Freddie's Dead Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I'm liking this move. Bills won't have to burn a high draft pick for RB now. The early draft needs to be QB, DL, LB, OL, WR, in that order. RB should be relegated to rounds 5-7, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Seems like Tolbert 2.0, not impressed but hope he proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Seems like Tolbert 2.0, not impressed but hope he proves me wrong. I think he's got a bit more burst, and his jump cut's pretty legit. Not quite lynch, but reminds me a bit of marion barber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 22 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: For all those referencing Tolbert 2,0 please refer to Ivory's midsection. http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Mike-Tolbert/8dd3da23-c460-41ed-90e8-c4ce9aff8ad6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: So despite your dissatisfaction with the moves made last year, the Bills made the playoffs and changed the culture. What does/should that tell you? ODB is CRA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: For all those referencing Tolbert 2,0 please refer to Ivory's midsection. http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Mike-Tolbert/8dd3da23-c460-41ed-90e8-c4ce9aff8ad6 Tolbert had a better YPC last year than Ivory, I care more about performance than appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 It's an ok signing, don't understand the hate, we can still draft a guy or sign an undrafted guy to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, dneveu said: I think he's got a bit more burst, and his jump cut's pretty legit. Not quite lynch, but reminds me a bit of marion barber. Hope you’re right, but he hasn’t been effective his last two years and is 30 years old. Would think a younger back in the later rounds could get 3.4 a carry. Just now, NewDayBills said: It's an ok signing, don't understand the hate, we can still draft a guy or sign an undrafted guy to develop. I wouldn’t say it’s hate, just questions about the need to sign a past his prime back who has been bad for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said: Seems like Tolbert 2.0, not impressed but hope he proves me wrong. He is not anything like Tolbert except being a vet. Tolbert was actually a FB who played RB here. Ivory is an actual RB who is 2.5 years younger, faster, 3inches taller and about 30 lb lighter. Edited March 7, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Hope you’re right, but he hasn’t been effective his last two years and is 30 years old. Would think a younger back in the later rounds could get 3.4 a carry. I wouldn’t say it’s hate, just questions about the need to sign a past his prime back who has been bad for 2 years. He's not making big money. How much of the problem was Jacksonville? Leonard Fournette rushed for 3.9 ypc and he barely managed that. Through the first 8 games Fournette was averaging 3.4 ypc, I know this cause I followed him. So a top 5 RB that should probably be getting 5.0 ypc couldn't even break 4.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: For al those losing sleep over this signing, is it possible that a 29 year old journeyman RB doesn’t even survive training camp? Anything is possible- but it seems like this regime doesn’t insist on youth at RB. I can’t remember an HB even in camp last year under 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Anything is possible- but it seems like this regime doesn’t insist on youth at RB. I can’t remember an HB even in camp last year under 27 Jonathan Williams 24, Cedric O Neill 24, Jordan Johnson 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Jonathan Williams 24, Cedric O Neill 24, Jordan Johnson 23. We’ve concluded my memory sucks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He is not anything like Tolbert except being a vet. Tolbert was actually a FB who played RB here. Ivory is an actual RB who is 2.5 years younger, faster, 3inches taller and about 30 lb lighter. I agree that physically they aren’t very similar. But their results are similar, two years of sub 3.8 ypc. Again, I don’t really care as long as this doesn’t end up being the same situation we saw last year with Tolbert. Where an ineffective player is continually used in a predictable manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Hope you’re right, but he hasn’t been effective his last two years and is 30 years old. Would think a younger back in the later rounds could get 3.4 a carry. I wouldn’t say it’s hate, just questions about the need to sign a past his prime back who has been bad for 2 years. 3.4 a carry on a ton of 3rd and short stuff last year - and their o-line was absolute garbage in 2016, and not particuarly great in 2017. I'm not saying he's fantastic, but Fournette averaged 3.9, and only had 3 games all year where he was above 4. Our defense was very mediocre against the run, and we bottled up their run game pretty handily in the playoffs. I suspect a lot of teams did that the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: 3.4 a carry on a ton of 3rd and short stuff last year - and their o-line was absolute garbage in 2016, and not particuarly great in 2017. I'm not saying he's fantastic, but Fournette averaged 3.9, and only had 3 games all year where he was above 4. Our defense was very mediocre against the run, and we bottled up their run game pretty handily in the playoffs. I suspect a lot of teams did that the last 2 years. Yeah, somebody else mentioned how bad the Jags were at running, good point. Like I said, I’ll hope for the best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dneveu said: 3.4 a carry on a ton of 3rd and short stuff last year - and their o-line was absolute garbage in 2016, and not particuarly great in 2017. I'm not saying he's fantastic, but Fournette averaged 3.9, and only had 3 games all year where he was above 4. Our defense was very mediocre against the run, and we bottled up their run game pretty handily in the playoffs. I suspect a lot of teams did that the last 2 years. I sat in a clinic with their o-line coach Pat Flaherty last week. Great guy who coached the line for the Giants during their Super Bowls. The two things I learned watching their coaches film is that Cam Robinson has a some potential and their line is not very good. He he also spoke highly of Fournette and Ivory. Edited March 7, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I don't mind the signing at all. The Bills needed a better backup plan for McCoy than Mike Tolbert. The low YPC numbers don't really bother me all that much, in light of just how bad Jacksonville was at running the ball. The Bills weren't great at it either, which makes Ivory even more valuable as a receiver, which he's pretty good at. He'll be able to do more as a backup than what anyone else on the roster could do last year. He's not a huge