Tipster19 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The more time that passes and the Bills don’t do anything to address the QB position the more it convinces me that they definitely have a plan in place. I mean who gets rid of their starting QB and not have one in place?? Before anyone suggests that whatever rookie that is suppose to be taken in the draft, none of them are projected to be NFL ready right out of the gate. Is Peterman suppose to start?? I think not. Are the remaining FA QBs the answer? I would think not because that would be like writing off the season even before the season starts. Trading for Foles wouldn’t be hateful, maybe that’s the plan but looking at where the Colts are at in the draft (#3 overall pick) and all the draft capital that we have why couldn’t we make a run at Luck? Between last year’s publicity (team propaganda) and having a lunatic owner in Irsay I would say that anything is possible. Already having the #3 pick overall and all the prime draft picks that we could provide, the Colts would sure be able to address a lot of their team’s weaknesses. So far McBeane has shown they are not at all intimidated by making big decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The asking price on Luck. That's why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Andrew Luck is not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Would you trade away luck? No way Reich wants to go into his first season as head coach with an unknown qb Edited March 14, 2018 by Steptide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Andrew Luck is not available. and if he is....he may very well be damaged goods... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Let me join the chorus on this topic. If Luck's shoulder is ok, it would be insane for the Colts to trade him for an unproven QB who will be the 2nd or 3rd QB taken in the draft. If his shoulder isn't ok, why would you want him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 suck 4 luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I actually agree with much of this. From the Colts perspective, it’s actually an optimal time to do this. They can free the cap space, grab a new franchise QB on rookie pay scale, rid themselves of any shoulder concerns, and pick up a couple draft picks to fill more holes. From the Bills perspective, they keep more of their draft picks than if they were trading up to top 3 and can handle the cap hit. And get a proven commodity. I actually think the price to make this happen wouldn’t be too expensive and a huge win win for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: and if he is....he may very well be damaged goods... Yep. It seems one of these let's trade for Luck threads pops up every couple of days. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Andrew Luck is not available. Unless you are the Colts front office you do not know this. You are speculating. The Colts are rebuilding and if they love a qb coming out I could see this. I don't think it will happen but I would not be surprised. It could be why the Bills haven't made a move yet. It also could be why McDaniels didn't take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
******* Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Somethings going on at OBD. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s him coming here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, dubs said: I actually agree with much of this. From the Colts perspective, it’s actually an optimal time to do this. They can free the cap space, grab a new franchise QB on rookie pay scale, rid themselves of any shoulder concerns, and pick up a couple draft picks to fill more holes. From the Bills perspective, they keep more of their draft picks than if they were trading up to top 3 and can handle the cap hit. And get a proven commodity. I actually think the price to make this happen wouldn’t be too expensive and a huge win win for both teams. and then we have them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, offsides#76FredSmerlas said: Unless you are the Colts front office you do not know this. You are speculating. The Colts are rebuilding and if they love a qb coming out I could see this. I don't think it will happen but I would not be surprised. It could be why the Bills haven't made a move yet. It also could be why McDaniels didn't take the job. I'm using logic. The premise of this thread is speculation and so is your post. Edited March 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Peoples kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steptide said: Would you trade away luck? No way Reich wants to go into his first season as head coach with an unknown qb This. All day. Whether or not Luck can stay healthy and return to form is unknown, but no way Reich is not going to find out for himself. When healthy the dude carried that team on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Reich would probably be just as happy with Foles as Luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, nucci said: and then we have them Concerns, yes. But that’s not to say the shoulder wouldn’t be fine. Just a risk and different people assess the risk differently. Honestly, if I’m the colts and the Bills offer me 22 and a second for Luck. I say where do I sign. Edited March 14, 2018 