offyourocker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Philly has to do something for their cap right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Make that mccarron and Foles. Mccown going back to Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Nope. If the Bills are trading into the top 5, say pick 3. Forget Foles, McCarron. The latter is still young enough to play for 10 years. The former has too much demand from the Eagles surrounding him. So why waste the cap space on them? Just get a vet that can serve as a mentor and understand that he's not going to be starting long, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Teams with open QB positions are drying up. I would offer 1 yr deals to both McCarron or McCown telling them they would have a chance to win the starting job in training camp. McCarron gets a shot to set himself up for a big pay day if he plays well either from the Bills or another team. This allows us to not rush a rookie QB out on the field too soon. Who cares about rushing the rookie on the field at this point? Unless it's Jackson or Allen, let Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen start day 1 and take their lumps. It's what QBs do nowadays. KC last year was an anomaly. High 1st round rookie QBs don't need this time on the bench anymore and we can use the money we save from not spending a lot of money on McCown or McCarron on other positions like OL to strengthen the team and surround our young QB with more talent to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Edited March 13, 2018 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Mccarron over Moore please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Now just Foles / McCarron! Read rumors that Miami was interested in MCCarron. Will try to find the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaquin1119 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Only get Foles for the right price. Beside that I be happy with AJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Now it seems it is McCarron, Foles or Peterson. Or whoever we draft. I'd rather start Peterson or the rookie than bring in any of the third-tier guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 since the Jets resigned McCown it looks like Bridgewater is back on the market. Perhaps he's in play for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'd be fine with McCarron as a bridge guy. Something like 3 years, $19M? why do we want Bridgewater? He hasn't played in two years. He's a bigger risk than Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: Very happy the Bills didn't reach for Keenum/Bridgewater/Bradford/Cousins... if we're trading up to get a QB stud, all we need is a bridge like McCarron or McCown or even Moore. I like what they're doing. Remember, if any of these so-called great FAs out there were actually great, they wouldn't be available! It’s not so much that they’re great, it’s that they are the bridge QBs best able to keep you competitive while your star rookie bakes until ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: It’s not so much that they’re great, it’s that they are the bridge QBs best able to keep you competitive while your star rookie bakes until ready. Yeah, but I don't think we should be paying $16M a year for a bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Why is everyone so obsessed over a bridge QB who may never even play a snap as a starter for the Bills? I mean who cares...might as well just let Nate Pickerman go out there until the rookie is ready, assuming the rookie didn't just win the job outright in preseason. The bridge guy is completely meaningless...all that matters is our rookie. Anyone in tier 3 is fine...in fact, the cheaper the better. Why tie up cap space with a pricey backup...just get some guy in here to battle our rookie and NP to start week 1. Odds are the rookie will win the job anyway, and if not just start JAG QB or NP a short period until the rook takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The thing with Foles - I think his trade value is diminished. Maybe that "more than a 1st & a 4th" stance has softened up. Maybe you go with McCarron & a rookie + Peterman if Foles is still requiring too much draft capital. The trouble with the draft right now is you still have to package a lot to get one of those big names I think... I suspect the Bills will be waiting to pull the trigger on a trade up. I bet they have 1a and 1b on their board - if one of them go, they start really making a push - but it'll be a dog fight I think, albeit one where we have the most draft capital in 2018 to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Yeah, but I don't think we should be paying $16M a year for a bridge. I understand that feeling, but it's what the market will bear at the present time. With the rookie wage scale and what star QB draft picks command, it's still commensurate with what a mediocre starting and decent backup make, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 McCown got $10M. That's more like it. If we pay a career backup like McCarron more than that, that's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I am trying to figure out why we wouldnt want McNown..... - Its short term - he is not gonna get this crazy money - he played well till his injury last year How about, he's not very good and we're trying to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Bills played this perfectly They are the only remaining suitors that can offer a chance to start for a veteran QB. They have all of the leverage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why is everyone so obsessed over a bridge QB who may never even play a snap as a starter for the Bills? I mean who cares...might as well just let Nate Pickerman go out there until the rookie is ready, assuming the rookie didn't just win the job outright in preseason. The bridge guy is completely meaningless...all that matters is our rookie. Anyone in tier 3 is fine...in fact, the cheaper the better. Why tie up cap space with a pricey backup...just get some guy in here to battle our rookie and NP to start week 1. Odds are the rookie will win the job anyway, and if not just start JAG QB or NP a short period until the rook takes over. I kind of agree. I'm fine with Peterman going in as the starter next year. 