With the 21st and 22nd pick the BuffaloBills Select....

[JohnBonhamRocks]

On 1/9/2018 at 8:40 PM, thebandit27 said:

 

They have plenty of cap room to address needs.

 

 They can sign a corner (Gaines or otherwise), a DT (i.e. Justin Ellis), and a speed WR (I like Brice Butler or Paul Richardson)--all in the Hyde/Poyer mold of undervalued player--and still have room to sign their treasure trove of draft picks with space to spare.

 

If you can't come away from the draft with a QB, pass rusher, and MLB with the number of picks that Buffalo has, then hang 'em up. 

 

You fill in the rest (backup RB, backup QB, etc) with low-end FAs and UDFAs.

 

It certainly will be interesting to see how many holes they can fill with that cap room, especially with the balanced value signing approach. I hope we retain Gaines. Richardson would be interesting, especially if we cut ties with Dennison and make a run at Bevell. 

[sjjr]

Probably won't have the future franchise QBs available at 21/22 so looking at guys like Vea, M.Davenport(DE) or J.Jackson (CB).  Maybe can trade down, get more picks and look at guys like J.Jewell (MLB) or T.Crosby (OL) in the 2nd round.  Sony Michel looked good in the college football playoff and would be a nice pick in round 2 or 3 maybe.

[turftoe]

On 1/7/2018 at 8:24 PM, /dev/null said:

Bottom half of the top 10 is picks 6-10 which includes pick #7.  My math is correct, but how is your reading comprehension?

Now I see why it was my lowest score on the SAT. Dang.

[ndirish1978]

On 1/9/2018 at 5:19 PM, thebandit27 said:

 

That's very outdated thinking 

 

It is literally illegal (per the CBA) to give Dawkins a new deal prior to the completion of his 3rd accrued season, so even if you got rid of Glenn and brought in someone at 1/3 of his price, you're still paying your RT far more than your LT.

 

Me? I'd prefer to have he best set of tackles that I can. Having them at a total cap hit of $15M is fine by me.

 

It's not. It just messes up your point. We HAVE a LT in Dawkins, we will not be keeping our old LT unless he restructures his contract. 

[thebandit27]

14 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

It's not. It just messes up your point. We HAVE a LT in Dawkins, we will not be keeping our old LT unless he restructures his contract. 

 

Yes, it is.

 

The Eagles (the #1 seed in the NFC), had a LT in Jason Peters, but they had zero compunction with paying RT Lane Johnson $11.5M per year.

 

The point isn't to have the cheapest set of OTs you can get by with; it's to have the best team that you can field.

 

The plan coming into 2017 was to move forward with Dawkins and Glenn at OT under their current contracts; this should still be the plan. 

 

Dawkins--per the CBA--cannot get a new deal for another 2 years, so what is the rush to jettison Glenn in favor of who-knows-what?

 

Move him to RT, where he'll happily play for his LT salary, and focus on improving other parts of the team.

 

To do anything else is taking yet another step back on a unit that is already in search of a new RG and RT (if you get rid of Glenn) and has players with one foot out the door at C and LG.

[OldTimer1960]

On 1/9/2018 at 2:15 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

That's $14 million for a RT. Higher by any other starting RT by $3 million. 

But if Dawkins is playing LT, he is cheap for a starting LT

[thebandit27]

15 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

But if Dawkins is playing LT, he is cheap for a starting LT

 

Exactly.

 

 The team went into 2017 planning to have a pair of tackles that cost ~$15-16M AAV against the cap.

 

That's precisely what they'd have if they keep the EXACT same tandem.

 

getting hung up on which side of the line they play is, IMO, missing the forest for the trees 

[xRUSHx]

On 1/7/2018 at 4:30 PM, Rico said:

#21 Baker Mayfield

#22 Josh Allen

#21 Mayfield

#22 Rudolph

[OldTimer1960]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Exactly.

