Espn ANALysts on Tyrod to Nate

[racecitybills]

You have to wonder if these ANALysts actually do any homework. We had a QB who refused to throw the ball down the field.  Refused.   I was a Tyrod supporter too. 

 

We lead the league in 3 and outs and take zero chances to move the sticks. The old “statistics are for losers” crowd use their cherry picked Tyrod stats to shows how he takes care of the ball.  Yep.  Whooptee do.   We are stagnant and helping to kill our defense because we punt punt punt.  

 

It’s Peterman time.  Play the game.  Throw the damn ball down the field!

[mikemac2001]

I saw it and it was all just bills are throwing tyrod under the bus. The last 2 losses weren't his fault and they forget he got them 5 wins (no the turnovers did )

 

moss was only one who made sense saying let's see what peterman can do and let's talk next week

[Foreigner]

Why don't you tell the OC to call for plays down the field. That would help. 

[aceman_16]

When making a thread.... it helps to offer a link to what the OP is referring back to or AT LEAST write a brief summary as to what s/he is disagreeing with. Otherwise, just fold this post in one of the other dozen or so similarly discussed threads.

[/dev/null]

Sorry for the devolution into PPP here, but also take into account the SJW running the show at ESPN will not look favorably on benching a black QB in favor of a white QB

[KDIGGZ]

Rex spewed the same stats we always hear from the Tyrod crew. 10 TD's and only 3 picks. Ok but how about the throws Tyrod doesn't even attempt? There's no stats for the QB not reading the defense and pulling the ball down instead of throwing the receiver open. Any QB would only throw a couple of INT's too if they all waited for receivers to be wide open before throwing

[Theshallowcross]

I'm new to the board but I see a theme just from some of my reading. 

 

Something like "National Media member X says Taylor stinks" - board reaction becomes: yeah that's right, this guy actually watches the Bills and he gets it. 

 

Or "National Media member Z says that it isn't Taylors fault, the Oline is bad and the defense is a sieve". - board reaction becomes: no way, Taylor stinks. This guy doesn't watch the Bills or have his finger on the pulse of the team. It's all Taylor's fault. Peterman for prez. 

 

Does this seem correct? 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Theshallowcross

[racecitybills]

5 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

Why don't you tell the OC to call for plays down the field. That would help. 

One writer this week wrote about a stat that does not exist.   Missed throws down the field.  Every pass play called has receivers down the field and Tyrod refused to pull the trigger.  Not the play call it’s the player 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

ITS DISGUSTING!!!!

 

These reporters know crap!!!!

 

”Tyrod was the offense, he extended plays....”

 

thats the exact opposite of what the West Coast offense is intended to do. Tyrod holds the ball way to long to the point he has to run around. THATS NOT THE OFFENSE!!!

 

Do they think Dennison would have an issue if that were the case?!?!

 

i just think it’s funny, last week they called 10 pass plays for Peterman and he got the ball out very quickly on all but 1 pass, that 1 play bring a TD!

 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by 1ZAYDAY1

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Theshallowcross said:

I'm new to the board but I see a theme just from some of my reading. 

 

Something like "National Media member X says Taylor stinks" - board reaction becomes: yeah that's right, this guy actually watches the Bills and he gets it. 

 

Or "National Media member Z says that it isn't Taylors fault, the Oline is bad and the defense is a sieve". - board reaction becomes: no way, Taylor stinks. This guy doesn't watch the Bills or have his finger on the pulse of the team. It's all Taylor's fault. Peterman for prez. 

 

Does this seem correct?

 

Tyrod's deficiencies as a QB have been well-recorded.  He has the ability to make plays with his arm and feet, but he's risk-averse and doesn't process things quickly, and as a result, leaves too many plays on the field.  It's not all his fault that the Bills lose games, but he's also not the reason they win them either, which is the trap many analysts are making.  Since he's not a franchise QB, the Bills need to find out of Peterman is. 

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

Why don't you tell the OC to call for plays down the field. That would help. 

 

There were plays called downfield but Tyrod didn’t throw them.  Hence a reason why he’s been benched.

[Albwan]

If the bills didn't rack up all those early defensive turnovers and started 1-5 you

wouldn't hear a peep from these guys.

[cd1]

It is funny!

 

Until two weeks ago, nobody would spend any time talking about the Bills. 

 

THEN, because we looked hot to go 6-2, they all started crowing about Taylor as if they all thought he was GREAT.

 

NOW they have egg on their faces.

