draft him. No matter how much you all think he sucks now, by training camp he'll be god's titties It’s not what we think- it’s what his numbers say...it is undeniable that Allen is the biggest risk of the group just by his numbers...I find it hard to believe smart men would put their jobs on the line for the QB that is the least sure thing- especially when Buffalo has never developed a QB, ever, and we have s defensive minded HC...now that’s a scary proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) I fear he is Jeff George, someone known for their arm talent, not their QB talent, I would actually stay as far away from him as possible. My ranking of the QB would be: 1-Darnold-I think he'll have to adjust his throwing motion, he drops the ball low, the additional motion allows CBs to jump routes, otherwise he looks like a sure thing. Expecting him to be the first QB taken (likely by the Browns) 2-Mayfield-it's not his attitude, it's his size, without a clean pocket he is just going to have a hard time. He will be successful in the Buffalo offense, this Erhardt-Perkins offense fits Mayfield perfectly. (third QB taken hopefully by Buffalo) 3-Rosen-Might have the prettiest throwing motion in the draft, balance and everything you want, my concern is his toughness. Again, like the two above him, I think he will be an exceptional QB in the NFL (2nd QB taken, Jets maybe) 4-Luke Falk-this could be the next Tom Brady, no wasted motion, good pocket awareness, good touch but doesn't zip the ball, don't get me wrong he can throw it, just doesn't zip it. My concern is he seems to fail in big game situation, he isn't going to be able to step in and take control day one, he is a person that you sit a year or two, but he is a good investment. (7th taken, ideally he'd end up on the west coast, LA Chargers) 5-Jackson-I love watching Jackson, but he is going to need some coaching...he is a faster Vince Young, I don't want to compare him to Vick, he is Young, he'll have a great beginning to his career and then teams will figure it out. (6th taken Denver Round 2) 6-Rudolph-I think there is a lot of talent here, but he is a system QB, his ideal landing spot would be with Patriots. There he could learn to play in the NFL and become Brady's replacement. (5th taken, by NE end of round one) 7-Josh Allen-all the reason we've talked about, tons of arm talent...I'm shocked by how bad his college stats were. they say that the Peytons and the Bradys of the NFL make their WRs better, if you could say the same about Allen, than he had pedestrians playing WR. But he looks the part (4th QB taken by Arizona) just one guys opinion. Edited March 15, 2018 by frogger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think it's fun to speculate, but the truth is that all the efforts we put into this is nothing compared to the work put in by the staff while making their decision. I was telling my son I hope we get Mayfield. I think he's got the right leadership style and excellent skill set. But then I reminded myself of Sam Darnold in a bowl game against Penn State a couple years ago. I think he had 5 td passes in the second half. In other words, it's torture. I have no idea. There are times I think Rosen is the guy, but I've read that he doesn't need football and doesn't care that much. I think our team is good at misdirection and keeping their hand close to the vest. Rumors may run rampant, but we won't know for sure till draft day. Unless they trade for the first pick and announce early, we won't know. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 hours ago, garybusey said: Allen is the next Jim Kelly. just wanted to be the first to say that after the Bills draft him. No matter how much you all think he sucks now, by training camp he'll be god's titties LOL re god's titties. Not sure about all that, but I do agree that he is going to be our pick. I trust Beane and company to do their homework and get the right guy, so no matter who it is, I will support the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) I noticed Allen likes to bail from a clean pocket too often. We just traded a QB who had the same problem. Aside from his noted struggles against power 5 teams... Quote Another red flag shows up in Allen's entire body of work at the college level. He's only thrown for more than 300 yards in a single game - and that was a 69-66 loss to UNLV that required three overtimes. This is a highlight/lowlight video, his lowlights start at 7:07. Josh Allen Film Study Edited March 15, 2018 by JayBaller10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Josh Allen is going to get a coaching staff fired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Played nobody. When he did play a power 5 school he sucked. When and who has a sub 60% QB in college succeeded in NFL? Stafford I think if you put these other QBs in the Wyoming offense and asked them to do what they asked Allen to do then you would see similar completion % numbers. Rosen would get me the most excited. I actually think Allen is my number 2. Then maybe Darnold although I would be worried about the extremely simplified offense that he ran. Mayfield scares me because his numbers are inflated by the scheme and his arm strength on the short throws is worse than the other 3. Everyone says