 

 The team went into 2017 planning to have a pair of tackles that cost ~$15-16M AAV against the cap.

 

That's precisely what they'd have if they keep the EXACT same tandem.

 

getting hung up on which side of the line they play is, IMO, missing the forest for the trees 

I am with you - Glenn can be a dominating run blocker and is a good pass blocker, if healthy.  If he is healthy, the OL would be MUCH better with him than without him.

[papazoid]

Beane already tipped his hand.....cordy is gone....only a matter of when

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Gotta remember that, while we can have a good set of OTs for ~$15-16 million, we can also go with Dawkins and another solid RT who does not have injury concerns for way less $. 

[bkep32]

On 1/7/2018 at 3:45 PM, ROCBillsBeliever said:

21 - Bryce Love III - RB - Stanford

22 - Vita Vea - DT - Washington

 

Package both 2nd rounders to move up and snag best QB available in late 1st / early 2nd.  

love is staying in college

2 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

#21 Mayfield

#22 Rudolph

why are we all in love with mayfield...just another johnny manz

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

Beane already tipped his hand.....cordy is gone....only a matter of when

 

Could be a bargaining chip for a draft trade so Beane doesn't have to give up more picks than he wants to move up...

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Gotta remember that, while we can have a good set of OTs for ~$15-16 million, we can also go with Dawkins and another solid RT who does not have injury concerns for way less $. 

 

Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here?

 

Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons 

 

We're talking about a bird in the hand here

Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27

[bkep32]

21st - tremaine edwards - LB Virg Tech

22nd - DaRon Payne - DT Bama

[ndirish1978]

Sounds nice, but ALL evidence coming out through the rumor mill indicates that they are trying to shed the 2nd largest cap hit on the team. Glenn has a bad foot, they can't count on him. Your premise is based on the assumption he gets better and it doesn't seem like they think he will.

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Sounds nice, but ALL evidence coming out through the rumor mill indicates that they are trying to shed the 2nd largest cap hit on the team. Glenn has a bad foot, they can't count on him. Your premise is based on the assumption he gets better and it doesn't seem like they think he will.

 

Actually, there's zero evidence of what you're claiming aside from a report that Seattle inquired about Glenn but Buffalo wanted too much.

 

There's also no evidence that he won't heal and return to form; bigger guys that were more advanced in age have come back from more

serious injuries.

 

Regardless, the discussion was centered around what they SHOULD do. Making the team worse by creating a new hole at a position they've been unable to fill for years isn't something that the team should do.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here?

 

Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons 

 

We're talking about a bird in the hand here

 

It all depends on the medicals. If he checks out, then sure he is a good option. 

 

However, a value FA, such as Cornelius Lucas, might do the job. There are a few mid-round OTs, such as Nevada's Austin Corbett, that could work, too. 

 

It would be a downgrade in talent. No doubt. I just think it might be worth it to get a more available and durable RT who would cost far less and allow the teams to fill even more positions of need in FA. 

[thebandit27]

6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

It all depends on the medicals. If he checks out, then sure he is a good option. 

 

However, a value FA, such as Cornelius Lucas, might do the job. There are a few mid-round OTs, such as Nevada's Austin Corbett, that could work, too. 

 

It would be a downgrade in talent. No doubt. I just think it might be worth it to get a more available and durable RT who would cost far less and allow the teams to fill even more positions of need in FA. 

 

The problem is that you're talking about "coulds" and "maybes" that we have no guarantee of getting, versus Glenn, who is proven and a definite to be here if they want him.

 

I find it surprisingly odd that you'd be willing to part with Glenn for a guy like Lucas--who has a total of 7 career starts.

 

The whole discussion is especially strange to me given that the team will have nearly $60M in cap space--they don't need to get rid of Glenn.

Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

The problem is that you're talking about "coulds" and "maybes" that we have no guarantee of getting, versus Glenn, who is proven and a definite to be here if they want him.

