Forget Kirk Cousins

[CritMark]

6 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

tyrod and a 3rd that's who.

 

The problem is the team knows what they have with Foles, in their system, in their locker room and on their field.  ANY other option doesn't give them that kind of certainty, or as much as you can ever get in the NFL.  I don't see them dealing him until late in the season, if at all.  Certainly not in this off season.

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

How are all these raccoons getting their hands on opioids, anyway?!

[Irv]

His contract has to include a clause not to throw from the one on first down.  

[billsredneck1]

well i'd guess since i'm not as good at copying and pasting stuff, i will just say that i believe his 27-2 season holds or is tied with some kind of record. i also believe his playoff success shares some kind of record. i believe he has a single game performance that shares a long standing record( the 7td one) and i also believe he holds at least one eagles team record.

 

i also see a qb who can deliver several 300 yd. games per season...something we have not seen for a few years(in reg.),

and lastly i see someone who could come here and get us to the playoffs and division contention for the next few years...

and he won't break our cap. 45 yrs. of watching this team...my pov

 

i'm wondering how you can call a qb who is leading his team into the sb...an inconsistent mediocre back up?

9 minutes ago, CritMark said:

 

The problem is the team knows what they have with Foles, in their system, in their locker room and on their field.  ANY other option doesn't give them that kind of certainty, or as much as you can ever get in the NFL.  I don't see them dealing him until late in the season, if at all.  Certainly not in this off season.

 

do you think for what he's getting paid...and let's say he wins the sb....that he does not deserve to be able to possibly double his salary and have a chance to start for another team?  would the eagles pay 2 guys starting money?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

We're assessing Foles in the thread for what he brings to the table which completely independent from Tyrod.   What makes Foles worth giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick based on what you know of him from your own POV? Tell his strengths that makes you believe he's good.  Standing by. 

 

Its TBD law; any scruitinizing of potential QB options must be met with accusations of said “scrutinizer” wishing to be Tyrods eternal life partner- because what else could it be? ?

Edited February 1, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[CritMark]

6 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

well i'd guess since i'm not as good at copying and pasting stuff, i will just say that i believe his 27-2 season holds or is tied with some kind of record. i also believe his playoff success shares some kind of record. i believe he has a single game performance that shares a long standing record( the 7td one) and i also believe he holds at least one eagles team record.

 

i also see a qb who can deliver several 300 yd. games per season...something we have not seen for a few years(in reg.),

and lastly i see someone who could come here and get us to the playoffs and division contention for the next few years...

and he won't break our cap. 45 yrs. of watching this team...my pov

 

i'm wondering how you can call a qb who is leading his team into the sb...an inconsistent mediocre back up?

do you think for what he's getting paid...and let's say he wins the sb....that he does not deserve to be able to possibly double his salary and have a chance to start for another team?  would the eagles pay 2 guys starting money?

 

Not to sound harsh but what does fair have to do with it?  He is under contract and just because he may deserve a chance does not obligate the team to trade him.  As for paying two guys starting money, they aren't.  Wentz cap for 2018 = $7,275,365 and Foles = $7,600,000.  Tell me what team would not jump at the chance to pay these two guys a combined $15MM?

 

The Eagles problem is if Foles is still on the team in Feb 2019, he becomes a free agent by contract.  They will be forced to deal him at some time, just not for most or all of 2018.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Batman1876 said:

Looks to be in playing shape. 

 

This succesfully made me forget Kirk Cousins 

[26CornerBlitz]

45 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

well i'd guess since i'm not as good at copying and pasting stuff, i will just say that i believe his 27-2 season holds or is tied with some kind of record. i also believe his playoff success shares some kind of record. i believe he has a single game performance that shares a long standing record( the 7td one) and i also believe he holds at least one eagles team record.

