Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: . Call me Mrs Petrerman. Mrs Petrerman! Mrs Petrerman!! ??? Sorry. I couldn’t help myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: Mrs Petrerman! Mrs Petrerman!! ??? Sorry. I couldn’t help myself. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Peterman was throwing underneath against a prevent shell. The defense is giving him the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Like TT? Not much promise left to see in that one. Chargers are the only winnable game currently, IMO Maybe as A Lynn should know how to shut TT down. 10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Still the best QB on the team who'll start as long as they remain in contention. Rinse and repeat argument. Right, because no other QB on the team is capable of 9/18 56 yards and 4 first downs. Tyrod sucks and is easy to replace. The unconditional love for this guy is disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Peterman was throwing underneath against a prevent shell. The defense is giving him the middle of the field. Um, on a couple of occasions you're right....but otherwise you may have missed the Benjamin throw on the boundary, his first completion on the boundary and those are just two I can recall immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Isn't it just the greatest that Peterman came out and looked like a real QB ??? so fans can argue that proves nothing..... amusing indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Peterman was throwing underneath against a prevent shell. The defense is giving him the middle of the field. Throw to EZ wasn’t underneath. It also wasn’t a throw TT usually attempts... certainly not coming out that quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, PeterGriffin said: Maybe as A Lynn should know how to shut TT down. Make him a QB. I'm still kicking myself for turning the game off and missing a real QB under center for the Bills!!! Edited November 13, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Since it was garbage time, it isn't an excuse. It is what it is. Would Peterman have done better, we'll never know. But is 5-4 the time for experimentation? And is TT the biggest problem? I mean, the Saints had 2 100+ yard rushers. Plus some 3rd stringer ripped off a big run late to get his first NFL TD. A 94 yard drive in the 3rd that was nothing other than runs up the gut that ended in a TD for gods sake, is Peterman is going to fix that? The defense !@#$ing sucked. No QB changes that. Edited November 13, 2017 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Probably the flukiest and weakest 5-4 going forward in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, row_33 said: Probably the flukiest and weakest 5-4 going forward in NFL history. Not really. It's almost exactly like our 2011. Once coaches get a few games of film, they find weaknesses in the weak teams and exploit them. It happens almost every year to a few teams. A hot start followed by a cliff dive, followed by a 'resilient' couple of garbage wins at season end. I'm hoping for no 'resilient finish this year, only because we need this draft to count. The last two weeks exposed our team for what it really is, an group of veteran placeholders, most of which won't be back next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Finally, I’m not calling Peterman, Montana or Brady but I am calling him competent. He was billed as the most NFL ready coming out of the draft for a reason. TT is NOT, nor EVER will be a competent starting QB in the NFL. The one thing that worries me about that is, are you then getting a guy who looks pretty good, so you build around him, but in three years you figure out he reached his cap around 2 + years ago. I'm not against playing him, but the quote heard often about "most NFL ready coming out of the draft" does worry me some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I didn't care about the numbers because it is garbage time but it is refreshing to see a QB take a snap, 3 steps and the ball is out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, CodeMonkey said: Since it was garbage time, it isn't an excuse. It is what it is. Would Peterman have done better, we'll never know. But is 5-4 the time for experimentation? And is TT the biggest problem? I mean, the Saints had 2 100+ yard rushers. Plus some 3rd stringer ripped off a big run late to get his first NFL TD. A 94 yard drive in the 3rd that was nothing other than runs up the gut that ended in a TD for gods sake, is Peterman is going to fix that? The defense !