John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: If he struggled like that against a legitimate, tough SEC defense in a bowl game, what do you think is going to happen to him when he gets to the NFL and has to go up against defenses that are 10 times as tougher, faster and stronger than that? Also, did Jackson even have to make pre-snap reads in Petrino's offense? Yes because no QB from college every had a game against a good SEC defense in college then did go on to have a productive NFL career. You cannot take a one sample of one game and make this evaluation...you have to look at it as a whole. Go back and research further....he was not running RPO plays in college.....would probably actually run more in the NFL.....and he got better as a passer every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I'm okay with Jackson at 21 and I'm okay with Tyrod in Buffalo another year. As much as I want Cousins or Keenum, not a chance that happens, we don't have the cap room to make that happen, so why dump our starting QB? WHY!!!!??!???!?!?! Because he can run around like a headless chicken and throw the ball 80 yards with the flick of his wrist? That is, when he has a perfectly clean pocket, no pressure, and receivers that don't have any defensive backs within 15 yards of them?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 build the lines both offense and defense. you think nick foles wins with our oline? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, jr1 said: take a guy late like Logan Woodside Nah. Draft one first two rounds or bust. If the Chiefs can trade up for Mahomes with Smith under contract, no reason we can't too. In fact, I think that is the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Werent alot of people last year saying dwatson would be exactly like tyrod. Now L jackson will be too? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 So basically - they're gonna pay the $6 mil so the team trading for him will only pay the $10 mil base salary. Cheaper deal makes him more attractive. And they can't very well move a player that everyone knows will be cut. This changes nothing IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: This is smart. As I've said all along, there's No reason to dump him unless it's for an upgrade. It keeps the locker room happy too. Plus, Paying his bonus would definitely make a trade easier I'd think. It eats into the Bills cap this year but 2018 is already a big mess with tons of dead money, so why not try to maximize an asset (if he's traded)? This also makes the Bills look less desperate to move on from him, therefore may help up any potential offers. And if the plan is to draft a QB, it probably makes the most sense to just keep Tyrod this year anyway. Anyone but the extremists realizes that this is a prudent course. You don't make a change at QB just for the sake of it because it can always be worse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Translation: We’d rather trade him instead. Please call us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Man, I really miss Chris Farley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: WHY!!!!??!???!?!?! Because he can run around like a headless chicken and throw the ball 80 yards with the flick of his wrist? That is, when he has a perfectly clean pocket, no pressure, and receivers that don't have any defensive backs within 15 yards of them?????? You should research more. You are not seeing what scouts are seeing. If you ask me TT is just too similar to him hence the hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Another great reason to turn off the TV on Sundays in 2018 to spend time with family. I can’t watch another Bills game with Tyrod Taylor under center. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Great move and good forward thinking on the Bills part. As I have said all off-season getting rid of him without a clear upgrade on the roster is setting yourself up to fail. Paying $6 million dollars is not a guarantee he's staying. It is a guarantee we won't end up with (and yes, there is) a worse option. With all the available QBs this year I don't think they would find a trade partner quickly for his services and cutting him just leaves Peterman as the only QB under contract until FA begins. It's a small sum of money in the grand scheme of things. All that said, I still expect an upgrade to be found and TT to be cut/traded soon after. This changes nothing in my eyes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: So basically - they're gonna pay the $6 mil so the team trading for him will only pay the $10 mil base salary. Cheaper deal makes him more attractive. And they can't very well move a player that everyone knows will be cut. This changes nothing IMO. While I like the lamentation of some of our fav anti TT people here This is what I believe to...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: WHY!!!!??!???!?!?! Because he can run around like a headless chicken and throw the ball 80 yards with the flick of his wrist? That is, when he has a perfectly clean pocket, no pressure, and receivers that don't have any defensive backs within 15 yards of them?????? Jackson is malleable, that's why. He has a big arm, is an electrifying runner, I like him. I think most people dislike him because of the whole 'black guys can't play QB' argument. Look past skin color, Jackson is more like Deshaun Watson than he is Geno Smith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, McBean said: Another great reason to turn off the TV on Sundays in 2018 to spend time with family. I can’t watch another Bills game with Tyrod Taylor under center. We are gonna miss you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Hemet said: You should research more. You are not seeing what scouts are seeing. If you ask me TT is just too similar to him hence the hate Isn't that what a detective is supposed to do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I'm absolutely fine with Tyrod as the bridge QB. The only mistake, as I've said all offseason, would be using Tyrod as an excuse not to draft your franchise QB. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, McBean said: Another great reason to turn off the TV on Sundays in 2018 to spend time with family. I can’t watch another Bills game with Tyrod Taylor under center. Hey man, come visit Letchworth, we will be there (Mt Morris) for most of September/October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Bills Detective Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Jackson is malleable, that's why. He has a big arm, is an electrifying runner, I like him. I think most people dislike him because of the whole 'black guys can't play QB' argument. Look past skin color, Jackson is more like Deshaun Watson than he is Geno Smith. So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Not many QBs have won Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: Not many QBs have won Super Bowls. Russell Wilson has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Cunningham was screwed by injuries in '93 and '94. He had a great career up until that point. If he had a little more talent on that Eagles team (Reggie White not withstanding) he would have gone to the Super Bowl IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Steve Young did OK, John Elway did OK. I mean, I see what you're saying but the game has changed. Dual threat QBs is where the game is headed IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Dan Marino never won one. Jim Kelly never won one. Guess we shouldn't draft a classic pocket passer either. 