Rapaport: Bills won’t cut Tyrod, fine with paying 6 mill bonus

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Baker and Rosen are the 2 guys that I think can play day 1. Bills fans will call for whomever to play day 1 but I think anyone outside of those 2 needs time. Seeing as FA comes first you need to insure yourself with a vet. 

If either Baker or Rosen is drafted the chorus for a change will come from the staff. And it will happen sooner rather than later. It does't seem like a good situation for Taylor or the organization. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve never seen a guy transfer skills to another player. Have you?

men·tor : an experienced and trusted adviser.

 

...once again, what from his skill set do you want him to teach or mentor as an "experienced and trusted advisor" according to my Funk & Wagnalls to the 1st round rook and Peterman?....lay out your "lesson plan" Professor...............

[OldTimer1960]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No.  You are paying $6M for the right to negotiate with future QB from a position of having a QB who can start and win (or at least not lose) half your games on the roster.

That is smart.

That is true to some extent, but presumably they like the QB that they are negotiating with better than Taylor so they still have to negotiate against other team’s offers.  I am not seeing a position of strength.

 

Of course, if the one they are negotiating with is a draft choice, then having Taylor won’t help n negotiating because the deal is mostly determined by the slot they were drafted in and deals signed by players drafted around the same time.

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Was that the wish you in a corn field one? the little boy that all had to suck up to?

 

yeah, Billy Mumy is the reason I always use protection. 

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

Or....they are preparing for what could happen like a diaster like everything goes wrong in free agency and the draft at qb

 

because that COULD happen

That is true.  That makes it a $6M insurance policy.  That isn’t that bad in comparison to the cap limit.

[Albwan]

2 hours ago, BeefCurtns said:

Can't wait!!!! One QB who's more seasoned and can't be a real QB and then another one with the same skill set 7 years younger.

Championship!!!!!

You guys up there in buffalo dont care for passing qb's do ya...

i have to imagine any other organizations fans would be screaming

if they had a a qb  that struggled to throw more than a td game.

We need to start calling it the battered fan syndrome...

but but but hes a nice guy....

Edited February 22, 2018 by Albwan

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, simool said:

 

Taking a QB at 22 is a karmic death sentence.  If this front office takes a QB at 22, we should burn them at the stake.

 

 

QB at 21, Vea at 22. 

[Punching Bag]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

It is smart IMHO to not cut last year's starting QB without next year's starter on the roster.

 

It shows that they do not intend on starting Peteredman as QB.

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

And maybe he would play right away. Earn it in camp. 

See my response to Kirby. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

If either Baker or Rosen is drafted the chorus for a change will come from the staff. And it will happen sooner rather than later. It does't seem like a good situation for Taylor or the organization. 

I would think that those guys can go day 1. The Bills just don’t know the player that they will add. FA should certainly come after the draft. That’s what will make this year so interesting. Everyone will buy their insurance policy and then fight for their rookie. Tyrod, at that price isn’t a bad insurance policy. I don’t think that it alters the Bills draft plans. It just raises the floor. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Tyrod + Lamar Jackson = worst case scenario, as they are pretty much the same player; Jackson just happens to be a bit taller.

 

I really do believe you are mistaken, and I started out with that point of view before watching film. 

Bottom line:  Jackson as a Jr threw 36% more attempts and 33% more yards than Tyrod threw as a Sr (by far his best year).

Tyrod played in a very simple one-read offense, throw and go.

Jackson took most snaps from shotgun, but makes pre-snap adjustments, audibles, and regularly makes progressions.  He doesn't have much of a pocket, but he does step up consistently into throwing lanes when they're there and is always looking to throw when he rolls out (a lot of his runs appear to be designed runs)

 

His footwork/mechanics are still developing, but he has a laser for an arm and is more accurate than his completion percentage suggests.  He flicks his wrist and BOOM.  His WR are charted as dropping 11 or 12% of his passes, the highest amoung the top QB.  Allen is 7 or 8% I believe.

