Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I can't imagine there ever being a worse criticism for an NFL quarterback than to hear an opposing defensive player after getting completely shut down tell the media after the game, "We made him a quarterback." It happened twice last season and now it's happened again. From Saints' star Defensive Lineman Cameron Jordan. "I knew that Tyrod Taylor would try and scramble and we pretty much eliminated that except we got a little hungry on some sacks and he spun out and did exactly what we knew he was going to do. We kept him in the pocket and made him a quarterback." http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/11/cameron_jordan_on_strategy_against_qb_tyrod_taylor_we_made_him_a_quarterback.html Taylor can blame racism for the criticism all he wants. He can tell us he doesn't care about the fans, yada yada. But when opposing defenses watch the film, they know Taylor cannot throw consistently from the pocket. In their minds, he's a running back who takes snaps from center. The stat line really says it all this time: nine pass completions for 56 yards in a game where the defense is giving up points lots of points. This isn't one of those low-scoring games where Taylor is "being smart with the ball" by not taking chances because a turnover will hurt, etc. This is a game where he HAS to take chances and throw the ball down the field...and he JUST. WOULD. NOT. DO. IT. It's a problem. I'm not exaggerating when I say: this was the worst performance by a Buffalo Bills quarterback I have ever seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Says every team who shuts him down... Exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 This is going to be a fun week. Other teams are saying it and Peterman played well in a single series. :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I can't imagine there ever being a worse criticism for an NFL quarterback than to hear an opposing defensive player after getting completely shut down tell the media after the game, "We made him a quarterback." It happened twice last season and now it's happened again. From Saints' star Defensive Lineman Cameron Jordan. "I knew that Tyrod Taylor would try and scramble and we pretty much eliminated that except we got a little hungry on some sacks and he spun out and did exactly what we knew he was going to do. We kept him in the pocket and made him a quarterback." http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/11/cameron_jordan_on_strategy_against_qb_tyrod_taylor_we_made_him_a_quarterback.html Taylor can blame racism for the criticism all he wants. He can tell us he doesn't care about the fans, yada yada. But when opposing defenses watch the film, they know Taylor cannot throw consistently from the pocket. In their minds, he's a running back who takes snaps from center. The stat line really says it all this time: nine pass completions for 56 yards in a game where the defense is giving up points lots of points. This isn't one of those low-scoring games where Taylor is "being smart with the ball" by not taking chances because a turnover will hurt, etc. This is a game where he HAS to take chances and throw the ball down the field...and he JUST. WOULD. NOT. DO. IT. It's a problem. I'm not exaggerating when I say: this was the worst performance by a Buffalo Bills quarterback I have ever seen. That’s saying a lot.... as there have been many bad ones over the years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I honestly don’t think that had anything to do with the game. This is a better narrative last week when the jets kept him in the pocket and he panicked and took like 8 sacks. We just couldn’t get anything going. It was a combination of bad penalties, bad play calls, inaccurate throws, and poor running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I honestly don’t think that had anything to do with the game. This is a better narrative last week when the jets kept him in the pocket and he panicked and took like 8 sacks. We just couldn’t get anything going. It was a combination of bad penalties, bad play calls, inaccurate throws, and poor running. Are you joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Are you joking? No. I think it’s silly to say the offense looked bad because TT was a pocket passer. They looked bad because he played like crap AND the offense was in 2nd 20 all day, running option plays to mike Tolbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Once again, the Bills coaching staff has no idea how to adjust to an opponent who has game film on them. How many times have we said this over the years about the Bills approach to games by their coordinators? Taylor deserves blame but I put the majority of it on McDermott and Dennison for not being aware that teams were going to catch up to the tactics sooner rather than later. It’s like they don’t start out with the premise “Ok, Tyrod has to be in the pocket. What can we do to make him successful?” as the Monday Morning question on the whiteboard. Frazier's should be "why can't we sack anybody?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's a problem. I'm not exaggerating when I say: this was the worst performance by a Buffalo Bills quarterback I have ever seen. 33.6 of 156? 29.7 of 100? 3.1 ypp avg? What % weer behind the LOS? Edited November 13, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: No. I think it’s silly to say the offense looked bad because TT was a pocket passer. They looked bad because he played like crap AND the offense was in 2nd 20 all day, running option plays to mike Tolbert. The offense didn't look bad. It was bad - which is a massive understatement. Taylor refused to throw the ball down field when those throws were desperately needed. He's a cowardly QB, which doesn't help the narrative that he's a running back who takes snaps from center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 22 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: This is going to be a fun week. Other teams are saying it and Peterman played well in a single series. :D. Yep. TT was completely awful yesterday but when Peterman went in the Saints went 4 Deep 10 to 15 yards off the line. Nothing valid to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 We all love a QB controversy and now we have one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: Once again, the Bills coaching staff has no idea how to adjust to an opponent who has game film on them. How many times have we said this over the years about the Bills approach to games by their coordinators? Taylor deserves blame but I put the majority of it on McDermott and Dennison for not being aware that teams were