 

I find it surprisingly odd that you'd be willing to part with Glenn for a guy like Lucas--who has a total of 7 career starts.

 

The whole discussion is especially strange to me given that the team will have nearly $60M in cap space--they don't need to get rid of Glenn.

 

So Glenn will fully recover from the injury, be happy with being moved to RT, and successfully make that transition? Or he could do all that?

 

I'm willing to part with a guy who has a considerable injury history and would be vastly overpaid to play RT. 

 

Where are you getting $60 million in cap space? I've only seen a little over $30 million. 

(https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/) - $32,578,305

(http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/) - $31,336,937

 

They don't need to get rid of Glenn, but they do need a QB, HB2, DTs, LBs, and possibly a WR, OG, DE, and CB.  

[Foxx]

On 1/7/2018 at 4:48 PM, TigerJ said:

...  Buffalo needs to get a veteran QB if they can, and draft one too.  If they can trade Tyrod, great.  I don't know if Peterman will develop or not.  Right now it looks to me as if he doesn't respect the skills of NFL defensive backs enough, and tries to throw into windows that are too small sometimes.  I think that can probagbly be corrected with coaching, but I don't know.

we have extremes with both players. the former being too afraid to throw into tight windows. the latter not afraid to throw into too tight windows. being the former is a 7 year vet, he will not change. the latter is a rook so the possibility that he may learn and adapt is still present. 

 

as you say, hopefully we can trade Tyrod in some capacity, hell even a 6th rounder is preferable to just outright releasing him. i would be all for signing a descent vet such as Smith which should be able to be had for a 2nd and maybe less if we trade multiple picks. then i would use one of our 1st's to draft a qb as long as whoever is there is thought to have potential at the pro-level. i would even trade up a few spots to get a guy we wanted as long as we didn't have to trade to far up which would thereby cost us more in draft stock than i would prefer.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

So Glenn will fully recover from the injury, be happy with being moved to RT, and successfully make that transition? Or he could do all that?

 

I'm willing to part with a guy who has a considerable injury history and would be vastly overpaid to play RT. 

 

Where are you getting $60 million in cap space? I've only seen a little over $30 million. 

(https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/) - $32,578,305

(http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/) - $31,336,937

 

They don't need to get rid of Glenn, but they do need a QB, HB2, DTs, LBs, and possibly a WR, OG, DE, and CB.  

 

Well, I do think Glenn is likely to recover, but let me summarize it this way:

 

I think that the likelihood of Glenn recovering and being fine playing RT for LT money is far greater than the team getting good trade value for Glenn and subsequently finding his replacement in an inexpensive player.

 

As for $60M, Spotrac currently says $30M, but that's assuming that the cap doesn't increase from 2017. It most certainly will, to a likely $175M+, so without any movement you're at $40M.

 

Tyrod's release puts them at $50M, and I'm assuming guys like Ducasse and Hughes will be gone.

 

So maybe $60M is a slight exaggeration, but only slight.

 

Of course, if they part ways with either Richie or Mills, then they could actually have more than $60M in space with Glenn on the roster.

Edited January 20, 2018 by thebandit27

[mileena]

On 1/7/2018 at 1:48 PM, NewDayBills said:

I'd take Mason Rudolph with the 1st pick, with the other 1st I'd trade down and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd, then I'd send Kansas City one of our 2nds for Alex Smith that's contingent on a contract extension being signed, something like 4 years 72 million for Smith, sit Rudolph on the bench until Smith retires.

 

1.) Mason Rudolph

1.) Trade

2.) To KC for Alex Smith

2.) Extra pick

2.) Extra pick

3.) Extra pick

3.) Extra pick

 

 

 

I have not read all the posts, so I trust others have flamed you. It will only take a 2nd to get Smith. No way any team offers a 1st, even if desperate for a QB. KC has no choice. Take the 2nd or let him walk in a year.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Best case scenario 

#21- Roqun Smith MLB

#22- Vita Vea DT

 

2nd rd

#53 - Christian Kirk WR

#56- Sony Michel RB

 

Also make a couple trades or signing before draft.