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: How about, he's not very good and we're trying to win. No we're not. Beane and Mac have made it clear that they are building a long-term team. Next year will most likely not be a playoff year. I mean, if everything breaks right for the Bills, and their rookie QB is good right away - and we get a No. 1 WR - and we get a play-making ILB - whew - then MAYBE we can make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Bills played this perfectly They are the only remaining suitors that can offer a chance to start for a veteran QB. They have all of the leverage Yea they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, MTBill said: The thing with Foles - I think his trade value is diminished. Maybe that "more than a 1st & a 4th" stance has softened up. With the shortage of quality QB play in the NFL, even if you have a sore knee "franchise QB" in Wentz on IR, why would any team dump a Super Bowl MVP QB for peanuts? They can certainly trim the salary cap elsewhere. "The most important position on the team is QB. The second most important is backup QB." -- HOF Joe Gibbs Just now, Domdab99 said: I kind of agree. I'm fine with Peterman going in as the starter next year. No we're not. Beane and Mac have made it clear that they are building a long-term team. Next year will most likely not be a playoff year. I mean, if everything breaks right for the Bills, and their rookie QB is good right away - and we get a No. 1 WR - and we get a play-making ILB - whew - then MAYBE we can make the playoffs. Everything I hear Coach McDermott say it's we're rebuilding AND trying to win at the same time. Worked last year. I expect more of the same this year. I think this dream of trotting out some schmuck next year with no expectations of winning is a pipe dream. Coach McDermott don't play that way ore at least hasn't so far. The past is the greatest predictor of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 McCown would be my choice, great mentor for our rookie, can start if we feel it's beneficial for our QB to sit and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: With the shortage of quality QB play in the NFL, even if you have a sore knee "franchise QB" in Wentz on IR, why would any team dump a Super Bowl MVP QB for peanuts? They can certainly trim the salary cap elsewhere. "The most important position on the team is QB. The second most important is backup QB." -- HOF Joe Gibbs ....Roseman is back in charge after the GM Chip debacle and knows his stuff....Peters carries a pretty hefty tariff coming off an ACL...I'd start there Howie.... 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: McCown would be my choice, great mentor for our rookie, can start if we feel it's beneficial for our QB to sit and learn. ...Jesters signed him for $10 mil........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 It would seem to me that the Bills were not a serious player in the FA QB market. Putting all their eggs in one basket. The QB they covet in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 My Ideal choice would be one of the top quarterbacks drafted with Anderson or Daniel as insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: With Brees, Garoppolo, Cousins, Bradford, Keenum, Bridgewater gone, it all comes down to these options: (there are other QBs but I dont think they are going to happen) Tier 1: (not a FA) Nick Foles Tier 2: (All FA) Aj McCarron Josh McCown Tier 3: (All FA) Derek Anderson Tom Savage Chase Daniel Matt Moore Colin Kaepernick Geno Smith Chad Henne Wonder who the Bills sign / get. what about Fitz? do you think he would come back to Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: With the shortage of quality QB play in the NFL, even if you have a sore knee "franchise QB" in Wentz on IR, why would any team dump a Super Bowl MVP QB for peanuts? They can certainly trim the salary cap elsewhere. "The most important position on the team is QB. The second most important is backup QB." -- HOF Joe Gibbs Everything I hear Coach McDermott say it's we're rebuilding AND trying to win at the same time. Worked last year. I expect more of the same this year. I think this dream of trotting out some schmuck next year with no expectations of winning is a pipe dream. Coach McDermott don't play that way ore at least hasn't so far. The past is the greatest predictor of the future. Of course they're going to TRY to win. They're not tanking. But last year was a miracle. The Bills were not really a playoff team. So many things had to break there way for it to happen the way it did. They were not very good. Nothing wrong with building long-term and trying to win, too...just don't expect the same miracles next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nitro said: It would seem to me that the Bills were not a serious player in the FA QB market. Putting all their eggs in one basket. The QB they covet in the draft. am still holding out hope for a Foles trade. trade makes too much sense for philly to pass on getting a high draft pick and relieve cap concerns Just now, Foxx said: what about Fitz? do you think he would come back to Buffalo? Fitz signed with Tampa Bay 5 days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Just now, Domdab99 said: The Bills were not really a playoff team. does a team have to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AND