going to catch up to the tactics sooner rather than later. It’s like they don’t start out with the premise “Ok, Tyrod has to be in the pocket. What can we do to make him successful?” as the Monday Morning question on the whiteboard. Frazier's should be "why can't we sack anybody?" What is an OC supposed to do when the quarterback won't throw the ball? There's no adjustment for that. 2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: Yep. TT was completely awful yesterday but when Peterman went in the Saints went 4 Deep 10 to 15 yards off the line. Nothing valid to evaluate. Which makes it more difficult to throw the ball down the field and score a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: What is an OC supposed to do when the quarterback won't throw the ball? There's no adjustment for that. I think he's doing what he's told 8 out of the 10 times. The other two times he deviates out of necessity. TT hasn't struck me as a freelancer. Ever. There's next to no audibles at the line, and unless he's flushed from the pocket, he follows the script. Remember, you've got guys preaching "process" and conformity all over the place under McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: Yep. TT was completely awful yesterday but when Peterman went in the Saints went 4 Deep 10 to 15 yards off the line. Nothing valid to evaluate. Sad part is, Tyrod would have probably taken a couple sacks in the same situation lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, dpberr said: I think he's doing what he's told 8 out of the 10 times. The other two times he deviates out of necessity. TT hasn't struck me as a freelancer. Ever. There's next to no audibles at the line, and unless he's flushed from the pocket, he follows the script. Remember, you've got guys preaching "process" and conformity all over the place under McDermott. This is such a cop out. No coach in his right mind is telling Taylor not to throw the ball to receivers when down multiple touchdowns. That's insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: I think he's doing what he's told 8 out of the 10 times. The other two times he deviates out of necessity. TT hasn't struck me as a freelancer. Ever. There's next to no audibles at the line, and unless he's flushed from the pocket, he follows the script. Remember, you've got guys preaching "process" and conformity all over the place under McDermott. Back in training camp, Dennison specifically stated Taylor must get the ball out quicker. Do you think that has changed? Is he telling him to hold the ball now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: Yep. TT was completely awful yesterday but when Peterman went in the Saints went 4 Deep 10 to 15 yards off the line. Nothing valid to evaluate. MAYBE - just maybe they were "4 Deep 10 to 15 yards off the line" BECAUSE Peterman was NOT AFRAID TO THROW THE BALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 We can debate it all week if we want, into next week and after the season but the loses are 100% on the quarterback. No NFL QB should thrown for 56 yards or average 3.1 yards an attempt and keep his job. Tyrod is not a competent NFL QB, and his TD/INT ratio is a complete lie when it comes to actually watching the guy play. If we have a better qb, the entire team is better. O-Line looks better when their quarterback gets the ball out sooner than 3.1 seconds Running Backs look better when the box isnt stacked with defenders who already know we have no passing game Defense looks better when they arent on the field a minute after they just left it They lost as a team this is true, but in the league everything revolves around your passing game. The faster this team realizes that the faster when can escape this inane purgatory they put themselves in every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Back in training camp, Dennison specifically stated Taylor must get the ball out quicker. Do you think that has changed? Is he telling him to hold the ball now? Sometimes you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Taylor is not a starting NFL QB. Remember WHO decided to make him one here.... Peterman should have been put in after halftime yesterday. What did they have to lose? See what the kid can do. Edited November 13, 2017 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclynrea21 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Peterman then fix the D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, dpberr said: Once again, the Bills coaching staff has no idea how to adjust to an opponent who has game film on them. How many times have we said this over the years about the Bills approach to games by their coordinators? Taylor deserves blame but I put the majority of it on McDermott and Dennison for not being aware that teams were going to catch up to the tactics sooner rather than later. It’s like they don’t start out with the premise “Ok, Tyrod has to be in the pocket. What can we do to make him successful?” as the Monday Morning question on the whiteboard. Frazier's should be "why can't we sack anybody?" You leave your defense on the field for 40+ minutes and they're going to get tired. It doesn't help when Try-hard can't read a defense after 7 (with 2+ starting) years in the NFL. He can't make basic throws, doesn't throw receivers open, gets happy feet when he feels slight pressure, and is essentially become a faster version of Trent Edwards. Tyrod will never be a sufficient passer in the league. Never. Edited November 13, 2017 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I'm guessing you didn't watch the Browns vs Bills in 2009 when Derek Anderson went 2 for 17 for 23 yards with an interception lol. The saddest part about that stat line... The Browns actually beat the Bills 6-3 haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Sounds like a trend. Quote from Jets news outlet: the Baltimore Ravens completely shut down Buffalo Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor, and the New York Jets took notice. After the Bills' Week 1 loss, Ravens defensive tackle Brandon Williams said of the teams game plan: "Make him be a quarterback." He threw for 111 yards in that game, so guess what the Jets' game plan was? "You just have to keep him in the pocket and make him be a quarterback," 41 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: What is an OC supposed to do when the quarterback won't throw the ball? There's no adjustment for that. Which makes it more difficult to throw the ball down the field and score a touchdown. What is really puzzling on this new staff is they are continuing to bang their head against the wall trying to prove fired Rex was smart when he picked Tyrod as a starter. 