Turk71 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) I already posted this in one other thread and I promise this will be the last time. The Josh Allen hype.... I have never seen so much hype for a guy who was so below average in college, 82nd out of 125 in passing eff., and 75th out of 125 in total qbr. 56% completions two years in a row playing in a weak non power conference. That completion % was 95th out of 125, let that sink in. I get the fact that he is big and can throw the ball far, but the hype and comparisons are ridiculous. At least Wentz was accurate and had an efficient college career, Allen has never shown that he can play the game at a high level. P.S. His 6.7 yds. per att. was 94th out of 125. Edited March 4, 2018 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......so Jerry ran a 4.73......is he off your list?....... Jerry who? What list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I feel like there was a very good looking poster that predicted that Bryan would have an amazing combine...wish I could remember who... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Jerry who? What list? ...EASY bro...keep those palpitations to a minimum........talkin' Jerry from Mississippi Valley State versus Jerry from Dallas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 How did Andruw Brown look today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I feel like there was a very good looking poster that predicted that Bryan would have an amazing combine...wish I could remember who... I don’t think Gunner is THAT handsome but to each their own 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, horned dogs said: How did Andruw Brown look today? Solid 31 reps, 28" vertical, 8'5" broad, 7.51 3-cone, 4.48 20-s, 1.77/1.73 10-yard splits 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think Gunner is THAT handsome but to each their own ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I feel like there was a very good looking poster that predicted that Bryan would have an amazing combine...wish I could remember who... Haven't you heard that self-promotion is gauche? One of the standards to be allowed to post here is to be unattractive. So the person who made the prediction about Bryan must have been an outsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....funny how people drool or puke over 40 times....when the hell does a guy get to run 40 yds unimpeded during the real deal?......Jesus, Slo Mo Jerry Rice ran a 4.73 and yes, he eventually "sucked"..... You're correct about how often 40 yards are run over a straight line but that's not what they're looking for, necessarily. Split times are key as well as the endurance indicators over the course of that distance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I feel like there was a very good looking poster that predicted that Bryan would have an amazing combine...wish I could remember who... Been predicting for months on Twitter at least. Fastest first I’ve seen from an interior DL since Aaron Donald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 What's the word on Shimonek, the QB? He looked good this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....funny how people drool or puke over 40 times....when the hell does a guy get to run 40 yds unimpeded during the real deal?......Jesus, Slo Mo Jerry Rice ran a 4.73 and yes, he eventually "sucked"..... Most of the time you're right. RB, LB, DB and WR it's important to a degree, not as important as you eluded to, you have to factor in change of direction, lateral movement and acceleration, the 40yd is a nice stat though, but definitely overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 18 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Taven Bryan with a 1.68 10 split! 30 reps yesterday Rasheem rocks a 1.66 on attempt 2!!!! If his 3-come comes in sub-7.0, he'll get looks as a DE in a 40 front Bryan at DE too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Pete said: 4.52 Roquan. He is my favorite player in this draft 4.66 6" 5 256 for my dude Vander Esch Visions of Esch and Bryan dancing through my head . 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve been saying that he was a future Patriot for 2 years. Former LAX player too, it’s on. No Pats Please! Bills All Day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Turk71 said: I already posted this in one other thread and I promise this will be the last time. The Josh Allen hype.... I have never seen so much hype for a guy who was so below average in college, 82nd out of 125 in passing eff., and 75th out of 125 in total qbr. 56% completions two years in a row playing in a weak non power conference. That completion % was 95th out of 125, let that sink in. I get the fact that he is big and can throw the ball far, but the hype and comparisons are ridiculous. At least Wentz was accurate and had an efficient college career, Allen has never shown that he can play the game at a high level. P.S. His 6.7 yds. per att. was 94th out of 125. Poor man's Kyle Boller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Vander Esch 98 percentile for height 95 for weight 96 for wingspan 3 cone under 7 seconds 4.66 40 yard dash 2 best shuttle This kid is a beast! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/3/2018 at 9:14 PM, Cusefan66214 said: The bills will probably trade up and draft the guy with the stumps for arms in the first round better than a fat ugly like you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: Vander Esch 98 percentile for height 95 for weight 96 for wingspan 3 cone under 7 seconds 4.66 40 yard dash 2 best shuttle This kid is a beast! Any idea why he didn't start until his senior year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah, but who touched the door? I'd cross him off my draft list. I disagree, I'll take the leader over the follower every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, horned dogs said: Any idea why he didn't start until his senior year? That's a tough question to answer because he is a junior! