Beth Mowins and Jay Feely Calling Dolphins vs. Bills for CBS

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

 

I agree. I find some voices annoying as hell, and that's not dependent on the speaker's gender. I didn't find hers all that bad, but to each his own.

 

I also cringe at certain announcers' pronunciations, like Wilcots (Buffalo Beals), Gannon (Owfense), and Gruden (Nickle Roby).

 

 

Well, someone earlier made that assertion. That chapped my sensibilities.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

13 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Feely wasn't great. He repeats himself a lot and seemed to pick really mundane plays/moments in the game to highlight as crucial or important.

 

Mowins is OK. I'm not a huge fan of her voice but she does a good job. She might work better with a different commentator than Feely.

 

Next week is Nantz and Romo. I quickly grew tired of those two. Nantz used to be tolerable when he had Phil Seems next to him but I suppose anyone sounds good next to Seems. And how he ended up with the main anchor job in the studio is beyond me. Dude constantly trailed off mid-sentence, said incoherent things, said "talked about" 52 times a game, etc. And as for Romo, I got a kick out of his first few games when he was sitting there calling out what the plays were gonna be. His insight as a former QB is fantastic but he gets a little annoying when he tries too hard to make something sound exciting. 

 

I dig Gus Johnson the most, probably. But he's been on Fox since 2011 and Buffalo plays on Fox only once or twice a year.

 

Gus isn't part of any NFL on FOX announcing crew.  He primarily does CFB and CBB.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Gus isn't part of any NFL on FOX announcing crew.  He primarily does CFB and CBB.

 

That's a shame. I loved his NFL calls.

 

"BEHIND THE SECONDARY!!"

 

[phypon]

5 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

 

If I were looking to identify the sensitive sally, or "snowflake" if you prefer, this little fit would seem to identify that person.

Please enlighten us with your superior intellect as to how you came to this conclusion.  Please break down the post you are questioning to support your sentiment.  If you can, please do it line by line.  Thanks!

Edited December 18, 2017 by phypon

[C.Biscuit97]

44 minutes ago, phypon said:

Pffftttt...sorry that people are criticizing a female announcer.  Are you offended?   

Your personal attacks don't make up for what you lack.

 

i really pay little attention to announcers because I watch the game with groups of people.  But post suggesting she might be a man and crap is just embarrassing.  

[Chandler#81]

38 minutes ago, phypon said:

Pffftttt...sorry that people are criticizing a female announcer.  Are you offended?   

 

Ya never know what you’re gonna get with C.Biscuit. Usually, he’s a fine poster and adds much to discussion. However, about 1 week a month, he’s irritable, moody, bitchy and I think maybe he adds a few pounds of water weight.. 

But, Hey! In this open society, everyone’s views are accepted and respected.

[phypon]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Your personal attacks don't make up for what you lack.

 

i really pay little attention to announcers because I watch the game with groups of people.  But post suggesting she might be a man and crap is just embarrassing.  

Personal attacks?  What the hell are you talking about?  Suggesting she might be a man??  Again, what the hell are you talking about?? 

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Her voice came off as nails on a chalk board and neither commentator added anything to the game. In fact some of the things they said frustrated me. I am not a fan of either, looking forward to Romo next week.

[ndirish1978]

5 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Where is the 15 page thread dedicated to Jay Feely? Who kept referring to a Bills zone blocking scheme that the Bills haven't run in the last 6 weeks. 

 

People are on her because she's a woman. Announcers screw up all the time. Hers were about par for the course for the C level announcers, which is exactly what she and her team were. 

 

This is pure white-knighting BS. The thread was at like 5 pages when the game ended, then you all came out of the woodwork to show how you were better than the people complaining and to point out how progressive you are. Mowins was terrible, Feely was terrible. People complained about Solomon Wilcotts here all the time when he called our games, it's part of the inferiority complex people here have about getting the C squads as commentators. People complain about announcers. Get over it. 

[phypon]

1 minute ago, DC Greg said:

 

You're calling other people "snowflakes" and not real men because they disagreed with your assessment that this announcer sucks and/or her voice is annoying. To me, the need to resort to name calling and trying to belittle others in that meltdown of yours shows your own personal sensitivity. So what I'm saying is that in my opinion, you seem like the sensitive, insecure one, or "snowflake" as you described it. Does that make sense? Not sure if I checked the line by line box.

Actually, your post makes perfect sense.  It's not about people disagreeing with me or the other posters in this thread that feel the same way as I do.  It's the sensitive posters or "snowflakes" that felt compelled to trash other posters in this thread for having an opinion and criticism about an announcer that "happens" to be a female and that's the only reason they are attacking other posters and defending the announcer.  