@#$ing sucked. No QB changes that. Controlling the time of possession by long, methodical drives DOES help that. 31 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: The one thing that worries me about that is, are you then getting a guy who looks pretty good, so you build around him, but in three years you figure out he reached his cap around 2 + years ago. I'm not against playing him, but the quote heard often about "most NFL ready coming out of the draft" does worry me some. Other than “ Saviour Peterman , I don’t think anyone is calling him the second coming of( insert your favorite QB) Before the season started, myself and a bunch of other predicted TT’s failings. Peterman should be developed as a backup, I said. If by some miracle he is the guy... BONUS!!! But, I’m right back to: “ We aren’t going to the playoffs, let’s tank, get guys experience and get a better draft pick for next year. And before someone hits me with the “ We still have a chance BS, No! No we don’t and if by fluke of flukes we got in, woopee freaking doo. We will be knocked right back out. I want more than that and TT doesn’t offer more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I didn't care about the numbers because it is garbage time but it is refreshing to see a QB take a snap, 3 steps and the ball is out. didn't you miss 1st down: run for -1 2nd down: run for 1 yard 3rd down: checkdown for half the yardage needed 4th down: punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 14 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: And the 12th thread about TT and the QB after the defense gives up 47 points and 300 yards rushing. TT was bad today. The play calling was terrible after the first drive. The personnel decisions by McD are awful. Why is Ducasse starting? Why is Tolbert the second RB? Why is Demarco on the field? Why is Lorax playing OLB? Why does Cordy Glenn get no criticism for missing games? Today TT was the 15th reason they lost. The first 7 were the entire Bills defensive front. 8th was whatever DB was opposite White. 9, 10, an 11 were McD, Rico, and Frazier. 12, 13, and 14 were Ducasse, Mills, and Dawkins. Then you get to TT. Yes no less than 15 other players coaches stunk it up today, but 90% of the threads are about the QB. This team needs to spend all four top picks next year on the lines. This BS right here is so disturbing as a fan, you understand Tyrod Taylor threw for 56 yards and 1 INT, the 15th reason we lost? The problem starts and ends with the most important position on the field and right now this guy is playing like he should be on the practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Still a backup. If it's that obvious, why isn't he starting? Fan views rule. Why is Vlad and Mills starting? because Coaches make mistakes, the problem with coaches is they are too stubborn to admit they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: didn't you miss 1st down: run for -1 2nd down: run for 1 yard 3rd down: checkdown for half the yardage needed 4th down: punt after watching the posted link not one bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: Um, on a couple of occasions you're right....but otherwise you may have missed the Benjamin throw on the boundary, his first completion on the boundary and those are just two I can recall immediately. Every DB was playing 10-15 yards back of scrimmage. Given the situation, Peterman's performance should be taken with a shaker of salt. If Tyrod's play doesn't improve we will see Peterman in real game action soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Every DB was playing 10-15 yards back of scrimmage. Given the situation, Peterman's performance should be taken with a shaker of salt. If Tyrod's play doesn't improve we will see Peterman in real game action soon enough. Correct. But some are arguing everything Nate did. Prevent D or not we have to ask them - How does that change the fact that Nate took 3 to 5 steps then released the ball with little or no hesitation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Correct. But some are arguing everything Nate did. Prevent D or not we have to ask them - How does that change the fact that Nate took 3 to 5 steps then released the ball with little or no hesitation? It doesn't change the facts. He took what the D was giving him and looked competent in the process. Since the D isn't going to give him those looks all game every game, I think it would be a mistake to read into his performance any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: It doesn't change the facts. He took what the D was giving him and looked competent in the process. Since the D isn't going to give him those looks all game every game, I think it would be a mistake to read into his performance any further. They weren't playing that far off, most of it looked like pretty standard alignments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: They weren't playing that far off, most of it looked like pretty standard alignments. The pass to KB that he dropped, pretty tight coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: I get that Saints won this game a few quarters before Peterman even entered the game but they were still playing. His first couple passes were good. A first down on an out and a dump off over the middle for nine. He muffed the third pass on what looked like a miscommunication with O’ Leary. His fourth pass was a perfect, just missing the defender, hit his hands pass to K.Benj for a first.... which he dropped. KB does that from time to time.