Trade for Alex Smith  or sign Cousins for QB.

I hear Robert Quinn might be cut i say trade a late pk for him.  

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers

[NewEraBills]

7 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Best case scenario 

#21- Roqun Smith MLB

#22- Vita Vea DT

 

2nd rd

#53 - Christian Kirk WR

#56- Sony Michel RB

 

Also make a couple trades or signing before draft.

Trade for Alex Smith  or sign Cousins for QB.

I hear Robert Quinn might be cut i say trade a late pk for him.  

 

 

 

Not sure why people think Roquan Smith will be around at 21.  He won't; unless there are red flags all over the place.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

He can be there if not take Rashaan Evans from Bama instead.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Who is this other tackle that is not only solid, but both inexpensive and a guarantee to come here?

 

Because Glenn is young, very good, and under contract for multiple seasons 

 

We're talking about a bird in the hand here

 

 

...agree....what's the rush if he comes back healthy post surgery?......is it that critical if you switch him to the right side and he's > average RT pay?......isn't the left side cheaper with Dawkins so that LT/RT expenditure balances out?.....maybe you get a couple of extra years without him having to be on the blind side.............

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Whoever the Bills end up taking i hope its best player available.  Not best need available.  

 

Teams that draft the best take the best players. Teams that draft for need usually end up needing more. 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, mileena said:

 

I have not read all the posts, so I trust others have flamed you. It will only take a 2nd to get Smith. No way any team offers a 1st, even if desperate for a QB. KC has no choice. Take the 2nd or let him walk in a year.

Where did I say we should give a 1st for Smith?

 

I said draft Mason Rudolph with #1. Take the other #1 and TRADE DOWN. Then we would have 3 #2s and 2 #3s. Send one of the three 2nds for Alex Smith.

[Alphadawg7]

#21 - Rashaan Evans - LB

#22 - Mike McGlinchey - OT

 

Bills then trade:  2nd round pick (#53) and 3rd round pick (#95) to Eagles or Minnesota for their first round pick #29.  

 

#29 - Lamar Jackson - QB

Edited January 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[JohnBonhamRocks]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, I do think Glenn is likely to recover, but let me summarize it this way:

 

I think that the likelihood of Glenn recovering and being fine playing RT for LT money is far greater than the team getting good trade value for Glenn and subsequently finding his replacement in an inexpensive player.

 

As for $60M, Spotrac currently says $30M, but that's assuming that the cap doesn't increase from 2017. It most certainly will, to a likely $175M+, so without any movement you're at $40M.

 

Tyrod's release puts them at $50M, and I'm assuming guys like Ducasse and Hughes will be gone.

 

So maybe $60M is a slight exaggeration, but only slight.

 

Of course, if they part ways with either Richie or Mills, then they could actually have more than $60M in space with Glenn on the roster.

 

I guess I just think between FA and draft, we could find a RT for cheaper than $14 million.

 

Sign Chris Hubbard from PIT

- http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/2017-postseason-bye-evaluation-break-ol-chris-hubbard/ 

- http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/chris-hubbard-saved-ol-yet-sunday-loss/ 

- http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13133264-74/chris-hubbard-plays-fourth-position-of-the-season-for-steelers-on-sunday

- https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/chris-hubbard/8051

 

Sign Austin Pasztor from ATL

- http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Falcons-sign-former-Cleveland-Browns-tackle-Austin-Pasztor-waive-OL-Marquis-Lucas/735e679c-ce60-403a-b56b-96cddc87587d

- https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/What-is-the-free-agency-value-of-Austin-Pasztor-51408705

- https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Bleacher-Report-says-Broncos-should-sign-OL-Austin-Pasztor-52057041

- https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/12/14593472/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-ol-austin-pasztor

 

Sign Cornelius Lucas from LAR, like I mentioned. 