Mayfield throws with anticipation, but when you watch some film of Mayfield you will see him double clutch and wait for guys to come open on the in breaking short stuff which won't work at the next level. Mayfield is not the dual threat nor does he have the arm talent of Russell Wilson so i don't see the appeal there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Yeezus said: Adjusted completion percentage for dropped passes, throwaways & passes where QB was hit • Rosen - 68.9% • Mayfield - 68.4% • L. Jackson - 64.7% • Darnold - 59.8% • J. Allen - 52.6% Source: https://twitter.com/alex_valdezmhh/status/971839131981623298?s=21 Season-long, top draft QBs, % of aimed passes deemed catchable (min 200 atts) Baker Mayfield 84.1% (best in NCAA) Josh Rosen 77.9% Lamar Jackson 77.6% Sam Darnold 74.1% Josh Allen 70.8% (92nd out of 100) NCAA AVG: 76.0% Source: https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09 PFF Drop Rates - Sam Darnold (6.81%); Josh Allen (7.84%); Baker Mayfield (9.49%); Josh Rosen (11.01%); Lamar Jackson (12.04%) Source: https://twitter.com/PFF_Neil/status/955928657129889792 Basically, everyone was blaming his bad WR's, but in fact he had one of the lowest drop rates out of all top prospects. Also everyone likes to mention how his best trait is his ability to escape pressure and make plays, well he is the worst top prospect in terms of that and the stats are literally right in your face to show you. everyone says Josh Rosen has a noodle arm and can't throw under pressure, yet he is by far the best QB in the draft at it. Why? Because he has good mechanics, footwork, and is deadly accurate...all things Allen isn't. I don't think very many people question Rosen's arm strength. Regarding throwing under pressure, his completion % was good, but his passer rating under pressure was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Footwork can be taught, arm strength cannot. Allen > Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said: Footwork can be taught, arm strength cannot. Allen > Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Footwork can be taught, arm strength cannot. Allen > Rosen. Please give us an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 How often are QBs asked to throw through a brick wall or over a mountain? How often are QBs asked to throw accurately at the WR? This is the difference between mayfield and Allen.. https://mobile.twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437/video/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Not all great college players turn out to be great NFL players and conversely not all poorly graded college players play poorly in the NFL. In 2000 Chad Pennington was the first QB taken in that year's draft in the first round by the NY Jets. Giovanni Carmazzi was selected in the third by the 49ers. Chris Redman drafted in the third by the Ravens. Tee Martin was selected in the 5th by the Steelers. Marc Bulger was selected in the 6th round by the Saints. Spergon Wynn was selected in the 6th round by the Browns. Then some scrawny kid 6'4'' 211 lbs was taken in the 6th round by the Patriots. He was graded 9th out of 24 QB's that year and projected to be a 6-7th round pick. His name is... Unsung Hero: ... ..... had good statistics while in college, but he didn't have many accolades. He wasn't an All American. He didn't win the Heisman Trophy or Davey O'Brien Award. He wasn't all conference first or second team. ... ..... was All Big Ten Conference Honorable Mention. That's it. During his senior season, Drew Brees was widely recognized as the top QB in the Big Ten Conference. Antwaan Randle El also gained attention for being the most athletic QB in the conference. ..... was simply overlooked. Consequently, there just wasn't much hype surrounding him. Measurables: Scouts were hard on ....., as they are on most quarterbacks. They criticized his slow foot speed. They criticized his frame, saying he was too small. They criticized his arm strength. They said he couldn't throw a tight spiral. They said he couldn't improvise if a play broke down. Some even said that his good statistics were a product of him playing on a great team rather than him being a great player. Looking back, these criticisms are laughable. But at the time, those were legitimate concerns that made ........ value plummet. https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Tom-Brady-drafted-so-low Josh Allen started 2017 with a cast of rookies who knew very little and he basically carried that team to an 8-5 record on his shoulders with a bad offensive line, bad receivers and literally no run game. Stats are for losers. Go watch what the kid did in the senior bowl with decent talent around him. There is a real reason as to why the kid is ranked in the top four by almost everyone. 3 This doesn't ease anything for me. His first half was atrocious. He turned some things around in the 2nd half but the first half was everything the grades said he was. Add on to that the up and down week he had and this is not a person I want in a Bills uniform. He's nowhere near ready. Then at the combine he did not shine on the chalkboard which matters ALOT. Edited March 15, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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