 

i also see a qb who can deliver several 300 yd. games per season...something we have not seen for a few years(in reg.),

and lastly i see someone who could come here and get us to the playoffs and division contention for the next few years...

and he won't break our cap. 45 yrs. of watching this team...my pov

 

i'm wondering how you can call a qb who is leading his team into the sb...an inconsistent mediocre back up?

do you think for what he's getting paid...and let's say he wins the sb....that he does not deserve to be able to possibly double his salary and have a chance to start for another team?  would the eagles pay 2 guys starting money?

 

 This isn't a breakdown of any strengths or weaknesses that he has such as his ability to throw with timing, anticipation, and accuracy. How is he under pressure, what offense is best to suit his skill set, does he manipulate coverage, etc.  The reason why you offered none of this is because you don't know. You instead offered what his TD/INT ration was many years ago and what he did in a single game along with other stats that anyone could look up that don't reveal anything.  

[Foreigner]

Who we want, and who we can get to come here are two different stories.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, CritMark said:

 

The problem is the team knows what they have with Foles, in their system, in their locker room and on their field.  ANY other option doesn't give them that kind of certainty, or as much as you can ever get in the NFL.  I don't see them dealing him until late in the season, if at all.  Certainly not in this off season.

 

 

 

...good call.......length and prognosis for Wentz recovery are huge questions with no answers yet...............

[berg1029]

2 hours ago, wagon127 said:

I get it, he is in the superbowl. But he has started in 5 games this year, he really was only impressive in the Vikings game. He put up good numbers against the Giants, but then again, so did a lot of people. The other 3 games left a lot to be desired.

 

Honestly, I disagree with this.  Did you see the Falcons game?  He played great.  If the Bills got that level of play from their QB we might still be in it (or at least have made it past Jville).  The game vs. the raiders would actually appear to be the anomaly (but he didn't have to do much that game anyways).  He played one quarter vs. the cowboys

 

I wouldn't be angry if they got Foles regardless of how he does in the Superbowl, assuming the price is right.  I'm willing to write off St. Louis with Fisher. You saw how Goff appeared post Fisher!

[Wayne Arnold]

3 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

Let's go get us the Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles (or at least that is my prediction.) 

 

He was really good in Philly under Kelly, and if Fisher hadn't ruined the kid, he probably would have been a Super Star. I would def take a chance on him. Trade Philly like a second round or third round pick after the Super Bowl and see how the kid competes in training camp. 

 

Stop.

[Jerome007]

Can someone fill me in on why Foles was benched/traded after his amazing season in Phily as the starter? His stats, espcially the TD/int ratios were among the top QBs yet he is seen as a mere backup.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

Let's go get us the Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles (or at least that is my prediction.) 

 

He was really good in Philly under Kelly, and if Fisher hadn't ruined the kid, he probably would have been a Super Star. I would def take a chance on him. Trade Philly like a second round or third round pick after the Super Bowl and see how the kid competes in training camp. 

 

If the Iggles are smart (and they've shown themselves to be recently), they will hang on to Foles at least until they know that Wentz is 100% back from his ACL - at least through training camp and preseason.  Odds are very good that some contender's starting QB will get injured (or their rookie will prove not quite ready to play) and they will be offered a sweet deal just before the season, as they were for Bradford.

 

It is possible that hurrying back from what can be a 12 month recovery, contributed to Bradford's second ACL and lost season.

[Lfod]

In the end it doesn't matter how I feel because the Bills are gonna do what they want. Will it make you feel better if people quit advocating for Kirk?

 

I'll take any QB if it means I won't see the offense tripping over itself all season.

Edited February 2, 2018 by Lfod

[FearLess Price]

5 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I made the duck blue because I’ve never seen a blue duck before and I wanted to see a blue duck.

 

Dillbert reference. Nice.

 

 

 

[Watkins90]

On 2/1/2018 at 1:33 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I would not sacrifice any draft capital for an inconsistent mediocre bridge QB.

