Augie Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The OP forgot to include this part from the NFL.com draft profile: STRENGTHS Tennis prodigy with impeccable footwork and delivery balance. Plays with excellent coordination between eyes and feet. Gets head around quickly on play-fakes. Has experience under center. Anchors in pocket and doesn't creep around needlessly. Trusts his protection and doesn't take eyes of targets when pressure mounts from the edge. Climbs pocket when appropriate. Willing to stand and deliver in face of pressure. Completed 63 percent of his passes when blitzed in 2017. Accuracy totals negatively impacted by 31 receiver drops this year. Holds his water in pocket. Mechanics are terrific. Rarely over-strides and throws with consistently bent front knee. Throwing motion and follow-through are effortless. Extremely confident and intelligent. Throws receivers open. Might be best back shoulder thrower in the game. Shows ability to speed up operation time for move to next level. Very good usage of shoulder fakes and hitches to move defenders or buy additional time for receivers to uncover. Touch passer who can throw feathers when needed. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-rosen?id=2560059 Yeah, but other than that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Augie said: Yeah, but other than that...... I'm sure it was just an inadvertent oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I wonder what the write up on Tom Brady was .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Yes. Allen is big, mobile, and has a rocket arm. Oh and much more durable than Rosen. But he does not appear to be a natural thrower of the football. That’s kinda important. You can say those same positive things about EJ. How did that turn out? I love his ceiling, I dread his floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 What is more important ball placement or arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, DallasBillsFan1 said: I wonder what the write up on Tom Brady was .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What is more important ball placement or arm strength. ^^^^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What is more important ball placement or arm strength. Arm strength. If you don't have it you cannot succeed in the NFL at all. If you have arm strength but poor ball placement, you can play in the NFL and it's possible that you could be decent, however unlikely. But you can play and even succeed. See Tyrod Taylor. If you lack arm strength you cannot play or ever succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Oh yeah? OH YEAH?! Well - you've got bust written all over you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/nfl-patriots-tom-brady-draft-college-michigan-scouting-report Interesting physical characteristics and a common skill set : "Brady possesses an unspectacular arm, but it’s good enough to play at the next level. He can drive the ball downfield, especially on in-breaking and seam routes." "From a mechanical standpoint, Brady is among the best in this draft class. Of the top quarterback prospects, only Marshall’s Chad Pennington and West Virginia’s Marc Bulger really compare. Brady’s eyes and feet are totally in sync as he goes from one progression to the next." "But when Brady is asked to work the short passing game, he is at his best, because of his ability process information and get through his reads efficiently." Edited March 13, 2018 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Arm strength. If you don't have it you cannot succeed in the NFL at all. If you have arm strength but poor ball placement, you can play in the NFL and it's possible that you could be decent, however unlikely. But you can play and even succeed. See Tyrod Taylor. If you lack arm strength you cannot play or ever succeed. Really so the best ever and the second best ever and third best ever all could not play or ever succeed. Brady Manning Montana all weaker arms but elite ball placement Just now, Lurker said: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/nfl-patriots-tom-brady-draft-college-michigan-scouting-report Interesting physical characteristics and a common skill set : "From a mechanical standpoint, Brady is among the best in this draft class. Of the top quarterback prospects, only Marshall’s Chad Pennington and West Virginia’s Marc Bulger really compare. Brady’s eyes and feet are totally in sync as he goes from one progression to the next." "But when Brady is asked to work the short passing game, he is at his best, because of his ability process information and get through his reads efficiently." Hmmmmm who in this class has top end Mechanics??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Oh yeah? OH YEAH?! Well - you've got bust written all over you! Josh? Is that you? HEY! I like the fire in your belly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Really so the best ever and the second best ever and third best ever all could not play or ever succeed. Brady Manning Montana all weaker arms but elite ball placement All of them had sufficient arm strength. Brady has a pretty strong arm in the last ten years. One of few that significantly increased. Manning had quite good arm strength for 80-90% of his career. If he started his career with the arm he had at the end he never would have played more than one season. Montana had a good enough arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: All of them had sufficient arm strength. Brady has a pretty strong arm in the last ten years. One of few that significantly increased. Manning had quite good arm strength for 80-90% of his career. If he started his career with the arm he had at the end he never would have played more than one season. Montana had a good enough arm. Good so again Rosen has a good enough arm Darnold has one too. Guess people want the new JP can throw it threw a wall (well if he can hit the wall) in Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFreddy22 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Dumb post what prospect regardless of position and player name doesn't have bust potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Sounds like phillip rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Rosen's the least likely to bust imo. Darnold and Mayfield may have more upside, but I'll believe Rosen will have an Eli Manning type career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Arm strength. If you don't have it you cannot succeed in the NFL at all. If you have arm strength but poor ball placement, you can play in the NFL and it's possible that you could be decent, however unlikely. But you can play and even succeed. See Tyrod Taylor. If you lack arm strength you cannot play or ever succeed. Hypothetical: do you take the 60mph thrower with poor ball placement or the 55mph thrower with good ball placement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This was the exact review that literally had media members laughing at it. They thought that the person who wrote it should be fired for being grossly inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Cease Fires Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I have a hard time believing that the guy with the best mechanics is the most likely to bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, Augie said: But he does not appear to be a natural thrower of the football. How is Allen not a natural thrower of the football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 agree with the OP 100%, he has Ryan Leaf written all over