 

This is more about THEM than it is the Bills.

 

 

[suorangefan4]

22 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

Why don't you tell the OC to call for plays down the field. That would help. 

 

I'm sure Dennison tells Tyrod to lock in on Mike Tolbert on 3rd and 12 for a 6 yard gain time and time again. Kelvin Benjamin was open for a first down and he didn't even look his way. He was dead set on Tolbert.

 

How about the play that someone showed a couple days ago where two receivers had only one safety to cover them so Thompson was breaking open for a long gain and probable TD but of course Tyrod bailed from the pocket right away when all he had to do was step up and the pass rush would've been pushed right by him.

[bigduke6]

am i really reading that the OC needed to call more downfield passing plays?    nearly every long throw Tyrod has made downfield this year has sailed out of bounds....

 

if i was the OC,  and saw this happen consistently,  id make sure i dont call more plays that have a slim chance of the ball even being playable.

Edited November 19, 2017 by bigduke6

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...just a two pence observation.....Peterman has demonstrated a much better grasp of the mental game this early on as in adapting to the speed of the NFL game with reads/progressions, spotting/trusting receivers as well as pre-snap defensive reads versus Taylor..TT has seven years at this level including training, sitting and starting so he should know the speed demands by now....Steve Young said "more fail than succeed" because this is a very unique trait, possibly not something teachable as in "speeding up the brain"...not a knock on Taylor.....Taylor possess the mobility/speed attribute that Peterman does not....and even as he matures and grows as a 22 year old, I doubt he'll ever have TT wheels....physical growth will focus on upper body strength, arm strength improvements and perhaps scrambling mobility but no where near TT's "wheels"..............

[starrymessenger]

Its an incredibly small sample size but I think it probably gives us a valid indication of what happens when you "unleash" Tyrod as a passer. Look at his performance in the Pro Bowl, where play is more open and less "disciplined". He made a lovely enzone corner throw for a td if memory serves. He also threw 3 picks. Thats why he doesn't take chances. His coaches know it, and he probably does as well.

[Mat68]

10-3 TD  to Int ok.  QBR/ QB rating middle of the road.  Last in the league in accuracy passing over 15 yards, second to last in accuraccy for window spot throws.  Three and outs and he is not getting the big plays this year results in him not being an effective passer.  I was fine with his style if he is good for 2-3 big plays a game.  Those plays are coming fewer and fewer and he is not getting anymore consistent between them.  Rex has an axe to grind.  If Buffalo makes the playoffs with a rookie qb its a slap to his face.  The national media does not understand the move their are some out there that havent bashed it because they do get it.  They have watched games.  

[Sweats]

I wasn't sure how to weigh in on this, but here goes..........

 

TT dumping the ball off to Shady on every play for minimal yardage is reminiscent of the TE days in Buffalo...........dull, unexciting, uninspiring and we all know how that ended up for Trent. Fans pay good money to watch a decent game and dull football play from the QB position makes the game too long on a sunday afternoon recently. A lot of fane didn't care much for Fitz or Losman, but these guys had no problems heaving the skin down the field, mind you for a majority of disastrous plays, but it kept the fans on the edge of their seats and instilled a confidence between the QB and his WR's, by lobbing it up and letting the players make a play.

 

Dumping the ball off on every play says 2 things..........1) i don't have the confidence in my guys to make a play and 2) i don't have the confidence in myself to not make mistakes.

 

Putting a throwing QB like Peterman will probably have disastrous results, but you can't deny that the fans are looking forward to some passing plays in the near future........and in a passing league these days, i say air it out and let your teammates make some plays.

 

That is all..........i have spoken.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

!@#$ espn or any other incompetent media source. they whine worse than some on this board

[Mat68]

5 minutes ago, Sweats said:

I wasn't sure how to weigh in on this, but here goes..........

 

TT dumping the ball off to Shady on every play for minimal yardage is reminiscent of the TE days in Buffalo...........dull, unexciting, uninspiring and we all know how that ended up for Trent. Fans pay good money to watch a decent game and dull football play from the QB position makes the game too long on a sunday afternoon recently. A lot of fane didn't care much for Fitz or Losman, but these guys had no problems heaving the skin down the field, mind you for a majority of disastrous plays, but it kept the fans on the edge of their seats and instilled a confidence between the QB and his WR's, by lobbing it up and letting the players make a play.

 

Dumping the ball off on every play says 2 things..........1) i don't have the confidence in my guys to make a play and 2) i don't have the confidence in myself to not make mistakes.