 

I'd suggest that you watch some film, except that I found it hard to watch his footwork and progressions (and I was really really trying to) because his running is so stunning.

Try this, which doesn't have runs, it helped me.

 

And this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2662128-the-education-of-lamar-jackson-how-louisville-qb-went-from-project-to-superstar

And this:  https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/20/16928908/lamar-jackson-quarterback-wide-receiver (scroll down to it's 2018)

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

men·tor : an experienced and trusted adviser.

 

...once again, what from his skill set do you want him to teach or mentor as an "experienced and trusted advisor" according to my Funk & Wagnalls to the 1st round rook and Peterman?....lay out your "lesson plan" Professor...............

Peterman wouldn’t be on my roster for one. Tyrod works harder than anyone on that team. He studies his butt off and is literally the first guy in and the last to leave. He has been a total professional even when he maybe shouldn’t have been. That is exactly the example that you want a rookie to follow. 

[Alphadawg7]

No matter how much disdain anyone has for Tyrod, he makes the most sense to be the BRIDGE guy for whatever rookie we draft over a FA.  

1. He already knows the team, players, and most the coaches and he is a good teammate and leader with the players who works his butt off
2. But MOST importantly, he would ONLY be under contract ONE more season and then next year we can sign an inexpensive backup or have cheap Peterman backup whatever rookie we draft this year.  
3. If we were to cut Tyrod and sign a quality Vet, its going to probably require at least a 2 year contract as there will be competition for their services and that deal is also going to be as much, if not more, as Tyrods.  So when our rookie becomes our starter during his first year or to start the 2nd year, we are going to have more cap space sunk into a bench QB where as Tyrods deal comes off the books with no dead cap space hit.  

So who cares who the bridge QB is, might as well roll with a guy who knows the team, is liked by his teammates, has a winning record, and just led the Bills to the playoffs with a team friendly contract that comes off the books at the end of the year.

Edited February 22, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

if they draft a QB, although I expect they do pull the trigger this april and if put in to a position with no trade, he wont make it through the whole season before they insert the rookie in his stead due likely to poor performance. 

 

I can live with watching the rookie take his lumps over watching taylor run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Edited February 23, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

if, although I expect they pull the trigger on drafting a QB and they if put in to a position with no trade, he wont make it through the whole season before they insert the rookie in his stead. due likely to poor performance. 

 

I can live with watching the rookie take his lumps over watching taylor run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

The problem is the Bills goal is to win. They are coming off of a playoff season. They aren’t trying to take lumps. They want to have as complete a team and hopefully hit on the QB. 

[Albwan]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

if, although I expect they pull the trigger on drafting a QB and they if put in to a position with no trade, he wont make it through the whole season before they insert the rookie in his stead. due likely to poor performance. 

 

I can live with watching the rookie take his lumps over watching taylor run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

or missing open qbs. or struggling to score. 

id even rather have peterman.

again bills fans have battered fan syndrome.

but ..but... but... hes a nice guy

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

or missing open qbs. or struggling to score. 

id even rather have peterman.

again bills fans have battered fan syndrome.

but ..but... but... hes a nice guy

 

You just proved it with the bolded. 

[KW95 - JA17]

After watching a few videos. Nothing impresses me here.

 

 

[Big Turk]

Wow...OK then...I guess they are like "He'll be back if he has to be"

[Fadingpain]

The key here is "if necessary".

 

It won't be.

 

He's done!   Get over it!

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

The problem is the Bills goal is to win. They are coming off of a playoff season. They aren’t trying to take lumps. They want to have as complete a team and hopefully hit on the QB. 

 

you're quick. had to edit OP some. hey man, you never know, the rook could be ready to take those lumps and may do well.

 

a lot of ifs and a lot of speculation but it's what makes the off season.

 

 

think this one was good to 

 

 

[Real McClappy]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No matter how much disdain anyone has for Tyrod, he makes the most sense to be the BRIDGE guy for whatever rookie we draft over a FA.  