How do we know he is mediocre. He thrived in Philly and was then ruined by Jeff Fisher. He went to KC as a backup for a year, and learning from Andy Reed has seemed to resurrect his career. It took him a little bit to get going when Carson went down, but that is too be expected when you aren't really getting reps in practice. If Carson Wentz wasn't some MVP candidate player who was super young and showed a lot of promise, he probably wouldn't be getting his job back if Foles wins tomorrow. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

How do we know he is mediocre. He thrived in Philly and was then ruined by Jeff Fisher. He went to KC as a backup for a year, and learning from Andy Reed has seemed to resurrect his career. It took him a little bit to get going when Carson went down, but that is too be expected when you aren't really getting reps in practice. If Carson Wentz wasn't some MVP candidate player who was super young and showed a lot of promise, he probably wouldn't be getting his job back if Foles wins tomorrow. 

 

...thought I read that he was seriously contemplating retirement at one point......so maybe he is satisfied with his career being resurrected in Philly with Pederson & Reich.......due to make $7.6 mil in 2018 and perhaps that suits him fine......Philly would be crazy to let him go since Wentz injury was ACL/LCL and who knows the timetable for 100% status....

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/1/2018 at 11:44 AM, billspro said:

If he outplays Brady on the biggest stage I would be on board. That is what you look for is a guy that can win a championship game.

Exactly.  If he wins tomorrow there will be a whole lot of people whistling a different tune. And it will probably take a lot more than a 2nd to get him. I'm not implying he's some top 10 qb but he's better than whatever will be leftover from these FA's. TT will be jettisoned.  Cousins and Smith gone. Bradford, Bridgewater, McCarron, Kapernick?

[26CornerBlitz]

55 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

How do we know he is mediocre. He thrived in Philly and was then ruined by Jeff Fisher. He went to KC as a backup for a year, and learning from Andy Reed has seemed to resurrect his career. It took him a little bit to get going when Carson went down, but that is too be expected when you aren't really getting reps in practice. If Carson Wentz wasn't some MVP candidate player who was super young and showed a lot of promise, he probably wouldn't be getting his job back if Foles wins tomorrow. 

 

I know from watching him play and that includes this season save the last game against Minnesota. 

[CuddyDark]

Cousins is already saying he wants to play for the Viks.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

25 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Cousins is already saying he wants to play for the Viks.

 

....good find bud.............

 

by USA Today Sports

The Minnesota Vikings are Kirk Cousins’ top choice in free agency if they’re able to offer him the money he’s looking for, according to a report.

The Redskins trading for Alex Smith earlier this week signaled the end of the Cousins era in Washington. Cousins is likely to be highly sought after by teams desperate to upgrade at quarterback. The Broncos, Jaguars, and Browns could be among the teams bidding for Cousins’ services.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Cousins to Vikes that would hopefully spring all 3 of the vikes qb elsewhere

 

then we’d have

keenum, Bradford, Bridgewater, Taylor available

and

jets, Broncos,, cardinals able to swoop them up.

 

anything that puts as many starters on other teams looking for QBs so it makes more of the rookies avialbe to Buffalo.

[26CornerBlitz]

29 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Cousins is already saying he wants to play for the Viks.

 

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....good find bud.............

 

by USA Today Sports

The Minnesota Vikings are Kirk Cousins’ top choice in free agency if they’re able to offer him the money he’s looking for, according to a report.

The Redskins trading for Alex Smith earlier this week signaled the end of the Cousins era in Washington. Cousins is likely to be highly sought after by teams desperate to upgrade at quarterback. The Broncos, Jaguars, and Browns could be among the teams bidding for Cousins’ services.

 

It would be a great situation for him if winning is histop priority. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

Cousins is already saying he wants to play for the Viks.

 

48 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....good find bud.............

 

by USA Today Sports

The Minnesota Vikings are Kirk Cousins’ top choice in free agency if they’re able to offer him the money he’s looking for, according to a report.

The Redskins trading for Alex Smith earlier this week signaled the end of the Cousins era in Washington. Cousins is likely to be highly sought after by teams desperate to upgrade at quarterback. The Broncos, Jaguars, and Browns could be among the teams bidding for Cousins’ services.