 

The posters that are "belittling" people are the one's that are sensitive to the fact that a female announcer is getting criticized for a poor performance.  

 

As to your opinion about me seeming sensitive and insecure, I'm not insecure, but I am sensitive when it comes to standing up for peoples' rights to have an opinion and not be harassed or shamed for having their own opinion because other's deem it not politically correct.  The announcer is a poor announcer and should not be given a pass based on gender.

 

You used the word meltdown.  I think you have that backwards.

 

2 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

 

Just speaking for myself, I'm here to legitimately offer an opinion, not show how progressive I am. Just because you state things like the bolded as fact doesn't make it so. I don't think she was terrible. Not the best football play by play I've ever heard but certainly not the worst. 

 

You're not here to legitimately offer an opinion, you're here to legitimately argue with other posters.  If you were here to offer your opinion you would have done so without quoting or replying to other posters.   

[ndirish1978]

6 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

 

Just speaking for myself, I'm here to legitimately offer an opinion, not show how progressive I am. Just because you state things like the bolded as fact doesn't make it so. I don't think she was terrible. Not the best football play by play I've ever heard but certainly not the worst. 

 

 

There are plenty of people who came in and offered their opinions. If the thread had stayed on point - everyone stating straight up opinions on the commentary, it would have ended yesterday. The people starting debates in here are the ones drawing it out. You can have an opinion that Beth was not good and not be a mysoginist. I get tired of people running in to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant when I wrote things. I found her voice annoying and I found her Bills knowledge lacking. There was no chemistry between the two and most of the attempts at lighthearted humor were awkward. Her pal came in here trying to equate her effort with her skill and I took issue with that logical fallacy. Where did I state that my personal opinion is law? 

Edited December 18, 2017 by ndirish1978

[BillsFan130]

54 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

According to Beth multiple times during the game. McCoy was also playing QB. 

Lol. She once said something like..." McCoy gets out of pressure, throws it downfield and completes it to McCoy"... Lol

[26CornerBlitz]

Does anyone get upset when former Buffalo Bill great Steve Tasker gets negatively critiqued?  By any objective measure, he's awful.

[phypon]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

Does anyone get upset when former Buffalo Bill great Steve Tasker gets negatively critiqued?  By any objective measure, he's awful.

For the most part I think he's okay.  And no, I'm not upset that you don't like him as an announcer.  I do think he tries too hard to not be a "homer" at times and that's annoying.  

 

But...HOW DARE YOU criticize him!  I'm calling misandry on you!  So not cool and so not PC...err...wait, that is PC...

 

I keed, I keed 

[phypon]

2 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

 

Last post for me because I have other things to do. I completely agree with the bolded and never said that about anyone. Only personal thing I said about anyone was that the guy who thinks he's more of a man than other people and resorted to name calling because he's in the "Mowins sucks" camp is a joke. I disagree that her Bills knowledge was lacking compared to some of the other bad announcers that call our games and offered some reasons that I thought so. I don't know why you're putting an arbitrary expiration date on when something can be discussed. This popped up today, and people decided to weigh in. So what? I don't see the problem with a debate. 

 

You said "Mowins was terrible". My contention is that you're presenting that like it's some verifiable piece of information. It's just your personal opinion, which is fine. I respect your and others' opinion that she's not a good announcer. I say the same thing all the time about John Murphy and others. Seems to me like there's a pretty even split between people who thought she was good, ok, or terrible. Just making the case for my opinion.

I guess I'm the "other guy".  Why are you even in this thread if you disagree?  You're just trolling posters.  If you want name calling I'll give you name calling. You're a troll and a kitty.  You can type like a champ and have great paragraph structure and your trolling skills are nigh.  Isn't there a protest you should be attending??

 

Seriously dude, you're a simp, look it up.  Sorry that you are hurt that people have an opinion that is negative about an announcer.  You want to take it to the next level and try to come off as high and mighty and champion some cause that doesn't even exist.  

 

What is it about people not liking the announcer that made you feel the need to morally challenge others in this thread?:  Serious question.  Because, I'll tell you, that is a problem.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Does anyone get upset when former Buffalo Bill great Steve Tasker gets negatively critiqued?  By any objective measure, he's awful.

 

I don't. Steve Tasker's been dead to me for a LONG time.