 

Putting a throwing QB like Peterman will probably have disastrous results, but you can't deny that the fans are looking forward to some passing plays in the near future........and in a passing league these days, i say air it out and let your teammates make some plays.

 

That is all..........i have spoken.

 

I am with you.  Last week was terrible to watch.  It looked like a highshool game when one time was 3 or 4 A and one was single A.  The change has brought some excitement for the this weeks game that would not have been their if Taylor remained the starter.  Sure they are in the playoffs today but everyone could see the bottom falling out.

[Billsfan1972]

57 minutes ago, Theshallowcross said:

I'm new to the board but I see a theme just from some of my reading. 

 

Something like "National Media member X says Taylor stinks" - board reaction becomes: yeah that's right, this guy actually watches the Bills and he gets it. 

 

Or "National Media member Z says that it isn't Taylors fault, the Oline is bad and the defense is a sieve". - board reaction becomes: no way, Taylor stinks. This guy doesn't watch the Bills or have his finger on the pulse of the team. It's all Taylor's fault. Peterman for prez. 

 

Does this seem correct? 

 

 

Yep you hit the nail on the head.

 

The fact no 5th round rookie has ever been given the starting job and been successful day one doesn't matter,nor making the playoffs.  Hat matters is tyrod is gone.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, Theshallowcross said:

I'm new to the board but I see a theme just from some of my reading. 

 

Something like "National Media member X says Taylor stinks" - board reaction becomes: yeah that's right, this guy actually watches the Bills and he gets it. 

 

Or "National Media member Z says that it isn't Taylors fault, the Oline is bad and the defense is a sieve". - board reaction becomes: no way, Taylor stinks. This guy doesn't watch the Bills or have his finger on the pulse of the team. It's all Taylor's fault. Peterman for prez. 

 

Does this seem correct? 

 

No, that's not correct. 

[Theshallowcross]

19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yep you hit the nail on the head.

 

The fact no 5th round rookie has ever been given the starting job and been successful day one doesn't matter,nor making the playoffs.  Hat matters is tyrod is gone.

 

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

No, that's not correct. 

 

Who do I believe? Seems correct to me from my limited time here. I'll go with Billsfan1972

[xxxxxxxx]

1 hour ago, racecitybills said:

You have to wonder if these ANALysts actually do any homework. We had a QB who refused to throw the ball down the field.  Refused.   I was a Tyrod supporter too. 

 

We lead the league in 3 and outs and take zero chances to move the sticks. The old “statistics are for losers” crowd use their cherry picked Tyrod stats to shows how he takes care of the ball.  Yep.  Whooptee do.   We are stagnant and helping to kill our defense because we punt punt punt.  

 

It’s Peterman time.  Play the game.  Throw the damn ball down the field!

Tyrod has one of the higher completion percentages on deep balls in the league: its one of the few areas where he is up their with the elite quarterbacks (and why a lot of analysts feel that he is underrated). Or were you not watching all his pretty bombs to Sammy, Clay, ect. If a guy is open deep, and he sees it, he's one of the best.  Peterman is more of a short/intermediate dink and dunk get the ball out fast style thrower.   While I'm not accusing you of being racist, alot of people feel that black quarterbacks who can run don't get enough credit for their ability to throw down the field because people assume that they can't. Dude throws the ball down the field to the outside well, but he doesn't hit short or intermediate throws nearly as often. So if you think Peterman will hit more deep balls, your sadly mistaken.

Edited November 19, 2017 by MURPHD6

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, Theshallowcross said:

 

 

Who do I believe? Seems correct to me from my limited time here. I'll go with Billsfan1972

 

If you already knew the answer then why did you form it as a question? Let me guess: you enjoy being a sanctimonious pot-stirrer. 

[Maine-iac]

What 90 percent of the posters in this thread are missing and that those analysts weren't is why Tyrod didn't throw deep last week on a 3rd and long.  We run for negative yards, we get penalized we end up in 3rd and 15.  We run a play where only two people even run routes past the sticks and the defense is in cover 3 and every airmchair QB in Buffalo groans and shakes their first in the air.  The real story is that with a good running game, something Dennson appears incapable of designing, Taylor took a lot of shots down field and did very well at it.  When called on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 3, deep shots are effective.  If you have a per carry average of 1.7 and your QB is throwing on 3rd and 15 and not getting it your team shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Maine-iac

[Real McClappy]

The more we ignore ESPN the faster they will just go away. 