expense, and the Bills are not moving on from McCoy anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: Yeah, somebody else mentioned how bad the Jags were at running, good point. Like I said, I’ll hope for the best. I mean the guy led the AFC in rushing in 2015, and made the all-rookie team as a UDFA. There's clearly some talent there. I'm concerned about availability, and increased fumbles over the last 2 years. I'm not concerned about his age, or how much he was paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: Tolbert had a better YPC last year than Ivory, I care more about performance than appearance. I just looked up receiving #'s for both. Ivory averaged 8.8 yards per catch over the last 2 in JAX. Tolbert had 5.9 last year with BUF. Someone posted earlier that Ivory is ranked high in pass blocking (I don't have access to those numbers). If someone has those numbers I think it would nice to see them. FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I've always liked Chris Ivory -- solid vet, hard runner. Now draft someone on day 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Doesn't cost us in the compensatory pick formula, and he's solid depth to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Really don't understand this signing. So many RBs available through FA or the Draft. And they're younger and for less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Really don't understand this signing. So many RBs available through FA or the Draft. And they're younger and for less money. That’s good because they still need 2 more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s good because they still need 2 more ...perhaps head to camp with Cadet, Murphy and a draftee......wonder how the Banyard kid who did show some promise ended up in the McD doghouse?...signed and released THREE times..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 hours ago, KD in CA said: I've always liked Chris Ivory -- solid vet, hard runner. Now draft someone on day 3. I have too. Especially with the Jets. Ivory is a good pick up. Marrone still cannot produce a quality O line. idiot Draft one to compete with Cadet or whomever 44 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...perhaps head to camp with Cadet, Murphy and a draftee......wonder how the Banyard kid who did show some promise ended up in the McD doghouse?...signed and released THREE times..... hes and older player i believe, and likely has reached his ceiling. Good ST player though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: Really don't understand this signing. So many RBs available through FA or the Draft. And they're younger and for less money. I'm on the fence, he's proved in his history he can carry the rock all 4 quarters. He will be a solid compliment to shady, power with a dash of speed. Unlike Tolbert, who is slower than my grandmother. But I agree there's alot of younger faster fa rbs out there but god forbid shady goes down, ivory has proven to carry the rock. I have a feeling bills still trade up to draft a QB and draft rb late, ivory is just insurance if the bills swing and miss on a late round rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...perhaps head to camp with Cadet, Murphy and a draftee......wonder how the Banyard kid who did show some promise ended up in the McD doghouse?...signed and released THREE times..... I have sources deep within that the Bills brass aren’t happy with Cadet’s rehab. They’re likely going to part ways. Likely replacement is Ebony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...perhaps head to camp with Cadet, Murphy and a draftee......wonder how the Banyard kid who did show some promise ended up in the McD doghouse?...signed and released THREE times..... I wouldn’t totally sleep on Aaron green. He’s under contract. Kind of a homeless man’s Shady McCoy. Just get a UDFA, they said. Dime a dozen, they said. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/aaron-green?id=2555217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 IF the Browns or Giants say Shady have to be part of a deal, then Ivory becomes #1. Maybe this gives GM this option, if it presents itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I wouldn’t totally sleep on Aaron green. He’s under contract. Kind of a homeless man’s Shady McCoy. Just get a UDFA, they said. Dime a dozen, they said. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/aaron-green?id=2555217 not very uplifting report Yolo. Hope they draft some speed with hands now that Ivory is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: not very uplifting report Yolo. Hope they draft some speed with hands now that Ivory is in place. I was kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 year deal to upgrade Tolbert. Good move. We can pick up 2 rooks in UDFA and see if we get a diamond in the rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I was kidding i suspected. But some folks are not as sharp as me. Hence my attempt to clarify for the Others.... Just now, FearLess Price said: 2 year deal to upgrade Tolbert. Good move. We can pick up 2 rooks in UDFA and see if we get a diamond in the rough. churn the roster. i got no problem with that. Guy seems half smart too. i do think thats prerequisite of late. Same with Vontae Davis. speaks very well about defenses and his experience with different Coaches back to College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: i suspected. But some folks are not as sharp as me. Hence my attempt to clarify for the Others.... churn the roster. i got no problem with that. Guy seems half smart too. i do think thats prerequisite of late. Same with Vontae Davis. speaks very well about defenses and his experience with different Coaches back to College. Right. One draft pick and 3 key low level signings fixed our secondary last off season. Im excited to see what we do this time around. The Cousins deal will be a deciding factor on whether McBeane trades up for a QB. Giants trading picks for players shows us they could be a trade partner if Denver fails to sign Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Chris Ivory's two-year deal with the Bills averages $2.75 million per season, making him the 20th-highest paid running back in the NFL. The deal includes cap numbers of $2.46875 million (2018, 16th on team) and $3 million (2019, 11th on team). He gets a $1.5 million signing bonus, a $1 million base salary in 2018 and a $1.5 million base salary in 2019. He can earn roster bonuses of up to $500,000 each season payable in $31,250 per game on the 46-man roster. He also gets $250,000 workout bonuses each year. Mike Rodak, ESPN Staff Writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 DeMarco Murray was just released. Rather have him than Ivory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 He will cost a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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