 

[phypon]

2 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

 

Why am I in this thread if I disagree? This thread isn't titled "Only post in here if you think Mowins sucks as an announcer." Your opinion does not rule the thread nor is it the end all and be all opinion. I'm in here to offer my opinion that she did a good job, and that's all I did. Go back and read my posts and tell me where I'm trying to champion some social cause. That's some political battle you're trying to project onto me that's coming out of nowhere. I'm laying out the reasons I thought she did well and also repeatedly pointing out that I respect people who disagree. Nowhere did I "morally challenge" anyone. I said you are a joke for trying to name call other posters and repeatedly proclaim over and over again that you're more of a man than faceless names on an internet message board. And for that, yes, I did call you a joke. A hilarious, hilarious joke.

You're in this thread and all of your posts have been antagonistic.  Go read them.  

 

You're not offering any opinion, you're just trolling.  Not once have you offered an opinion, the only thing you've done or posted has been quoting and replying to other posters.

 

You've laid out no reasons.  Ironically, you're the one now name calling...which is exactly how you started off posting in this thread.  

 

And here you go, you're better than everyone else and everyone else is a joke.  Do you feel better now?  I thought you were done with this thread?  

[phypon]

Yeah, okay, pal.  

 

[Plano]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This thread is embarrassing. She was fine.  I wonder if some of you studs would be so aggressive with your comments if you had to post using your ugly mugs as your avatar.

 

Exactly. She did a fine job yesterday.

 

Pigs gonna pig, that's all there is to it.

 

I'm sure they're all wonderful color commentators who look absolutely fantastic.

[Peter]

I thought that Mowins did a great job.

 

I have no complaints.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Peter

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Peter said:

I that Mowins did a great job.

 

I have no complaints.

 

 

....we just forgot the TBD "One & Done Gang" includes rook announcers as well as GM's, HC's , rook players....the red carpet WELCOME mat is mined with pigeon droppings so you'll love coming here....

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

There are plenty of people who came in and offered their opinions. If the thread had stayed on point - everyone stating straight up opinions on the commentary, it would have ended yesterday. The people starting debates in here are the ones drawing it out. You can have an opinion that Beth was not good and not be a mysoginist. I get tired of people running in to tell me what I meant. I know what I meant when I wrote things. I found her voice annoying and I found her Bills knowledge lacking. There was no chemistry between the two and most of the attempts at lighthearted humor were awkward. Her pal came in here trying to equate her effort with her skill and I took issue with that logical fallacy. Where did I state that my personal opinion is law? 

 

Have you ever had an opinion about something, say food you tried for the first time that changed the more times you tried it? It grew on you? You realized the reason you didn't like mustard for a long time was your best friend growing up didn't like it, so you didn't like it, until after trying it enough times you realized you loved it (happened to me)? What happens if you listen to Mowins more and realize her voice stopped being annoying, and the reason you thought it was in the first place was because you were ingrained by society with biases that cloud your initial response.

 

This turned into a really interesting discussion though, and I didn't post in this thread until it was already at 6 or 7 pages, and was one of the first offering a different opinion. So when I said there was a 6 page thread dedicated to this topic, that already existed. Also, dude didn't say she should benefit from effort, he said she works real hard in a cut throat industry that is based on merit, therefore her success is due to her merit.

 

For the record, at no point have i said people are sexist for thinking her voice is grating. It is not the bias that makes you something, not even your inability to grow from that bias, but the refusal to better yourself through personal growth and introspection. Sort of like narcissistic personality disorder. People can be jerks, fly off the handle, be terrible with stressful situations where they look bad, that doesn't make one a narcissist...it's the refusal to acknowledge the need for personal growth when one understands the impact of their actions, and refusal to see it as a character flaw on their part, instead blaming others for being weak that is required for the diagnosis. Not saying people here have npsd at all, I'm saying I give people a lot of leeway before I start calling them something they may not be. 

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by HardyBoy

[Augie]

I have zero problem with a female announcer, nor with anything she had to say since I listen very little to most announcers. She just does not have a particularly appealing voice, but I got used to it (or tuned it out more) as the game went on. 

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

That's a shame. I loved his NFL calls.

 

"BEHIND THE SECONDARY!!"

 

Lol I'll still never forget his call when Denver beat Cinci on that pass to Stokley near the end of the game.. Must have been 10 years ago now.

 

STOKLEY!!! DOWNN THE SIDELINESSSS!!!!.

 

Awesome emotion he has

[BeginnersMind]

1 hour ago, phypon said:

Yeah, okay, pal.  

 

 

You can chose not to be like this. Spirit of Christmas or just spirit of being a better person and making the world a better place.  

[phypon]

17 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You can chose not to be like this. Spirit of Christmas or just spirit of being a better person and making the world a better place.  