him, great talent but terrible personality and attitude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Bills aren't drafting Baker, OP - no matter how much you want them to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Just to reiterate I'm not totally against Rosen. I did seem him make a lot of nice throws and do some good things. He's just not quite as good as I was expecting based off what I've heard people say about him. Combine that with his durability issue's and I think he's a risky pick. If the Bills pick him I'll trust it but I'll just be a little nervous about it. Edited March 13, 2018 by Klaista2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Rosen's the least likely to bust imo. Darnold and Mayfield may have more upside, but I'll believe Rosen will have an Eli Manning type career. So just two Super Bowls during a Hall of Fame career? Shucks. Rosen had a bigger comeback than Reich when he was in Miami. It's called foreshadowing people. Plus he's really the only QB that I've seen that can alter his throwing motion and deliver an accurate ball. No broken mechanics, accuracy problems or size issues. He completes over 60% of his passes when facing the blitz. Sign me up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Blokestradamus said: Wore a !@#$ Trump hat so QB1. Make the Bills great again !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If this is his highlight reel, count me out. Looked robotic in the pocket, threw some very ill advised passes. Looked awkward under pressure. That wasn't a highlight reel. It was just 1 game. He went 35-59, with 491 yards and 4 touchdowns. They were down by 34 points near the end of the 3rd quarter. He led 5 straight touchdown drives (of 66 yards or longer) to score 35 unanswered points and win the game. It was the 2nd largest comeback victory in NCAA history. He was absolutely brilliant. I would highly suggest watching the game on YouTube sometime for anyone that's interested (or at least the 3rd and 4th quarters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, mannc said: How is Allen not a natural thrower of the football? What was his completion %? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The Bills aren't drafting Baker, OP - no matter how much you want them to. And you know this because???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Luka said: So just two Super Bowls during a Hall of Fame career? Shucks. Rosen had a bigger comeback than Reich when he was in Miami. It's called foreshadowing people. Plus he's really the only QB that I've seen that can alter his throwing motion and deliver an accurate ball. No broken mechanics, accuracy problems or size issues. He completes over 60% of his passes when facing the blitz. Sign me up. Did you consider Eli elite during the prime of his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, mannc said: How is Allen not a natural thrower of the football? I’ve seen him one hop bubble screens, and worse. Maybe it was his worst game of the year, but it looked worse than EJ. I’ve also seen him look amazing at times. I must say, the video of him not only missing pocket 1, 2 or 3 in the net.....but the ENTIRE NET was eye opening. I’m not saying he’ll be a bust. I just have serious concerns and don’t want to get carried away based on measurable. The one guy doing the video analysis made me laugh with “can you imagine if the NBA rated players on how hard they could throw the ball at the rim?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: What was his completion %? What does one have to do with the other? When did college completion percentage become the main criterium for NFL success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Jesus. Did Rosen bang that executives girlfriend or something? Seems pretty harsh Nope, his daughter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Cease Fires Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, mannc said: What does one have to do with the other? When did college completion percentage become the main criterium for NFL success? 56 percent is really low, and completion percentage doesn't tend to go up a ton between college and the NFL. If you think you're okay with an NFL QB throwing in the mid to high 50s percentage wise, I suggest you take a look at completion stats in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, mannc said: What does one have to do with the other? When did college completion percentage become the main criterium for NFL success? Decent indicator of anticipation and accuracy. Most college QB's below a 59% career completion percentage drafted in the 1st round are a bust. Michael Vick being the outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Arm strength. If you don't have it you cannot succeed in the NFL at all. If you have arm strength but poor ball placement, you can play in the NFL and it's possible that you could be decent, however unlikely. But you can play and even succeed. See Tyrod Taylor. If you lack arm strength you cannot play or ever succeed. Daniel Jeremiah March 12, 2018 More Lessons I've learned after studying my mistakes: QB-Accuracy/touch > arm strength OT-Need core strength & awareness OC/OG- Anchor > athleticism TE-Short area quicks needed WR- Game speed > timed speed Edge-Effort & Finishing matters LB-need to run/cover Secondary- MUST FIND BALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: He is a train wreck, I 'm not sure why people are all over him. His combine was a huge awakening for a lot of media and scouts. I was listening to the Simms and Lefkoe podcast today and they were destroying him. They didn't understand how a QB go 1 for 6 on out routes in shorts. Simms has turned into a hot take diva. I like some of his analysis, but he has became completely hyperbolic to get attention and I think it's working for him. He's entertaining, I just think he goes a bit over the top at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Decent indicator of anticipation and accuracy. Most college QB's below a 59% career completion percentage drafted in the 1st round are a bust. Michael Vick being the outlier. Go watch him in the Senior Bowl and in the Potato (!) Bowl. Scouts will put more stock in game tape of Allen than his bare completion percentage, especially at a school like Wyoming, where he’s throwing to a bunch of one and two star guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: It was the 2nd largest comeback victory in NCAA history. He was absolutely brilliant. I would highly suggest watching the game on YouTube sometime for anyone that's interested (or at least the 3rd and 4th quarters). I've watched that game a few times, and he was quite good. I'd be happy if we drafted him. That said, there are two or three dropped interceptions in that game - one inexplicably that went right through the hands of the defender into the arms of the receiver for a long TD. Could use that mojo on the bills amirite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, DFT said: No issues. There was a study done a few years back that brought to light that the average college athlete comes to the NFL with an average of two concussions (documented or not). He’s shown no ill effects and has elite mechanics, with incredible football acumen. No reservations on my part. I know of 3 WRs who had 2+ concussions at OSU this year. One sat a game but the rest got “cleared” ... not saying I take it lightly but i guarantee he’s not the only draft prospect who has had concussions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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