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Commonsense said: Vander Esch 98 percentile for height 95 for weight 96 for wingspan 3 cone under 7 seconds 4.66 40 yard dash 2 best shuttle This kid is a beast! KVE and Taven Bryan are beasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 15 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....funny how people drool or puke over 40 times....when the hell does a guy get to run 40 yds unimpeded during the real deal?......Jesus, Slo Mo Jerry Rice ran a 4.73 and yes, he eventually "sucked"..... Jerry rice running a 4.73 is a pretty well known myth. Bill Walsh was quoted as Jerry running a 4.59 in the 40, and rice himself has always said he was not above 4.6. He wasn't the fastest wr, but he was not a 4.73 either. Here's a good link btw, with some excerpts from Walsh regarding the draft, rice, 40 times, etc http://www.sportsxchange.com/DS97/walsh/walsh3.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Commonsense said: Vander Esch 98 percentile for height 95 for weight 96 for wingspan 3 cone under 7 seconds 4.66 40 yard dash 2 best shuttle This kid is a beast! Mike Mamula LIVES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Mike Mamula LIVES! Haha BC, that one hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Not surprised. He’s been timed as the fastest guy on the team since he showed up on campus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Any reason Gesicki not getting more buzz around here? Guy blew up the combine and was hugely productive at Penn State. Carolina had an elite TE in Olsen when McBeane was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: That's a tough question to answer because he is a junior! Hilarious one year starter and you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Any reason Gesicki not getting more buzz around here? Guy blew up the combine and was hugely productive at Penn State. Carolina had an elite TE in Olsen when McBeane was there. There is a Gesicki thread on college forum. He’s a hybrid TE i think. More of a big WR. Can’t block. Great contested catch guy. Just throw it up to him. Been watching him since HS. I like him in the 3rd or later. Edited March 5, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) MMQB: • Top 10? Asked several GMs/scouts/coaches for their top 10 in the draft as of today. Here’s the consensus, in an order close to this: Barkley, USC QB Sam Darnold, North Carolina State pass-rusher Bradley Chubb, Allen, Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield, UCLA QB Josh Rosen, Notre Dame G Quenton Nelson Alabama DB Minkah Fitzpatrick Ohio State CB Denzel Ward Georgia LB Roquan Smith https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/05/nfl-combine-2018-news-josh-rosen-shaquem-griffin-mmqb-peter-king Edited March 5, 2018 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Any reason Gesicki not getting more buzz around here? Guy blew up the combine and was hugely productive at Penn State. Carolina had an elite TE in Olsen when McBeane was there. I like him, and I've seen some scouts compare him to Gronk. Another Penn State guy to keep an eye on is Christian Campbell, 6th or 7th round CB with really long arms and better playing off-man/zone. I think McDermott will draft one of these Penn State guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Roger Goodell > Orlando Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: Mike Mamula LIVES! Mike Mamula scored a 49 on the Wonderlic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Pete said: Mike Mamula scored a 49 on the Wonderlic He was also a DE. Don't need a 49 as a DE. DO as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: He was also a DE. Don't need a 49 as a DE. DO as a QB. 49 on the wonderlic is damn impressive. And Mamula used his brains to outsmart Eagles. He knew there was an emphasis on the combine results, so he specifically trained all year for the underwear olympics and got paid. BTW he played 6 years and was pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Jerry rice running a 4.73 is a pretty well known myth. Bill Walsh was quoted as Jerry running a 4.59 in the 40, and rice himself has always said he was not above 4.6. He wasn't the fastest wr, but he was not a 4.73 either. Here's a good link btw, with some excerpts from Walsh regarding the draft, rice, 40 times, etc http://www.sportsxchange.com/DS97/walsh/walsh3.htm ...thanks.......appreciate clarification....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Commonsense said: Vander Esch 98 percentile for height 95 for weight 96 for wingspan 3 cone under 7 seconds 4.66 40 yard dash 2 best shuttle This kid is a beast! Id Take McCray from Michigan over him anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...thanks.......appreciate clarification....... No problem By the way I agree with you commitment about 40 times being overblown Rice was a great example of that, his 4.59 dash was #13 for wr in his draft class The Walsh article I linked goes into great detail about how combine times aren't as important, but the drills/events are still very good at determining things, such as a OL or DL running the 40, they look at his running mechanics, how his balance looks, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, wppete said: Id Take McCray from Michigan over him anytime. He slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He slow 4.67 40 time. Looks faster on tape and moves great and afressive. I like him if we can get him in the 4th or 5th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 Derwin James with a great set of numbers: 21 reps, 40" vertical, 11' broad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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