8 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 IMO, this should actually make the "draft a QB" crowd very happy. If true, it seems a pretty strong indication that the Bills aren't going to pursue Cousins as a long term starter and are going to draft a QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Anyone but the extremists realizes that this is a prudent course. You don't make a change at QB just for the sake of it because it can always be worse. Yup. And you don't dump him for some dream of an upgrade either (that's not even on the roster yet). If they draft a rookie and he beats out Tyrod this year, fantastic! Then he earned it legitimately. But you don't cut Tyrod before that rookie has taken a single practice snap, or is even on the roster. If they can can get an upgrade in free agency, I'm all for it. IMO though, Cousins looks like the only real franchise type QB on the market. Otherwise, pretty much everyone else looks like a bridge QB anyway. So if the plan is just to draft a 1st round rookie who wil most likely be starting in a year, im not sure I see a whole lot of point in aggressively pursuing one of these other QBs (Keenum, Bradford etc) who are probably going to be overpaid - in dollars and term. Only problem is the draft is a somewhere around 6 weeks after free agency opens, so you don't know how the draft will shake out and if you'll get that 1st round QB you want. And I don't think they necessarily want to be stuck with Tyrod for multiple years. So I could see it going either way, in regard to Tyrod. I guess it'll depend on how big of an upgrade they view some of these free agent QBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Ian Rapaport is always right. JK, he's usually right. JK, he's sometimes right. JK, he's been right a few times. JK, he's been right maybe once before. Yeah, that sounds right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Russell Wilson has. Steve Young too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: So was Vick. So was Randall Cunningham. How many Super Bowls did they win in the NFL? Oh wow....really? Michael Vick in his younger days was a number 1 overall pick who practically carried his team.....we would not take that here? Randall Cunningham was also a fine QB There are only like 5 QBs in the entire NFL that can do it all without help....you think we are gonna find a for sure one of them out of this draft? Come on man....live in reality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Jackson is malleable, that's why. He has a big arm, is an electrifying runner, I like him. I think most people dislike him because of the whole 'black guys can't play QB' argument. Look past skin color, Jackson is more like Deshaun Watson than he is Geno Smith. I'm definitely ok with taking Jackson in the draft if he's still available for us. I understand why Tyrod can't be cut RIGHT NOW. He will be eventually. I hate Tyrod's game, too. So what that Vick and Randall Cunningham can't win the big thing? It's a team game. I just want a QB who can consistently convert 3rd downs with his arm. Tyrod is definitely NOT the guy who can do that. I don't wanna hear about his TD/INT ratio. That's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 From Buffalo Rumblings: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/1/17/16896846/money-buffalo-bills-save-cutting-tyrod-taylor-trade-june-1-designation-release-salary-cap If they release him before paying his bonus 2018 cap hit: $18.08 million Roster bonus due: $6 million Salary due: $10 million Dead Money: $8.64 million Guaranteed offset: $1 million Cap Savings: $10.44 million ($16 million post-June 1) If they pay his roster bonus before trading/releasing him 2018 cap hit: $18.08 million Roster bonus paid: $6 million Salary due: $10 million Dead Money: $14.64 million Guaranteed offset: $1 million Cap savings: $4.44 million ($10 million post-June 1) So this means is a $6 million insurance policy on the cap...is this right? I guess if they designate post-June 1st its only a $400,000 insurance possible -- which is great. However, it puts $6 million in dead money into 2019 but that's okay -- Bills have plenty of 2019 cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: It's actually a smart move if they do plan on drafting Lamar Jackson. Taylor's contract is off the books in 2019 and any decent FA QB signed this year will want more than a one year deal. That means they'll have a lot of draft picks (this year) and salary cap (next year) to support Jackson's chances of success. Exactly you are going to be committing to another veteran QB for more than 1 yr. If the plan is to draft a QB early the expectation they are going to start sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Tyrod + Lamar Jackson = worst case scenario, as they are pretty much the same player; Jackson just happens to be a bit taller. Jackson is twice the qb Taylor is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said: I'm definitely ok with taking Jackson in the draft if he's still available for us. I understand why Tyrod can't be cut RIGHT NOW. He will be eventually. I hate Tyrod's game, too. So what that Vick and Randall Cunningham can't win the big thing? It's a team game. I just want a QB who can consistently convert 3rd downs with his arm. Tyrod is definitely NOT the guy who can do that. I don't wanna hear about his TD/INT ratio. That's crap. I want a QB that can put up points. Tyrod has lead a couple top 12 scoring offenses. You can continue to try and upgrade Taylor. Keeping Taylor does not prevent that. I don't know why fans don't understand that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, simool said: I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Funny, I love saying I told you so.... but, I didn't tell you so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: Jackson is twice the qb Taylor is. You might want to let the kid take an NFL snap first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Oh wow....really? Michael Vick in his younger days was a number 1 overall pick who practically carried his team.....we would not take that here? Randall Cunningham was also a fine QB There are only like 5 QBs in the entire NFL that can do it all without help....you think we are gonna find a for sure one of them out of this draft? Come on man....live in reality Carried them to what? These records below? 2001 NFC West 4th 7 9 0 2002 NFC South 2nd 9 6 1 2003 NFC South 4th 5 11 0 2004 NFC South 1st 11 5 0 2005 NFC South 3rd 8 8 0 2006 NFC South 3rd 7 9 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Virgil said: What’s the cap hit to trade him after his option is picked up? I'm pretty sure it's almost the exact same. The issue to cap hit is that he got a signing bonus on his 2016 contract that was annualized. That dead cap creates almost as much of a cap hit than any bonus savings. What paying the bonus does is give a trade that is a very nice one year option to someone who loses out on the Cousins bidding. $10 M a year for a one year free and clear contract? If there is another Bridgewater or Tannehill situation that's a bargain compared to Glennon or Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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