FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I think he's a better fit for a pro-style offense. Played out of shotgun, pistol, 3 step drop, 7 step drop, and can run if needed. I think a good OC can use him in any offense, where as an OC would need to build their offense around Mayfield. Did you watch Mayfield playing from under center in the senior bowl? He was a mess. JMO, man. You are putting too much stock in the Senior Bowl and not enough in actual games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I would be fine with Allen at 12, but if we move into the top 4 and he's the reason I'm going to be very nervous. Allen would be a 2 year project with the best QB coach. I could live with that at 12 if it is not possible to trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: You are putting too much stock in the Senior Bowl and not enough in actual games Well, the senior bowl was the only game in which Allen was playing with legitimate Division 1 athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, bigduke6 said: this is how everybody should settle differences on this board, no name calling, condescending words, just this. well done. Thanks.....it is actually pretty easy to be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Doubt Barkley drops past 2 and Rosen drops out of the top 5...... Cleveland is in a good position, if they are smart take Barkley first and then QB 4th. They walk out of the draft with possibly the drafts best player in Barkley and one of the top QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, apuszczalowski said: Doubt Barkley drops past 2 and Rosen drops out of the top 5...... Cleveland is in a good position, if they are smart take Barkley first and then QB 4th. They walk out of the draft with possibly the drafts best player in Barkley and one of the top QBs. It wouldn't shock me at all with many good RBs available in the draft and Rosen's personality causing him to slip a bit. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: You are putting too much stock in the Senior Bowl and not enough in actual games No I’m not. I’m merely comparing a small sample size of the two QB’s when asked to play in a pro style offense and take snaps under center. Allen did well. Mayfield did not do so well. Mayfield is likely, similar to Watson in Houston, going to need an offense designed around his capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It wouldn't shock me at all with many good RBs available in the draft and Rosen's personality causing him to slip a bit. We'll see. Sure there are good RBs available, but Barkley is being talked about as being one of the best to come out in a long time. Having a stud RB would really help the Browns offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This can't be true McBeane aren't this dumb. Plus NFL network saying Denver not going after a QB with Keenum on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Noooooooooooo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 If we made all of these moves for Allen I'll be so upset. But like everything else, I'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: So, over/under for how many more years McBeane have left if the draft Allen? As high as I was about all the other moves, this report has taken that away...hope it’s not true, but if they go take Allen they will be the laughingstock of the NFL. Why would this report from a moron take anything away? There have been very few, if any leaks from this FO. How did this doofus supposedly get his scoop? He didn't. He is throwing darts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: This can't be true McBeane aren't this dumb. Plus NFL network saying Denver not going after a QB with Keenum on board. I find that hard to believe, Keenum didn't get a big deal, and isn't really someone you hedge your bets on. Cousins was the only QB that would preclude a team from taking a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Trading up for Allen would be a huge step back after all the moves Beane has made. We dont even have a QB coach. Really hope its a smoke screen or an elaborate ruse. Rosen Mayfield and Darnold are the only QBs i would trade into the top 5 for. If we stay at 12 we could roll with Roquon Smith at LB and take Rudolph or Jackson at 22. Would prefer that vs any scenario of us with Allen at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: If we made all of these moves for Allen I'll be so upset. But like everything else, I'll wait and see. THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) I'm not a big game film guy, but why are soooo many against Allen? Why do soooo many real NFL draft guys like him? Am I wrong in saying that Brett Favre had a big arm in college, but was risky because he was not accurate and was a gun slinger? I'm going to trust the professionals and if they choose Josh Allen, I'm going to trust they know what they are doing. They have seen HOURS and HOURS of film on these guys and have spent HOURS interviewing the player, coaches, family, friends, teachers, etc. They have TONS of scouts giving their opinions on these guys, and if they choose Josh Allen, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Edited March 13, 2018 by PIZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This might have some truth to it unfortunately... Everything that Beane has said he looks for physically in a QB, it's exactly Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 There has been rumors linking the Bills to just about every QB but Mayfield so it has to be Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, PIZ said: I'm not a big game film guy, but why are soooo many against Allen? Why do soooo many real NFL draft guys like him? Am I wrong in saying that Brett Favre had a big arm in college, but was risky because he was not accurate and was a gun slinger? If you watched him you would have seen how truly bad he was, his highlights are amazing but the rest of his play is horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: I'm not a big game film guy, but why are soooo many against Allen? Why do soooo many real NFL draft guys like him? Am I wrong in saying that Brett Favre had a big arm in college, but was risky because he was not accurate and was a gun slinger? I'm going to trust the professionals and if they choose Josh Allen, I'm going to trust they know what they are doing. They have seen HOURS and HOURS of film