From what I read the Vikes don’t have the cap space either. But what does the internet know.  

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

From what I read the Vikes don’t have the cap space either. But what does the internet know.  

 

Vikes got 56 million in cap.

All 3 of their QBs are UFAs.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

We trade for Foles we got to run a spread college offense for him.  The Eagles vs Vikings gm they ran a ton of RPOs and easy 1 read schemes.  Foles starts to look mediocre the more u give him.  I see Mason Rudolph being basically the same QB but with even less production. 

[MAJBobby]

On 2/1/2018 at 1:16 PM, Watkins90 said:

Let's go get us the Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles (or at least that is my prediction.) 

 

He was really good in Philly under Kelly, and if Fisher hadn't ruined the kid, he probably would have been a Super Star. I would def take a chance on him. Trade Philly like a second round or third round pick after the Super Bowl and see how the kid competes in training camp. 

 

Why do so many Bills fans Hate good QB play

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

58 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Vikes got 56 million in cap.

All 3 of their QBs are UFAs.

See.  You can’t trust the internet.  

 

Thanks 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Why do so many Bills fans Hate good QB play

 

We haven't seen one in a generation.......................forgot what a good QB looks like in a Bills uniform!

[SoTier]

On 2/1/2018 at 2:33 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I would not sacrifice any draft capital for an inconsistent mediocre bridge QB.

 

Calling Foles a "bridge QB" pre-supposes he's actually good enough to be a regular starting QB, which he hasn't demonstrated that he can be since his sophomore season.

[BillsFan4]

On 2/1/2018 at 2:59 PM, Jay_Fixit said:

I made the duck blue because I’ve never seen a blue duck before and I wanted to see a blue duck.

 

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Cousins to Vikes that would hopefully spring all 3 of the vikes qb elsewhere

 

then we’d have

keenum, Bradford, Bridgewater, Taylor available

and

jets, Broncos,, cardinals able to swoop them up.

 

anything that puts as many starters on other teams looking for QBs so it makes more of the rookies avialbe to Buffalo.

That would be Mike Glennon x 4.

Those guys are all bridge QB's and the teams that sign them very well could still draft a QB high like Bears did last year.

[TigerJ]

I'm not sure what Cousins is going to cost, but I'm pretty sure it will be a lot.  Foles is an interesting possibility to me.  I'm not sure he'll be available, but I'm not going to write him off yet.  Apparently, Phillie has a young QB prospect in Nate Sudfeld whose upside they really like.  The question is will he be ready to be the back up next year.  Only the Eagles can make that determination.  Obviously, a lot of things need to happen for Foles to end up in Buffalo, but it's too soon to rule it out.

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[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/3/2018 at 6:16 PM, TigerJ said:

I'm not sure what Cousins is going to cost, but I'm pretty sure it will be a lot.  Foles is an interesting possibility to me.  I'm not sure he'll be available, but I'm not going to write him off yet.  Apparently, Phillie has a young QB prospect in Nate Sudfeld whose upside they really like.  The question is will he be ready to be the back up next year.  Only the Eagles can make that determination.  Obviously, a lot of things need to happen for Foles to end up in Buffalo, but it's too soon to rule it out.

 

5 years

$180M

most of it guaranteed

I feel sorry for the team stuck with him and that ridiculous contract. If it's the Jest I'll laugh.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

5 years

$180M

most of it guaranteed

I feel sorry for the team stuck with him and that ridiculous contract. If it's the Jest I'll laugh.

 

No way is it that much.  I'd be surprised if he got 5 years and $150M. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/1/2018 at 5:44 PM, Jerome007 said:

Can someone fill me in on why Foles was benched/traded after his amazing season in Phily as the starter? His stats, espcially the TD/int ratios were among the top QBs yet he is seen as a mere backup.

 

I can fill you in a bit.

First off, Foles wasn't benched.  He broke his collarbone and went out for the rest of the season in 2014.

