Josh Rosen's intermediate & vertical game

[Reed83HOF]

It's a good 9 minute watch...Enjoy

 

 

My greatest source of joy with Rosen is his intermediate and vertical accuracy. It’s a beautiful and consistent process.

 

To add some perspective to Rosen’s prowess, there are a lot of NFL quarterbacks who lack Rosen’s consistent range and accuracy in the vertical game. When you hear about quarterbacks who can throw the ball 60-70 yards, it’s best to consider the range of distance they can consistently deliver pinpoint throws.

 

The most common range for NFL quarterbacks is 40-50 yards.

 

Rosen’s is a tier above.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/01/30/matt-waldmans-rsp-boiler-room-qb-josh-rosens-ucla-vertical-game/

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Lotta good stuff on him in this. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Good stuff. I'm a Rosen lover because to me he is clearly the best quarterback prospect. He is one of the best I have seen in a few years. I don't understand why it is even a debate. The concussions I get, but I think it is obvious he is better than the other guys. I am hoping a praying that he is the guy we get. 

[LikeIGiveADarn]

I really want to watch this, but I don't want my heart broken if we don't get him.

[Bag of Milk]

19 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's a good 9 minute watch...Enjoy

 

 

My greatest source of joy with Rosen is his intermediate and vertical accuracy. It’s a beautiful and consistent process.

 

To add some perspective to Rosen’s prowess, there are a lot of NFL quarterbacks who lack Rosen’s consistent range and accuracy in the vertical game. When you hear about quarterbacks who can throw the ball 60-70 yards, it’s best to consider the range of distance they can consistently deliver pinpoint throws.

 

The most common range for NFL quarterbacks is 40-50 yards.

 

Rosen’s is a tier above.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/01/30/matt-waldmans-rsp-boiler-room-qb-josh-rosens-ucla-vertical-game/

 

I have watched this, Waldman is always worth listening too.

Thee are so many talking heads spinning nonsense about the draft and particularly the QB's.

I find it worthwhile to cut through the nonsense  and seek out the opinions of those who are actually experienced at doing  film study of QB's.

It seems like those that actually study film- prefer Josh Rosen overwhelmingly.

This includes Waldman, Josh Norris and the God father of film study himself Greg Cosell.

Edited March 14, 2018 by Bag of Milk

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Couldn’t agree more with your assessment.  Rosen is by far the most polished QB prospect in this class.  His footwork and mechanics are as close to perfect as we have seen in a while, and he’s got a very solid arm. Would love Rosen.

[Mango]

14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good stuff. I'm a Rosen lover because to me he is clearly the best quarterback prospect. He is one of the best I have seen in a few years. I don't understand why it is even a debate. The concussions I get, but I think it is obvious he is better than the other guys. I am hoping a praying that he is the guy we get. 

 

 

For me it is the commitment to the game. Not putting in the work every week with tape, the weight room, working with receivers, and the playbook. But wether he wants to be in the league still in 6 years. I feel like the guy could retire in. Relatively short order and at the peak of his career. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mango said:

For me it is the commitment to the game. Not putting in the work every week with tape, the weight room, working with receivers, and the playbook. But wether he wants to be in the league still in 6 years. I feel like the guy could retire in. Relatively short order and at the peak of his career. 

 

He's from a very wealthy family.  He doesn't have to play at all.  Too much nitpicking. 

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's from a very wealthy family.  He doesn't have to play at all.  Too much nitpicking. 

 

Agreed!

 

This is where I am at. Why would he play football and put his life at risk when he could be doing anything else? He clearly loves the game and has a passion for it, otherwise he wouldn't do it. 

 

Some guys play for the paycheck, their only chance to make it out. He plays because he loves it. 

[KDIGGZ]

12 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

For me it is the commitment to the game. Not putting in the work every week with tape, the weight room, working with receivers, and the playbook. But wether he wants to be in the league still in 6 years. I feel like the guy could retire in. Relatively short order and at the peak of his career. 

He wants to be the best so he can spin that into a successful post football business career. He won't accomplish his goals if he quits. Nobody is going into business with a wishy washy quitter. His reputation means more to him than that.

[starrymessenger]

39 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

For me it is the commitment to the game. Not putting in the work every week with tape, the weight room, working with receivers, and the playbook. But wether he wants to be in the league still in 6 years. I feel like the guy could retire in. Relatively short order and at the peak of his career. 

 

I actually tend to think that he's a very driven individual. Mayfield's competitive instincts are more visible/demonstrative but I suspect that Rosen too is a determined, result oriented, hard bitten guy. They are just different personalities. I very much doubt that we will see a lazy, uncommitted player. Somebody else started a stupid thread about his being a jew, but I do think that this personal identification is possibly a powerful motivational driver. I think he wants to be the first jewish QB to win a superbowl, to be the Sandy Koufax of football and successor to Sid Luckman.. Hope we can reel him in.