on these guys and have spent HOURS interviewing the player, coaches, family, friends, teachers, etc. They have TONS of scouts giving their opinions on these guys, and if they choose Josh Allen, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. That’s not how this board operates. Most folks were ready to run McBean out of town on a rail before the Bills had even played a single game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: No I’m not. I’m merely comparing a small sample size of the two QB’s when asked to play in a pro style offense and take snaps under center. Allen did well. Mayfield did not do so well. Mayfield is likely, similar to Watson in Houston, going to need an offense designed around his capabilities. You're comparing a week of practices and an exhibition game to 4 years of excellent game tape. It'll be a transition for Mayfield to adjust to playing under center but I don't see it as a huge issue. Meanwhile Josh Allen routinely misses routine passes in the flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Why would this report from a moron take anything away? There have been very few, if any leaks from this FO. How did this doofus supposedly get his scoop? He didn't. He is throwing darts. The guys on WGR were saying he’s been right on some things but I hope you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I would be fine with Allen at 12, but if we move into the top 4 and he's the reason I'm going to be very nervous. This made me laugh. He'll be the same player in training camp whether he's selected 2nd or 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I find that hard to believe, Keenum didn't get a big deal, and isn't really someone you hedge your bets on. Cousins was the only QB that would preclude a team from taking a QB. Keenum played better than Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It wouldn't shock me at all with many good RBs available in the draft and Rosen's personality causing him to slip a bit. We'll see. Agree. You never know. This QBitis can cause strange things to happen, especially for teams seeking a vet in free agency and striking out. May push QB's up and Barkley down a couple of slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, PIZ said: I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding). Hey, they make mistakes too. Your own example shows it. Some NFL evaluators had high grades on Leaf and they were wrong. It happens. I hope it does not happen to us AGAIN (Losman, EJ). We just can't afford that. That's why, no to Allen, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: Hey, they make mistakes too. Your own example shows it. Some NFL evaluators had high grades on Leaf and they were wrong. It happens. I hope it does not happen to us AGAIN (Losman, EJ). We just can't afford that. That's why, no to Allen, please. If nothing else, you just CAN’T draft a guy under 60% completions...that’s a MAJOR red flag in the NFL...even us amateurs know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, PIZ said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods. No doubt he would be number one overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, zonabb said: If they fall for Allen, Beane is no better than anyone they've had at GM. He is Losman and Manuel... physical tools with major, uncorrectable deficiencies. Not to hijack the thread. But Losman was an idiot frat boy. Bad combination for a rookie QB. EJ was smart, worked hard, had all the tools, just couldn't put it together. 5 minutes ago, PIZ said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods. If I had 2 more inches I would be much less single....or maybe more single..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Keenum played better than Cousins. For a single season on a stacked team?? Moreover, describe better? Less yards, less TDs, less talent, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: This made me laugh. He'll be the same player in training camp whether he's selected 2nd or 12th. There's going to be a lot more talent around him if he's selected 12th vs 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: You're comparing a week of practices and an exhibition game to 4 years of excellent game tape. It'll be a transition for Mayfield to adjust to playing under center but I don't see it as a huge issue. Meanwhile Josh Allen routinely misses routine passes in the flat. You’re putting words into my mouth. I never said that Mayfield couldn’t adapt to a more pro-style offense, and I never said that the senior bowl is the end all, be all of NFL talent evaluation. I merely offered the opinion, based on what I saw from both QB’s working from under center at the Senior Bowl, that Josh Allen is more prepared to run a pro-style offense. I don’t think that many posters here would disagree with that assessment. Right now, IMO, I think Rosen, Darnold, and Allen (in that order) are the most prepared to take over a NFL pro-style offense. Don’t let your man-crush for Mayfield and his sassy facial hair cloud your judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: No thanks to Allen. Accuracy issues. Forget the "Strong arm" JP Losman had a "Strong arm" You need a lot more than arm strength EJ Manuel and JaMarcus Russell have strong arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: For a single season on a stacked team?? Moreover, describe better? Less yards, less TDs, less talent, etc... More wins , more playoffs, actually makes clutch plays under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: More wins , more playoffs, actually makes clutch plays under pressure. So Keenum put that team on his shoulders and won all those games by him self, interesting take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, May Day 10 said: need to get Bradford then, IMO. We need to get Bradford because we feel Allen needs zero time to develop and can start immediately, so don't worry about Bradford's availability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I merely offered the opinion, based on what I saw from both QB’s working from under center at the Senior Bowl, that Josh Allen is more prepared to run a pro-style offense. I don’t think that many posters here would disagree with that assessment. I think this is incorrect. I think most posters view Allen as the most raw top QB prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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