 

Short answer, after Foles went down, Sanchez more-or-less played "as well" statistically to finish out the season, so Kelly decided he needed an upgrade at QB for the Eagles to take the next step.  He thought that Bradford, who is an excellent passer and pocket QB, would be that upgrade.  Bradford was not, resulting in Kelly being shipped out instead.

 

Long answer, in 2013 Foles really wasn't "all that and a bag of chips".  His TD and his INT were amazing, but he was only passing for about 220 YPG, and that was the result of some games where he passed for >400 yards, and others where he passed for <200 - one game only 80 yds and got pulled for Matt Barkley.  The gouge on Foles was that he was great when you gave him time, but he would leave plays on the field, and under pressure he would flush out of the pocket instead of stepping into his throwing lanes.  They wanted to see improvement in 2014, and actually they did - more >300 yd games, fewer games <200, average of 270 YPG.  But they also shipped Foles favorite WR out of town - and while he actually got some pretty good WR to replace them, he wasn't as "in sync" which meant more interceptions.

 

I think Philly would have been better off in 2015 if they kept Foles and worked more to develop him, but Kelly wasn't the patient type, so off Foles went (along with LeSean McCoy and some other good players).  Foles got shipped out to purgatory (St Louis Rams) where his play outright sucked, and that completed the view on him as "not good enough".  In hindsight, when you have two "sucked in St Louis" QB facing off in the NFC Championship and taking out QB like Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, I think it's pretty clear that the QB weren't the problem there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Short answer, after Foles went down, Sanchez more-or-less played "as well" statistically to finish out the season, s

You said Sanchez. 

 

 

Sorry it it was a funny ? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

You said Sanchez. 

Sorry it it was a funny ? 

 

Does anyone else wonder what Rex's tattoo looks like now?

[billsredneck1]

i'm probably going against the grain here, but i think guys likes foles and a.j, may be more focused on being in a winning situation than trying to be the highest paid qb ever. brady is the best qb of all time but he doesn't demand to be no. one in terms of money. i also feel cousins may be of the same mold. the best place for his family....the best  place for him to thrive...the best place for him to make his mark/legacy.

 

everyone assumes these guys are all about greed, but i still believe in some guys having values....and with our fo, just maybe one of those guys feel they want to take buffalo and it's fans to the promised land. something good is about to happen. i believe.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can fill you in a bit.

First off, Foles wasn't benched.  He broke his collarbone and went out for the rest of the season in 2014.

 

Short answer, after Foles went down, Sanchez more-or-less played "as well" statistically to finish out the season, so Kelly decided he needed an upgrade at QB for the Eagles to take the next step.  He thought that Bradford, who is an excellent passer and pocket QB, would be that upgrade.  Bradford was not, resulting in Kelly being shipped out instead.

 

Long answer, in 2013 Foles really wasn't "all that and a bag of chips".  His TD and his INT were amazing, but he was only passing for about 220 YPG, and that was the result of some games where he passed for >400 yards, and others where he passed for <200 - one game only 80 yds and got pulled for Matt Barkley.  The gouge on Foles was that he was great when you gave him time, but he would leave plays on the field, and under pressure he would flush out of the pocket instead of stepping into his throwing lanes.  They wanted to see improvement in 2014, and actually they did - more >300 yd games, fewer games <200, average of 270 YPG.  But they also shipped Foles favorite WR out of town - and while he actually got some pretty good WR to replace them, he wasn't as "in sync" which meant more interceptions.

 

I think Philly would have been better off in 2015 if they kept Foles and worked more to develop him, but Kelly wasn't the patient type, so off Foles went (along with LeSean McCoy and some other good players).  Foles got shipped out to purgatory (St Louis Rams) where his play outright sucked, and that completed the view on him as "not good enough".  In hindsight, when you have two "sucked in St Louis" QB facing off in the NFC Championship and taking out QB like Drew Brees and Matt Ryan, I think it's pretty clear that the QB weren't the problem there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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