pass the domdab99 test to realy be a playoff team? Why is there always a yeah butt with yall? We made the playoffs. It''s what playoff teams do. Deal with it. Hopefully we will again in 2018. Edited March 13, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: does a team have to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ...what exactly are you asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Domdab99 said: ...what exactly are you asking? Sorry, I hit return and it posted this. then I edited, but you beat me to it! You're fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: With Brees, Garoppolo, Cousins, Bradford, Keenum, Bridgewater gone, it all comes down to these options: (there are other QBs but I dont think they are going to happen) Tier 1: (not a FA) Nick Foles Tier 2: (All FA) Aj McCarron Josh McCown Tier 3: (All FA) Derek Anderson Tom Savage Chase Daniel Matt Moore Colin Kaepernick Geno Smith Chad Henne Wonder who the Bills sign / get. I think you got your tier 3 and tier 2 mixed a bit. At least, I don't see why AJ McCarron is considered a better prospect than Chase Daniel. And while he may be persona non grata, Kaepernick has certainly shown more as a QB than the likes of Geno Smith and Tom Savage. McCown is off the table. If Beane is true to his earlier word and wants a vet, interesting to see who he's going to try to tap. Badlands Meanie and his Derek Anderson suggestion may not be the fool some thought, if the plan is truly to go for a rookie that can start right away. Edited March 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 707BillsFan said: There should not be any more bidders for Foles (if there even was any to begin with). Eagles are in a bit of cap hell. They need to dump salary. If their demands are too high, they keep Foles and have to cut other areas where they may not want. They'd probably have to come down in their demands to relieve some pressure...if Foles, is in fact, in play. I agree we can get him for less than 8 Million for this year. EGles need to move him in the next 22 hours as they need their house in order by 4PM tomorrow. A second this year and a 4th next year should do the trick. We would then have a solid QB for this season. If this happened I would take the best player available at 12 & 22 in the draft. I would take the QB from Western Kentucky with pick 65 if we don’t draft one earlier. With 12 we would be able to get Vea, Smith, Ward, or possibly Allen , Mayfield or Jackson. If Foles plays well next year we can extend him if we wish. I obviously feel Foles is a solid Top 10 QB. He has displayed that at times as recently as last year. I know I am in the vast minority here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: does a team have to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AND pass the domdab99 test to realy be a playoff team? Why is there always a yeah butt with yall? We made the playoffs. It''s what playoff teams do. Deal with it. Hopefully we will again in 2018. Hope and $4.99 will get you a grande iced caramel mochacino. Edited March 13, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, skibum said: Foles will be too expensive, so it's really down to your tier 2 and 3. Anyone wishing the FO had held off on trading Tyrod for a few more days? so...maybe foles and mayfield gives us a kinda brady/jimmy g situation. i'll take it. good investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Just now, Domdab99 said: Hope and $4.99 will get you a grande iced caramel mochacino. Doesn't answer my question, but thanks for the tip, Edited March 13, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I agree we can get him for less than 8 Million for this year. EGles need to move him in the next 22 hours as they need their house in order by 4PM tomorrow. A second this year and a 4th next year should do the trick. We would then have a solid QB for this season. If this happened I would take the best player available at 12 & 22 in the draft. I would take the QB from Western Kentucky with pick 65 if we don’t draft one earlier. With 12 we would be able to get Vea, Smith, Ward, or possibly Allen , Mayfield or Jackson. If Foles plays well next year we can extend him if we wish. I obviously feel Foles is a solid Top 10 QB. He has displayed that at times as recently as last year. I know I am in the vast minority here. if we got foles, i would sure be all in on the rest of your plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I think using a high draft/ big money to guys who have never had success outside of Philly and Alabama seems like a great idea. draft a guy and sign a cheap vet. 4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: so...maybe foles and mayfield gives us a kinda brady/jimmy g situation. i'll take it. good investment Minus the whole greatest qb ever part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: oh you were serious? You want me to answer "does a team have to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AND pass the domdab99 test to realy be a playoff team?" I just figured you were playing semantics. Yes, they made the playoffs. So, technically, the Bills are "a playoff team." I know that. So does everyone else. However, we also all know that the Bills team last year was mediocre at best, and we only made the playoffs because the Colts coach made worse decisions than Mac did, and because Andy Dalton decided to pretend to be an elite QB for one play. So, while I'd love for them to make the playoffs again, I'd much rather them build a strong foundation for a team that becomes a perennial Super Bowl contender, like the Pats, Steelers, Packers, Seahawks, etc. Does that answer your question? Edited March 13, 2018 by Domdab99 lol I quoted the wrong person! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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