In the spirit of Christmas and Jesus Christ, allow others to have their opinions and not attack them for having such opinions.  I mean that sincerely.  If a person attacks someone for having an opinion or that person is attacked, don't persecute them for defending themselves.  If a person has a different outlook or a preliminary outlook on a topic that requires no rhetoric nor rebuttal they should be allowed to freely voice their opinion.  If a dissenting view point was not asked for one should not be offered.

 

With that, I say Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.  I mean that sincerely.  

[The Frankish Reich]

I got used to her voice. Didn't bother me after the first 10 minutes. Not the greatest sportscaster voice, but the golden voiced Joe Buck can be much more annoying, so that's not everything. She made a few mistakes on her calls. I don't know the business that well so I suppose that could be on a spotter, at least some of the time. It was definitely the "E" team at best, but overall they were ok. What I found most interesting: I thought she was awful when paired with Rex. Now I realize that's because Rex is awful. He'd drag down anyone he's paired with. 

[Gray Beard]

I thought her color announcer was pretty uncolorful (Mr. McFeely from Mr. Roger's Neighborhood?).

She made a few mistakes such as "Two Yard Gain" when it was actually a Two Yard Loss.  Things like that.

Not great, Not bad.

I'm used to her voice because she announces a lot of college stuff.

I don't usually think too much about who the announcer is, and I won't care if she announces a game I'm watching or not.

[BeginnersMind]

2 hours ago, phypon said:

In the spirit of Christmas and Jesus Christ, allow others to have their opinions and not attack them for having such opinions.  I mean that sincerely.  If a person attacks someone for having an opinion or that person is attacked, don't persecute them for defending themselves.  If a person has a different outlook or a preliminary outlook on a topic that requires no rhetoric nor rebuttal they should be allowed to freely voice their opinion.  If a dissenting view point was not asked for one should not be offered.

 

With that, I say Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.  I mean that sincerely.  

 

Jesus would have enjoyed her broadcast and said things to support her. 

 

I’m  not playing that “call people on their hypocrisy” card that passes for moral argument. I’m celebrating that fact. 

 

Merry Christmas to you too. 

[NewCardsFan]

16 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

Nice post, strong valid points

 

Also, careful with the Goldberg analogy, I totally get your point and it supports your argument, but someone might force your argument on the defensive by saying that the Goldberg move was clearly a publicity stunt, are you saying the same about Mowins? 

Thanks. Which part on Goldberg would be the stunt? The using him, or the demotion? At one point, he was actually considered a rising star thanks to his UFC work. This sounds weird probably, but Vince McMahon offered him a truckload of money to become the "Voice of WWE," because he wanted a more serious play-by-play guy at the time. Goldberg remained with UFC, and through their deal with FOX, he got a gig as their #7 guy that year. And he was savaged and had the meltdown. Now, he doesn't even have the UFC gig.

 

The crowd who thinks that Mowins is a publicity stunt is aided by the fact that she isn't exactly on the top-rung at ESPN college football. She's about 9th or 10th down the hierarchy and received fewer bowl game assignments than completely obscure guys. I see it as CBS took a flier on variety of factors: yes, she's female, but they want to test the waters, it was just 2 games this season, and Bills-Dolphins had the lowest distribution percentage of any game yesterday (6% of the country saw it). It's easier to take a chance and see what you have. A true publicity stunt would be ESPN sticking her with Flexy Rexy and Sergio, turning it into a circus on purpose.

 

I didn't get the Jay Feely nod at all though. He works for CBS, but isn't even on any of the top college crews. He was terrible on the UB-Army game this season. 

[richstadiumowner]

Oh heaven's no!

Your not supposed to say or notice how bad affirmative action and pc culture is.

And they wonder why we DON'T watch.

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by richstadiumowner

[Ol Dirty B]

14 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

I'll say it again: her knowledge was fine. Her pitch and tone was annoying.

 

There's nothing sexist about it, it just IS.

 

 

Their isn't anything sexist about that. You clearly lack an ability to understand nuance. Someone saying her voice is annoying is not the same as the guy I was quoting saying it just doesn't feel right to have a woman announce a football game. Talk about simple

Is anyone really surprised that a fan base that prides itself on chasing down anyone who says anything bad about them on twitter, #billsmafia, or takes pride in having over the top tailgates where women blow guys for jerseys, guys take shots off girls asses, or they become known for jumping through tables would have an issue with a woman announcing a game?

 

And I'm not saying all of you who didn't like her are in that boat, but this fan base does not earn any benefit of the doubt or project a good image of itself. This fan base is about as ignorant as it can get. 

1 hour ago, richstadiumowner said:

Oh heaven's no!

Your not supposed to say or notice how bad affirmative action and pc culture is.

And they wonder why we DON'T watch.