1. He already knows the team, players, and most the coaches and he is a good teammate and leader with the players who works his butt off
2. But MOST importantly, he would ONLY be under contract ONE more season and then next year we can sign an inexpensive backup or have cheap Peterman backup whatever rookie we draft this year.  
3. If we were to cut Tyrod and sign a quality Vet, its going to probably require at least a 2 year contract as there will be competition for their services and that deal is also going to be as much, if not more, as Tyrods.  So when our rookie becomes our starter during his first year or to start the 2nd year, we are going to have more cap space sunk into a bench QB where as Tyrods deal comes off the books with no dead cap space hit.  

So who cares who the bridge QB is, might as well roll with a guy who knows the team, is liked by his teammates, has a winning record, and just led the Bills to the playoffs with a team friendly contract that comes off the books at the end of the year.

2019 would have a dead cap hit?

[Kirby Jackson]

I’ve thought that Tyrod would be gone this whole offseason. It sure feels like Beane and company are being extremely cautious. That is probably the most responsible route. I expected them to throw caution to the wind. It doesn’t sound like that’s the case. They are very methodical. 

[Real McClappy]

5 minutes ago, KW95 said:

After watching a few videos. Nothing impresses me here.

 

 

Tyrod or Jackson?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

2019 would have a dead cap hit?

$5.56M (but the Bills have like $92M or something in 2019). 

[Albwan]

Id rather not have playoffs than a drek 3 point loss and out as well.

easily one of the worst playoff games i can remember...

just like carlin on wfan reminds me of everyday,

"at no point did i think either team was going to score points

at any point in that game"

Neither did I

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Peterman wouldn’t be on my roster for one. Tyrod works harder than anyone on that team. He studies his butt off and is literally the first guy in and the last to leave. He has been a total professional even when he maybe shouldn’t have been. That is exactly the example that you want a rookie to follow. 

 

...yes I agree,,,,the 5th round rook has had an insurmountable amount of time to show his wares and woefully failed....good Lord, the fickle get fickler.....the "One & Done Gang" strikes again......the WELCOME mat is out for Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph, Falk, etc or whoever else wants to sidestep the TBD pigeon crap.....

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

you're quick. had to edit OP some. hey man, you never know, the rook could be ready to take those lumps and may do well.

 

a lot of ifs and a lot of speculation but it's what makes the off season.

 

 

think this one was good to 

 

 

Yeah, I don’t know what is coming but I kind of trust these guys. They did some things that I agreed with even if they didn’t all work. They added Thompson and Benjamin because they realized the receivers weren’t good. They dumped Dennison because he was bad. They sent Zay to the bench despite investing a lot in him. They have done some things that a lot of young regimes don’t do, admitted their mistakes. That’s a big deal to me. Rex would have drown with his idiot brother. These guys are confident enough to admit mistakes and move one. That is a good thing IMO.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

Well that's an EXTREME disappointment.

 

If that clown starts the season, it's an abject failure.

 

Bills might feel the same way actually.
But it is wise to keep  your pal TT for most of the reasons stated above.

 Have faith . Lets hope Bills FO are smarter than what we have had in , dare i say , decades nearly?

 

 

[H2o]

3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Tyrod and Lamar Jackson?

If God loves me at all this will not happen.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...yes I agree,,,,the 5th round rook has had an insurmountable amount of time to show his wares and woefully failed....good Lord, the fickle get fickler.....the "One & Done Gang" strikes again......the WELCOME mat is out for Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph, Falk, etc or whoever else wants to sidestep the TBD pigeon crap.....

If I have Tyrod and Darnold (for example) where does that leave Peterman? As a 3rd stringer that has no chance of ever being the starter?  The Saints cut Garrett Grayson after a year and he was a 3rd (or something like that). If you have no future with the team there is no reason to waste the roster spot. 5th round picks flame out all of the time. It’s not rare. 

[Real McClappy]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I don’t know what is coming but I kind of trust these guys. They did some things that I agreed with even if they didn’t all work. They added Thompson and Benjamin because they realized the receivers weren’t good. They dumped Dennison because he was bad. They sent Zay to the bench despite investing a lot in him. They have done some things that a lot of young regimes don’t do, admitted their mistakes. That’s a big deal to me. Rex would have drown with his idiot brother. These guys are confident enough to admit mistakes and move one. That is a good thing IMO.