 

The only thing ESPN is decent for is their free fantasy football leagues.

[Wayne Arnold]

11 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Tyrod has one of the higher completion percentages on deep balls in the league: its one of the few areas where he is up their with the elite quarterbacks (and why a lot of analysts feel that he is underrated).

 

According to who?

 

I did find this and he's no where in the Top 10.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713730-nfl-1000-ranking-the-best-deep-throwers

[bobblehead]

Well regardless of what’s being said about Tyrod and whatever, I’m really impressed by Randy Moss on the network. 

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

What 90 percent of the posters in this thread are missing and that those analysts weren't is why Tyrod didn't throw deep last week on a 3rd and long.  We run for negative yards, we get penalized we end up in 3rd and 15.  We run a play where only two people even run routes past the sticks and the defense is in cover 3 and every airmchair QB in Buffalo groans and shakes their first in the air.  The real story is that with a good running game, something Dennson appears incapable of designing, Taylor took a lot of shots down field and did very well at it.  When called on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 3, deep shots are effective.  If you have a per carry average of 1.7 and your QB is throwing on 3rd and 15 and not getting it your team shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

 

You sound very impartial. 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, Theshallowcross said:

I'm new to the board but I see a theme just from some of my reading. 

 

Something like "National Media member X says Taylor stinks" - board reaction becomes: yeah that's right, this guy actually watches the Bills and he gets it. 

 

Or "National Media member Z says that it isn't Taylors fault, the Oline is bad and the defense is a sieve". - board reaction becomes: no way, Taylor stinks. This guy doesn't watch the Bills or have his finger on the pulse of the team. It's all Taylor's fault. Peterman for prez. 

 

Does this seem correct? 

 

 

yes and no

[Maine-iac]

13 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You sound very impartial. 

This whole thread is an opinion of some people's opinions ................ what are you expecting?

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, /dev/null said:

Sorry for the devolution into PPP here, but also take into account the SJW running the show at ESPN will not look favorably on benching a black QB in favor of a white QB

 

Sad but true.

 

1 hour ago, cd1 said:

It is funny!

 

Until two weeks ago, nobody would spend any time talking about the Bills. 

 

THEN, because we looked hot to go 6-2, they all started crowing about Taylor as if they all thought he was GREAT.

 

NOW they have egg on their faces.

 

This is more about THEM than it is the Bills.

 

 

 

Even more sad, and even more true.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, /dev/null said:

Sorry for the devolution into PPP here, but also take into account the SJW running the show at ESPN will not look favorably on benching a black QB in favor of a white QB

I love people like you.  All you do is cry about how PC everything is (things should just stay like they were in the 50s) and all you do is race bait.

 

I wanted the Bills to move on in the offseason from Tyrod.  But if you don't think a team in the 6 seed of the playoffs benching their qb for a 5th round rookie isn't a big deal, regardless of race, you're a moron.  

 

And ma when did this board become overrun with 12 year olds?  Sick Anal joke bro. 

24 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

The more we ignore ESPN the faster they will just go away. 

 

The only thing ESPN is decent for is their free fantasy football leagues.

Snowflake 

[racecitybills]

41 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Tyrod has one of the higher completion percentages on deep balls in the league: its one of the few areas where he is up their with the elite quarterbacks (and why a lot of analysts feel that he is underrated). Or were you not watching all his pretty bombs to Sammy, Clay, ect. If a guy is open deep, and he sees it, he's one of the best.  Peterman is more of a short/intermediate dink and dunk get the ball out fast style thrower.   While I'm not accusing you of being racist, alot of people feel that black quarterbacks who can run don't get enough credit for their ability to throw down the field because people assume that they can't. Dude throws the ball down the field to the outside well, but he doesn't hit short or intermediate throws nearly as often. So if you think Peterman will hit more deep balls, your sadly mistaken.

Dude.  He used to throw the deep ball.  Now he won’t throw to the sticks.  I have been a complete Tyrod supporter.  He is not getting the job done.  Stop with the race nonsense. 

Edited November 19, 2017 by racecitybills

[snafu]

You know, it didn't ever cross my mind to wonder what ESPN thinks about the switch.

 

[Cripple Creek]

25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You sound very impartial. 

How did you get 59 likes? 

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

This whole thread is an opinion of some people's opinions ................ what are you expecting?

 

I'll lower my expectations.

[2003Contenders]

I am not sure why any Bills fan would even worry about what these national media talking-heads have to say about the Bills. They know less about our team than most of us.