 

 

I can't believe you posted something this stupid after editing. You're an uneducated moron. What the hell does affirmative action have to do with any of this?

 

If I follow this thought to its' logical conclusion, which I imagine will be tough for you. You don't watch the games because you know if you do, they will make you say something that people will widely regard as stupid?

 

By all means then, please don't watch and please stop posting. 

 

Who is they? I mean really man, this post is just horrible and makes no sense.  

 

I love that it's always the people saying don't bring politics in to my sports bringing politics in to sports. AA and PC culture... WTF? What is PC about kneeling during the anthem since that's the only legitimate thing you could be offended by the NFL is responsible for. It's the opposite of PC. And also, you're still watching. More empty threats there. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by Ol Dirty B

[BeginnersMind]

On 12/17/2017 at 2:10 PM, row_33 said:

I watched a series and she called the Bills QB McCoy twice.

 

 

 

Welcome back. How long did you quit the Bills for? 

 

Most posters go about 3 days after one of those "I quit this team" outbursts. It's like clearing waivers.

 

The anthem protest people were hard core. They lasted maybe 8 days. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by BeginnersMind

[blacklabel]

22 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Gus isn't part of any NFL on FOX announcing crew.  He primarily does CFB and CBB.

 

Ah, I did not know that. I only quickly glanced at his Wiki page and it said he left CBS for FOX in 2011. 

[DCBongo]

Mowins and Feely were a solid team.  Gave some good insight and with less boring that most. 

[boyst]

for those interested

 

beth mullins is hosting a christmas celebration on ABC right now.

[RiotAct]

16 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

for those interested

 

beth mullins is hosting a christmas celebration on ABC right now.

 No.  Hell, no.

[boyst]

Just now, RiotAct said:

 No.  Hell, no.

i apologize, it is kathy griffin.

[BobbyC81]

On 12/17/2017 at 4:55 PM, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Agreed, the announcers mean very little to me. Has there ever been a game in Buffalo where weather wasn’t mentioned? It seems like whenever it’s 65 in September they mention how “balmy” it is. As if 65 is unusual for September in Buffalo. 

 

I’ve dealt with this for 30+ years living in California. Many people when I say I was from Buffalo comment on it being cold, even those from other countries.  It just has more publicity as being a cold place than places like Minnesota that are actually colder.

On 12/18/2017 at 5:55 PM, NewCardsFan said:

 

I didn't get the Jay Feely nod at all though. He works for CBS, but isn't even on any of the top college crews. He was terrible on the UB-Army game this season. 

 

Yeah, what does a kicker know about football?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 12/18/2017 at 4:27 PM, HardyBoy said:

 

Have you ever had an opinion about something, say food you tried for the first time that changed the more times you tried it? It grew on you? You realized the reason you didn't like mustard for a long time was your best friend growing up didn't like it, so you didn't like it, until after trying it enough times you realized you loved it (happened to me)? What happens if you listen to Mowins more and realize her voice stopped being annoying, and the reason you thought it was in the first place was because you were ingrained by society with biases that cloud your initial response.

 

This turned into a really interesting discussion though, and I didn't post in this thread until it was already at 6 or 7 pages, and was one of the first offering a different opinion. So when I said there was a 6 page thread dedicated to this topic, that already existed. Also, dude didn't say she should benefit from effort, he said she works real hard in a cut throat industry that is based on merit, therefore her success is due to her merit.

 

For the record, at no point have i said people are sexist for thinking her voice is grating. It is not the bias that makes you something, not even your inability to grow from that bias, but the refusal to better yourself through personal growth and introspection. Sort of like narcissistic personality disorder. People can be jerks, fly off the handle, be terrible with stressful situations where they look bad, that doesn't make one a narcissist...it's the refusal to acknowledge the need for personal growth when one understands the impact of their actions, and refusal to see it as a character flaw on their part, instead blaming others for being weak that is required for the diagnosis. Not saying people here have npsd at all, I'm saying I give people a lot of leeway before I start calling them something they may not be. 

 

I think it's possible to way over complicate issues like this.  You mentioned that someone said her success was based on merit, I'd humbly offer that while probable, there is no way to know that.  She could be the great grand niece of the founder of cbs, an alum of the same school as the guy responsible for programming, or the best candidate to ever walk in the door.  It's possible, to, to consider whether being a pioneer in her field (from a gender perspective) resulted in both hardship and opportunity.  

 

I did the best I could...I watched and listened and moved on.  I wasn't a fan at first, considered the experience a push by the end, though I'm usually not a fan of most broadcasts.  I'm not a sexist, but I think I am an announcerist.  I can live with that, and with the knowledge that not everything is a teachable moment for everyone.