3 OCs later and Tyrod still in the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I don't see how you can keep Taylor in at this point. I really don't. I know there were a TON of other problems last two weeks, but there isn't many personnel changes you can make at other positions. Anyway, if they move to Peterman now, here's the potential benefits: 1) You get a half season audition to see how urgent a QB is in the draft next year 2) Peterman gets the ball out much more quickly, which can help with the o-line problems 3) If the passing game is more of a threat, it should help the running game. 4) Getting in more of a rhythm is likely to help the rest of the offense, including the receivers, be more involved in the game 5) If the offense improves, the defense is going to be improved because they won't be on the field the entire time On the downside, Peterman could totally blow up and the Bills could get killed, but I think it's time to take that chance. After Miami loses tonight, the Bills are still a game up for the last Wild Card spot, might as well do what they can to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Shotgunner said: Says every team who shuts him down... Exposed. How useless is every single DC who had the talent and didn't bother easily prepping to do this to Tyrod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 This is not the first team to say this. If Tyrod wants to win next week he better learn how to throw and throw a lot. We go to the playoffs if he opens up a little, we are out if he doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 45 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: This is such a cop out. No coach in his right mind is telling Taylor not to throw the ball to receivers when down multiple touchdowns. That's insanity. Remember, the same coach likes the "run Mike Tolbert up the middle for a cloud of dust" play that makes even less sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I'm guessing you didn't watch the Browns vs Bills in 2009 when Derek Anderson went 2 for 17 for 23 yards with an interception lol. The saddest part about that stat line... The Browns actually beat the Bills 6-3 haha I was at that game. Edwards was better that day than Taylor was yesterday. 13 minutes ago, dpberr said: Remember, the same coach likes the "run Mike Tolbert up the middle for a cloud of dust" play that makes even less sense. No, that doesn't make less sense than telling the QB to not throw the ball to receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: We all love a QB controversy and now we have one. we have ALWAYS had a QB controversy. TT has not, is not, and will not ever be the answer. He simply refuses to and/or cannot throw the ball with anticipation at all. The "WR group is bad" is no longer an excuse. Give an average NFL QB Benjamin and Matthews w/ Clay and they can have more than 56 yards. If it wasn't TT v. Peterman, it would be TT v. who should we draft next year. TT has NEVER won a game for the Bills. That's something franchise QB's need to do from time to time. 13 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I was at that game. Edwards was better that day than Taylor was yesterday. No, that doesn't make less sense than telling the QB to not throw the ball to receivers. I was at that game also. TT is only functional when Shady can run. That IS NOT a franchise QB. A good-great QB can win the game, or at least throw for more than 56 yards, when the running game is shut down. Which, in turn, opens the running game up. We made the Saints D look like the 85 Bears, the Steel Curtain, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I was at that game. Edwards was better that day than Taylor was yesterday. I was talking about Derek Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 The book on Taylor has been out for some time. And McD and his staff can't be stupid enough to not understand every team we play is going to continue to stack the box and force Taylor to beat them with his arm and he can't and won't do that. Just trying to understand why McD is latched on to a guy that Doug Whaley even tried to get rid off before he was fired. It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Funny and sad all at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Every non Taylor homer could tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: How useless is every single DC who had the talent and didn't bother easily prepping to do this to Tyrod? I hate to simplify it, but NFL coaches can be incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 When the game is close or the Bills are ahead, I'm so glad for a QB like TT who won't throw interceptions. It seems to me people forget how bad many INTs are for momentum, killing drives, leaving points of the board, etc. But when behind, he STILL refuses to throw to his wideouts and let'em fight for the ball. That is stupid. Like his INT stats matter more than winning. He only had one throw that could have been intercepted yesterday. Clay is the cause for the one INT, not Tyrod. But when behind by a lot, you HAVE to take some chances, it's like he never does. The wideouts must be sick of running all day for nothing. And what happened to his beautiful deep throws? I was fully on the TT bandwagon, as too many people disregard his lack of turnovers and elusiveness while they are amazing sides of him, but his lacks are not getting better at all, and way too big. His lack of accuracy of late is baaaaad. Throwing few passes, he never had the chance to get in a groove, but in the past he still made some killer throws. Now he's become Captain Checkdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Tyrod only has his legs to offer surprises. This is embarrassing, it's time to make a change. When teams expose TT week after week for not being a proper QB, we are going no where. The blueprint to beat the Bills is our there and now the fall is on...I'd be surprised if we make it to 8 wins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I'm sitting here wishing we had Case Keenum. So crazy. Almost any halfway decent current back up would be able to at least do something with KB, Matthews, Clay...come on!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I hate to simplify it, but NFL coaches can be incredibly stupid. I'm charitably guessing that the bottom 1/3 of the NFL team DC are just trying to teach them a proper stance out there and how to guard their privates, no time for strategy or keying in on anything by the opposition. but the top 2/3 should not be fooled for one second by TT's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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