- https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/cornelius-lucas-restricted-free-agent/98947678/

- http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/lions-tender-restricted-free-agent-cornelius-lucas/98948480/

 

All for less than $14 million. 

 

Draft Toby Weathersby from LSU, Jamarco Jones from Ohio State, or Bentley Spain from North Carolina

 

Draft Brandon Parker from North Carolina A&T

- http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

- http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=24500&ATCLID=211691805

 

Draft Austin Corbett from Nevada, like I mentioned

- http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

-https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/1/18/16907028/mel-kiper-giants-have-several-mid-to-late-round-options-to-help-offensive-line

http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/11/29/malik-reed-austin-corbett-lead-wolf-packs-four-all-mountain-west-honorees/905772001/

 

Tell me there aren't options cheaper than Glenn. 

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I guess I just think between FA and draft, we could find a RT for cheaper than $14 million.

 

Sign Chris Hubbard from PIT

- http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/2017-postseason-bye-evaluation-break-ol-chris-hubbard/ 

- http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/01/chris-hubbard-saved-ol-yet-sunday-loss/ 

- http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13133264-74/chris-hubbard-plays-fourth-position-of-the-season-for-steelers-on-sunday

- https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/chris-hubbard/8051

 

Sign Austin Pasztor from ATL

- http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Falcons-sign-former-Cleveland-Browns-tackle-Austin-Pasztor-waive-OL-Marquis-Lucas/735e679c-ce60-403a-b56b-96cddc87587d

- https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/What-is-the-free-agency-value-of-Austin-Pasztor-51408705

- https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Bleacher-Report-says-Broncos-should-sign-OL-Austin-Pasztor-52057041

- https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/12/14593472/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-ol-austin-pasztor

 

Sign Cornelius Lucas from LAR, like I mentioned. 

- https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/cornelius-lucas-restricted-free-agent/98947678/

- http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/03/09/lions-tender-restricted-free-agent-cornelius-lucas/98948480/

 

All for less than $14 million. 

 

Draft Toby Weathersby from LSU, Jamarco Jones from Ohio State, or Bentley Spain from North Carolina

 

Draft Brandon Parker from North Carolina A&T

- http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

- http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=24500&ATCLID=211691805

 

Draft Austin Corbett from Nevada, like I mentioned

- http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

-https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/1/18/16907028/mel-kiper-giants-have-several-mid-to-late-round-options-to-help-offensive-line

http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/11/29/malik-reed-austin-corbett-lead-wolf-packs-four-all-mountain-west-honorees/905772001/

 

Tell me there aren't options cheaper than Glenn. 

 

I'm. Not. Looking. For. Cheaper.

 

I have said repeatedly that I am more interested in having the best pair of tackles that I can have, because cap space is not a concern for this team.

 

"We might be able to do almost as well for less money" isn't a good reason to get rid of Glenn for what's almost certain to be a below-market return.

 

And although I've said that Hubbard would be a decent FA option (at guard; he's better suited inside IMO), he's not in Glenn's ballpark as a player.

 

I think I've said my piece on this one.

 

Enjoy the games today!

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'm. Not. Looking. For. Cheaper.

 

I have said repeatedly that I am more interested in having the best pair of tackles that I can have, because cap space is not a concern for this team.

 

"We might be able to do almost as well for less money" isn't a good reason to get rid of Glenn for what's almost certain to be a below-market return.

 

And although I've said that Hubbard would be a decent FA option (at guard; he's better suited inside IMO), he's not in Glenn's ballpark as a player.

 

I think I've said my piece on this one.

 

Enjoy the games today!

 

We just disagree then.

 

I see cap space as very important for a team with questions at pretty much every position, especially if we end up having to package a lot of our extra picks to move up for a QB, which I think could happen and would keep us from filling more roster holes. 