Agreed on all fronts. I'm reserved until after draft day. If they don't properly address the QB position I will become a complete jerk/asshat though towards the FO. Fair warning I guess. I have a feeling this FO gets what it takes to be successful though. 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Real McCoy

[Buffalo Ballin]

This offense truly revolves around the Running Back, McCoy. Not Tyrod Taylor. That's how we put up points. I don't care about TDs because we will get them anyway as long as McCoy is healthy. He opens up the offense options, not Tyrod.

 

I'm 99 percent sure Tyrod is gone in the future. There's an expiration date for everything, including Tyrod. We still got to get a QB who can get the first downs with the passing (Beane and company knows this), and again, Tyrod proved to most of us that he cannot do that consistently. That's why he was benched TWICE. Oh yeah, he will be gone one way or another. The head coach doesn't even trust him.

 

I'm fine with Tyrod QBing for us next season since he's just a bridge QB. Lamar Jackson or whoever will be the next QB here after Tyrod in 2020. If we didn't make the playoffs, Tyrod would have been released.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

This offense truly revolves around the Running Back, McCoy. Not Tyrod Taylor. That's how we put up points. I don't care about TDs because we will get them anyway as long as McCoy is healthy. He opens up the offense options, not Tyrod.

 

I'm 99 percent sure Tyrod is gone in the future. There's an expiration date for everything, including Tyrod. We still got to get a QB who can get the first downs with the passing (Beane and company knows this), and again, Tyrod proved to most of us that he cannot do that consistently. That's why he was benched TWICE. Oh yeah, he will be gone one way or another. The head coach doesn't even trust him.

 

I'm fine with Tyrod QBing for us next season since he's just a bridge QB. Lamar Jackson or whoever will be the next QB here after Tyrod in 2020. If we didn't make the playoffs, Tyrod would have been released.

When was the second time that he was benched? Surely not the week 17 game, against the Jets,  that we wanted to lose,  when he had an injury guarantee in his contract right?

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

Or....they are preparing for what could happen like a diaster like everything goes wrong in free agency and the draft at qb

 

because that COULD happen

 

Yes

 

26 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

That is true.  That makes it a $6M insurance policy.  That isn’t that bad in comparison to the cap limit.

 

Yes

 

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve thought that Tyrod would be gone this whole offseason. It sure feels like Beane and company are being extremely cautious. That is probably the most responsible route. I expected them to throw caution to the wind. It doesn’t sound like that’s the case. They are very methodical. 

 

Yes

 

They are not going to go into FA with only Peter-Man.

[PolishDave]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

If we had ANYONE else under center in that Jacksonville game, we'd have won. But ok. He's just "not good enough."

 

 

How many picks could 6 picks Peterman pick if 6 picks Peterman could pick picks?

[3rdand12]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve thought that Tyrod would be gone this whole offseason. It sure feels like Beane and company are being extremely cautious. That is probably the most responsible route. I expected them to throw caution to the wind. It doesn’t sound like that’s the case. They are very methodical. 

perhaps now we are better able to feel what " The Process " is actually ?

 Most fans  cannot wait as patience , focus and diligence become employed full by 1BD ?
I can .

[Buffalo Ballin]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When was the second time that he was benched? Surely not the week 17 game, against the Jets,  that we wanted to lose,  when he had an injury guarantee in his contract right?

 That is the second time. The official reason for Tyrod's benching never came out. Injury guarantee (or whatever it was), it looks bad on Tyrod's career anyway. Simply, he still got benched. A top 10 QB will not be benched like that. Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady will not get their butts embarrassed in that manner regardless of the contract terms.

 

We lost that game and it didn't even matter. What did it add up to? A higher draft pick? I can't recall.

[3rdand12]

18 minutes ago, H2o said:

If God loves me at all this will not happen.

uh oh. on both counts..