Edited March 14, 2018 by starrymessenger

[mykidsdad]

Wow. Those are some amazing throws. Rosen seems to be legit. He could be a real trajectory changer for us. Fingers crossed. To have a real franchise QB, seems to be good to be true. 

[Kelly the Dog]

He's a competitor. He's fearless in the pocket. Bill Laimbeer of the Detroit Pistons came from a wealthy family and was one of the most hard working blue collar tough guy players in the history of the game. There is nothing to believe that he doesn't have the fire in his belly.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good stuff. I'm a Rosen lover because to me he is clearly the best quarterback prospect. He is one of the best I have seen in a few years. I don't understand why it is even a debate. The concussions I get, but I think it is obvious he is better than the other guys. I am hoping a praying that he is the guy we get. 

It’s really not much of a debate. Rosen has been the leader in the clubhouse since the college season started. Not much has changed. It’s all a matter of degrees, anyway. But what separates him is very important at the next level: ball placement. I like Darnold and Mayfield, too, but they aren’t as polished yet. 

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He's a competitor. He's fearless in the pocket. Bill Laimbeer of the Detroit Pistons came from a wealthy family and was one of the most hard working blue collar tough guy players in the history of the game. There is nothing to believe that he doesn't have the fire in his belly.

There might be an even bigger fire in his belly because of his family's wealth...

[machine gun kelly]

Rosen’s my pick if we can get him.  I expect Beane to give the Giants 12 and 22 for him. Spec is stil the Browns go for the stud RB first and QB 4th.  We’ll find out on draft day.

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's a good 9 minute watch...Enjoy

 

 

My greatest source of joy with Rosen is his intermediate and vertical accuracy. It’s a beautiful and consistent process.

 

To add some perspective to Rosen’s prowess, there are a lot of NFL quarterbacks who lack Rosen’s consistent range and accuracy in the vertical game. When you hear about quarterbacks who can throw the ball 60-70 yards, it’s best to consider the range of distance they can consistently deliver pinpoint throws.

 

The most common range for NFL quarterbacks is 40-50 yards.

 

Rosen’s is a tier above.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/01/30/matt-waldmans-rsp-boiler-room-qb-josh-rosens-ucla-vertical-game/

 

 

 

Wow, that was eye-opening. I thought he was weak at long throws. But Waldman is a consistently excellent analyst and that was a good video.

 

Thanks, OP.

[yungmack]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's from a very wealthy family.  He doesn't have to play at all.  Too much nitpicking. 

He's from a well off family. His father's a doctor. Bill Gates's kids are from a wealthy family.

[Ol Dirty B]

3 hours ago, kdiggz said:

He wants to be the best so he can spin that into a successful post football business career. He won't accomplish his goals if he quits. Nobody is going into business with a wishy washy quitter. His reputation means more to him than that.

 

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

[KDIGGZ]

4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Nobody asked you. His hero is Troy Aikman. Would Troy Aikman be who he is if he played on some bad Cowboys teams and then quit before they won anything?

[FeelingOnYouboty]

He has two legit concerns. Durability and his mobility in the pocket can be better. Other than that he's a generational talent.

[wppete]

Great stuff. I want Josh Rosen. 

[peterpan]

Its painfully obvious that he is the best there is.  I hate to say it but he reminds me of Brady with  maybe 1/4 of the bitchyness.

 

I cannot imagine him not going #1 overall. Well the Browns are dumb so I cant see him getting past #2.  The Giants aren't dumb enough to pass on this kid.  We have to trade up to #1 for this guy. 

[Bring it]

After watching the moves that have been made in the last week; I get the feeling that Rosen is indeed Mcbeane’s target. Trading Tyrod to Cleveland may have been a stroke of genius. If it keeps the Browns from drafting Rosen #1 and we can trade up with the Giants!!  The draft can’t get here soon enough!!

 

[Bring it]

22 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Its painfully obvious that he is the best there is.  I hate to say it but he reminds me of Brady with  maybe 1/4 of the bitchyness.

 

I cannot imagine him not going #1 overall. Well the Browns are dumb so I cant see him getting past #2.  The Giants aren't dumb enough to pass on this kid.  We have to trade up to #1 for this guy. 

Imo the Browns know Rosen is good too. Even after passing on the studs in past years, but I think they want Barkley...BAD! That puts them in a fix because if they take a Qb at #1 , Barkley won’t be there at #4. I’m not sold that the Giants wouldn’t take Rosen either. 