 

I'd rather have an average RT for average RT starting money ($5-7 million), probably get a pick for Glenn, and save that extra $7-9 million for another starter or few depth players.

 

Alternatively, a starting RT may be found in round 3 or 4. 

 

You are as certain that the OT we could bring in would be "below-market return" as I am that Glenn's injuries will continue to prevent him from playing - we both don't know. Glenn would be below market return if he was not clearly the best RT in the NFL and healthy all year because no starting RT is making more than an average of $8 million per year. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

We just disagree then.

 

I see cap space as very important for a team with questions at pretty much every position, especially if we end up having to package a lot of our extra picks to move up for a QB, which I think could happen and would keep us from filling more roster holes. 

 

I'd rather have an average RT for average RT starting money ($5-7 million), probably get a pick for Glenn, and save that extra $7-9 million for another starter or few depth players.

 

Alternatively, a starting RT may be found in round 3 or 4. 

 

You are as certain that the OT we could bring in would be "below-market return" as I am that Glenn's injuries will continue to prevent him from playing - we both don't know. Glenn would be below market return if he was not clearly the best RT in the NFL and healthy all year because no starting RT is making more than an average of $8 million per year. 

 

Well, the only thing I can add here is that there are indeed RTs making more than $8M AAV.

 

According to Spotrac, Lane Johnson is getting $11.25M and Ricky Wagner $9.5M.

 

Also, there's some duality in that final thought: if you feel confident that Glenn won't heal, how can you expect to get a market-level return?

 

Anyway, we're likely to just keep going round and round on this, so in the interest of not thread jacking any worse than I already have I'll bow out

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, the only thing I can add here is that there are indeed RTs making more than $8M AAV.

 

According to Spotrac, Lane Johnson is getting $11.25M and Ricky Wagner $9.5M.

 

Also, there's some duality in that final thought: if you feel confident that Glenn won't heal, how can you expect to get a market-level return?

 

Anyway, we're likely to just keep going round and round on this, so in the interest of not thread jacking any worse than I already have I'll bow out

 

Apologies, I had scrolled down and cut off Johnson and Wagner. Still, you'd need Glenn to play as the best RT in the league by a margin of $2.75 million to be worth it. 

 

I'm not saying I'm confident that Glenn won't heal. I'm saying that both the return of a mid-round or FA OT (both cheaper by far) and Glenn's injury are tough to predict. 

 

Still, if Glenn ends up continuing to miss games, then paying him $14 million is going to bad for this team. 

[Pete]

My very early guess- Mason Rudolph and Okoronkwo

[TheBeaneBandit]

How about Glenn comes back nice and healthy,  Dawkins slides over to RT where he was drafted for (with a full off-season of training in that spot), and we have a nice solid tandem of tackles to protect whoever is our QB for a few years? That is what I'm hoping for personally..... 

[swnybillsfan]

On 1/7/2018 at 6:38 PM, Reed83HOF said:

Lots of people still want to build a team and basically ignore QB, that has worked so well in the past...

 

Taking the best QB at your available spot generally = JP Losman 4th best QB talent...

didn't they actually trade up for losman? seems like they missed out on an earlier trade for roethlisburger and ended up jumping back into the first for jp.

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

didn't they actually trade up for losman? seems like they missed out on an earlier trade for roethlisburger and ended up jumping back into the first for jp.

 

Yes they did actually trade up and that cost us Rodgers the next season; they also were not able to complete a trade to move in front of Pitts for Ben

 

At the end of the day we moved up for the 4th best QB in the draft...

[Paul Costa]

1 hour ago, ILoveEndingTheSeasonInNov said:

How about Glenn comes back nice and healthy,  Dawkins slides over to RT where he was drafted for (with a full off-season of training in that spot), and we have a nice solid tandem of tackles to protect whoever is our QB for a few years? That is what I'm hoping for personally..... 

?✅ me Too