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It's not speculation when you say he is NOT available. That sounds like you know more than you do. I just said it was a possibility. I am using logic and common sense and you are just acting like a know it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Reich would probably be just as happy with Foles as Luck. Whoa, I like that thinking all the more! 3 teams win, not a bad concept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tipster19 said: The more time that passes and the Bills don’t do anything to address the QB position the more it convinces me that they definitely have a plan in place. I mean who gets rid of their starting QB and not have one in place?? Before anyone suggests that whatever rookie that is suppose to be taken in the draft, none of them are projected to be NFL ready right out of the gate. Is Peterman suppose to start?? I think not. Are the remaining FA QBs the answer? I would think not because that would be like writing off the season even before the season starts. Trading for Foles wouldn’t be hateful, maybe that’s the plan but looking at where the Colts are at in the draft (#3 overall pick) and all the draft capital that we have why couldn’t we make a run at Luck? Between last year’s publicity (team propaganda) and having a lunatic owner in Irsay I would say that anything is possible. Already having the #3 pick overall and all the prime draft picks that we could provide, the Colts would sure be able to address a lot of their team’s weaknesses. So far McBeane has shown they are not at all intimidated by making big decisions. Josh Rosen is said to be NFL ready playing in Josh Mora's pro style offense at UCLA. I'm not seeing a better option at this point, we may very well select 2 rookies in this draft and may the best win out between them and Peterman because the pickings are slim out there for veteran QB's... Derek Anderson, Mike Glennon, Jay Cutler, AJ Mccarron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I would think by now we would all know that they do have a plan in place and we all need to just sit back and strap on a seatbelt because we're all going for a wild ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Andrew Luck is not available. Correction: Andrew Luck is not available unless the people who know most about him, the Colts, think he's through. If Andrew Luck is on the market, check all four legs of that horse very carefully. 6 minutes ago, dubs said: Concerns, yes. But that’s not to say the shoulder wouldn’t be fine. Just a risk and different people assess the risk differently. Honestly, if I’m the colts and the Bills offer me 22 and a second for Luck. I say where do I sign. I think that would be why Chris Ballard has a job as an NFL GM and you don't. Edited March 14, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Reich would probably be just as happy with Foles as Luck. I respectfully disagree. Luck, if healthy, is a far better QB than Foles has proven to be. Foles had one great season, lost his job and was a backup came in and struggled at the end of 2017 regular season and then got hot in the playoffs. I would say the odds are that going forward Foles will play more like the backup that he's been for most of his career instead of the guy who had a miracle season and a 3 game hot streak at a very opportune time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Another triumph. Tipster is the most exciting poster in the game today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: Another triumph. Tipster is the most exciting poster in the game today. Exciting? Or out in left field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) If Luck's shoulder healed well, the Colts would be stupid to trade him. If Luck's shoulder did not heal well, the Bills would be stupid to trade for him. In any event, the Colts would be foolish to trade Luck before the draft. You don't trade your franchise QB unless you already have the rights to his replacement. Edited March 14, 2018 by Koko78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correction: Andrew Luck is not available unless the people who know most about him, the Colts, think he's through. If Andrew Luck is on the market, check all four legs of that horse very carefully. I think that would be why Chris Ballard has a job as an NFL GM and you don't. Indeed. It would be a case of buyer beware. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Reich would probably be just as happy with Foles as Luck. In your dreams, not his. Reich is not stupid, and he knows something about evaluating QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, BillsVet said: Exciting? Or out in left field? I'm looking forward to his "Why not Hughes and 22 for Aaron Rodgers?" thread later today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Reich would probably be just as happy with Foles as Luck. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correction: Andrew Luck is not available unless the people who know most about him, the Colts, think he's through. If Andrew Luck is on the market, check all four legs of that horse very carefully. I think that would be why Chris Ballard has a job as an NFL GM and you don't. Anytime you can introduce some snark to a conversation, you gotta do it. But seriously though, I don’t think the price would be as high as people think. If the colts have any concerns at all about luck, this is about their only chance to reboot. Certainly worth considering from their end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: I respectfully disagree. Luck, if healthy, is a far better QB than Foles has proven to be. Foles had one great season, lost his job and was a backup came in and struggled at the end of 2017 regular season and then got hot in the playoffs. I would say the odds are that going forward Foles will play more like the backup that he's been for most of his career instead of the guy who had a miracle season and a 3 game hot streak at a very opportune time. Reich seems to be a guy who values familiarity. He just won a super bowl with Foles. Luck is the more talented QB, but if a new coach can get a draft bounty for Luck and bring in a QB he just won a Super Bowl with, I'd think Reich would move on from Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Koko78 said: If Luck's shoulder healed well, the Colts would be stupid to trade him. If Luck's shoulder did not heal well, the Bills would be stupid to trade for him. Yes, exactly. And even if Luck's shoulder is "maybe" and the Colts plan to take a QB at 3, Ballard and Reich would look nothing but stupid if they move on from Luck, Luck plays well somewhere else, and the rookie they draft does what 50% of top-5-pick rookies do and busts out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: I'm looking forward to his "Why not Hughes and 22 for Aaron Rodgers?" thread later today. 22 is way to high, 65 would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Exciting? Or out in left field? That wasn’t very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Reich basically talked about Luck as the greatest of all time. Lots of hyperbole. I can't see any move with Luck happening. Trade down does make sense for them, but they should really just take Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Steptide said: Would you trade away luck? No way Reich wants to go into his first season as head coach with an unknown qb He already is going into the season with an unknown QB...nobody knows if Luck will be healthy, let alone ever get his career back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It’s also not just about the shoulder. It’s about what QBs are in the draft, what you can get for Luck, and the cap space you can clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Something here is definitely weird. Trading away your starting QB makes no sense unless there is a plan in place for this replacement. I get it that we wanted to replace Taylor and that the plan may be to trade up for one of the top QBs in the draft, but I highly doubt the goal is to have the newly drafted QB immediately start. I also don't believe that the Bills think that Peterman is the answer as the short-term starter or long-term back-up. Some additional step is needed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, dubs said: I actually agree with much of this. From the Colts perspective, it’s actually an optimal time to do this. They can free the cap space, grab a new franchise QB on rookie pay scale, rid themselves of any shoulder concerns, and pick up a couple draft picks to fill more holes. From the Bills perspective, they keep more of their draft picks than if they were trading up to top 3 and can handle the cap hit. And get a proven commodity. I actually think the price to make this happen wouldn’t be too expensive and a huge win win for both teams. You seem to be an earnest poster who is not just trying to stir sh** so I'll give you a little more answer from the Colts perspective 1) the Colts would NOT free much cap space by trading Andrew Luck at this time. They would take on an accelerated cap hit of $19.2M dollars and save ony $5.2M, which, if you've looked at the QB FA market, is not quite enough to buy a bag of slightly used QB Cheetos. 2) Andrew Luck was (and if his shoulder heals, is) a true generational QB talent. He is one of the 4-5 QB in the league who can actually carry a team. If you want to actually understand how he is different from this year's crop of good QB prospects, read Andrew Luck's draft profile. Now read Sam Darnolds and Josh Rosen's profiles. See the differences? If there is any chance Luck can recover, you do not give that up on the 50/50 chance that whoever is left at #3 will become a good QB. From a reputational standpoint, the Colts GM has nothing to gain and plenty to lose by making this trade - the best thing that could happen is that Luck is never himself again for the new team, and the new guy is able to play capably in the NFL, in which case they'd look smart except to the team they fleece. The worst thing that could happen is that Luck recovers and plays well, the draftee flames out like roughly half of the top 5 picks do, and they look like fools. You know, worse than how San Diego did when Brees turned all-world in N'Orleans, even WITH Rivers becoming a very talented QB? Replace Rivers with Trent Edwards and that's how it could go. 11 minutes ago, dubs said: It’s also not just about the shoulder. It’s about what QBs are in the draft, what you can get for Luck, and the cap space you can clear. See my other post to you. Edited March 14, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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