He does come across as a “pretty boy” , but he is confident and competitive. It burns him to lose, is the best way to say it!

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Rosen’s my pick if we can get him.  I expect Beane to give the Giants 12 and 22 for him. Spec is stil the Browns go for the stud RB first and QB 4th.  We’ll find out on draft day.

I expect Beane to give the giants whatever it takes.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 hours ago, kdiggz said:

Nobody asked you. His hero is Troy Aikman. Would Troy Aikman be who he is if he played on some bad Cowboys teams and then quit before they won anything?

 

That's the beauty of a message board. No one has to ask me when I see something stupid being written.

 

So you think he's going to play so he can get a good announcing gig after playing? Plenty of guys wash out, no one, especially now, is not going to go into business with Rosen if he fails or opts to retire early.

 

All he would have to say is I've had concussion issues and I don't want to risk my brain. And he'd be largely applauded by society, just not the Neanderthals like you who occupy football message boards.

 

I was holding back, what you said wasn't only ridiculous. It was absolutely stupid and out of touch with reality.

 

Steve beuerlein announces games. What the hell are you talking about?

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

That's the beauty of a message board. No one has to ask me when I see something stupid being written.

 

So you think he's going to play so he can get a good announcing gig after playing? Plenty of guys wash out, no one, especially now, is not going to go into business with Rosen if he fails or opts to retire early.

 

All he would have to say is I've had concussion issues and I don't want to risk my brain. And he'd be largely applauded by society, just not the Neanderthals like you who occupy football message boards.

 

I was holding back, what you said wasn't only ridiculous. It was absolutely stupid and out of touch with reality.

 

Steve beuerlein announces games. What the hell are you talking about?

He doesn't want to be an announcer. You arent worth responding too. If you think the greats of the game don't have more clout than someone like Jake Locker who flamed out then you are a lost cause. Go play in a sandbox somewhere and leave the real discussions to the big boys

Edited March 14, 2018 by kdiggz

[Ol Dirty B]

7 hours ago, kdiggz said:

He doesn't want to be an announcer. You arent worth responding too. If you think the greats of the game don't have more clout than someone like Jake Locker who flamed out then you are a lost cause. Go play in a sandbox somewhere and leave the real discussions to the big boys

 

Do you have any examples of what you're talking about? I'm pretty sure you don't. You're an idiot. You haven't supported a point you made yet.

[KDIGGZ]

12 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Do you have any examples of what you're talking about? I'm pretty sure you don't. You're an idiot. You haven't supported a point you made yet.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame

 

His

 own set of challenges? He wants to lead UCLA to a conference title and eventually become a Super Bowl–winning, All-Pro quarterback who can make enough money off the field to play for the league minimum so his team can spend its salary cap space on his teammates. After football, he wants to work in venture capital and model his post-football life after the business success of former Bruins quarterback Troy Aikman, who has owned multiple businesses and dabbles in real estate.

Do some research before you respond to people. You come off like a sad lonely person that needs to get attention putting people down on the internet. This message board doesn't need anymore ignorant people so take a hike if you don't have anything constructive to add

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, kdiggz said:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame

 

 

 

Do some research before you respond to people. You come off like a sad lonely person that needs to get attention putting people down on the internet. This message board doesn't need anymore ignorant people so take a hike if you don't have anything constructive to add

 

None of that article supported anything you said.

 

But it appears you're move is to just say no one has anything to add when your original point was something someone could say the same about.

[Jay_Fixit]

21 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

Wow. Those are some amazing throws. Rosen seems to be legit. He could be a real trajectory changer for us. Fingers crossed. To have a real franchise QB, seems to be good to be true. 

Is it? Can it? Are it?

 

ohhhh mykidsdad

Edited March 15, 2018 by Jay_Fixit

[machine gun kelly]

Looking Lookie

 

Thanks for you’re reply.

[MJS]

On 3/13/2018 at 8:44 PM, Mango said:

 

 

For me it is the commitment to the game. Not putting in the work every week with tape, the weight room, working with receivers, and the playbook. But wether he wants to be in the league still in 6 years. I feel like the guy could retire in. Relatively short order and at the peak of his career. 

 

This is just a big guess and not based on anything substantial at all.

[Domdab99]

I'm going to enjoy watching him on whatever team drafts him, but it won't be the Bills. 

 

We aren't moving up to #2, Guys. The Giants aren't trading out. Or, if they do, it won't be for less than 12, 22,  next year's 1st, and one of this year's 2nds. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

Get over it. Lamar Jackson at #12 is in the cards. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by Domdab99

[fridge]

That was the most impressively lazy video editing I've seen in a long time. I genuinely laughed out loud when I realized he was going to be using his mouse cursor to show us where to look.