( Which is one reason I wasn’t excited about the pickup.) Fourth down play he handles a low snap adeptly and gets the pitch out to the back who gets stuffed. First drive/ 5 Plays/ 2 of 4 / 1 drop, 1 miss Next drive First pass / Dump off which would have netted 6 yards but results in a 15 yarder for Unnecessary Roughness. Because the Saints quit??? Second pass/ Beauty to K.Benj that hits him in stride. 21 yards. Draws accolades from announcer as best pass of the day BECAUSE it traveled more than 10(!?) yards through the air and was thrown after reading the field and finding the open man. Third pass/ 12 yarder to K. Benj with DB on him as ball gets there. TT doesn’t take that chance. Fourth pass/ Peterman recognizes man coverage on Thompson, looks off the safety to the left and slings it right, overthrowing him by 1 step. The Rookie reads the D Pre snap and knows to play off the safety with his eyes!!! Fifth pass/ he gets it out over a D lineman’s hands and hits Matthews as the DB just stops and sits watching the backfield, allowing Matthews to get open. Pass hits Matthews at the 13 and allows him to get to the six because it’s not thrown too close to the sideline like a certain someone( who has great stats because he doesn’t take chances which forces his receivers out after the catch) The ball is out before the receiver is finishing his break or has turned his head. Anticipation!!!! Sixth pass/ Peterman stands in as left side of picket is collapsing behind him, allows O’Leary time to clear the LB and Safety on a slot route, rolls that way and hits O’ Leary the only place he could. TD. O’ Leary’s First TD. The Saints were playing good D and these guys weren’t running free by any means. The most open was K.Benj on the 21 yarder when he got into a hole in the zone. A throw TT doesn’t see or make. You want your TT. You can keep your TT. This garbage about mailing it in or Garbage Time scoring is pathetic!!! The only real QB on this team came in and showed why he is the guy who should be starting. Does he win this game? Probably not. But, the Defense should actually get some rest and the score should most likely be less lopsided. Remember back when Cassel, EJ and TT were fighting for the starting position and TT clearly caused the O to have a spark. I was an EJ guy but even I admitted they looked better under TT. This is exactly the same. If you still have to make excuses about the D sucking, or O line sucking, or play calling sucking, or Saints gifting it to us etc. please give it up. Finally, I’m not calling Peterman, Montana or Brady but I am calling him competent. He was billed as the most NFL ready coming out of the draft for a reason. TT is NOT, nor EVER will be a competent starting QB in the NFL. .. Yeah... because you say not to use garbage time excuse somehow renders this obvious fact untrue is "garbage"... Taylor sucked as did the defense, offensive line, etc., would have been accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Every DB was playing 10-15 yards back of scrimmage. Given the situation, Peterman's performance should be taken with a shaker of salt. If Tyrod's play doesn't improve we will see Peterman in real game action soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 18 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: I get that Saints won this game a few quarters before Peterman even entered the game but they were still playing. His first couple passes were good. A first down on an out and a dump off over the middle for nine. He muffed the third pass on what looked like a miscommunication with O’ Leary. His fourth pass was a perfect, just missing the defender, hit his hands pass to K.Benj for a first.... which he dropped. KB does that from time to time.( Which is one reason I wasn’t excited about the pickup.) Fourth down play he handles a low snap adeptly and gets the pitch out to the back who gets stuffed. First drive/ 5 Plays/ 2 of 4 / 1 drop, 1 miss Next drive First pass / Dump off which would have netted 6 yards but results in a 15 yarder for Unnecessary Roughness. Because the Saints quit??? Second pass/ Beauty to K.Benj that hits him in stride. 21 yards. Draws accolades from announcer as best pass of the day BECAUSE it traveled more than 10(!?) yards through the air and was thrown after reading the field and finding the open man. Third pass/ 12 yarder to K. Benj with DB on him as ball gets there. TT doesn’t take that chance. Fourth pass/ Peterman recognizes man coverage on Thompson, looks off the safety to the left and slings it right, overthrowing him by 1 step. The Rookie reads the D Pre snap and knows to play off the safety with his eyes!!! Fifth pass/ he gets it out over a D lineman’s hands and hits Matthews as the DB just stops and sits watching the backfield, allowing Matthews to get open. Pass hits Matthews at the 13 and allows him to get to the six because it’s not thrown too close to the sideline like a certain someone( who has great stats because he doesn’t take chances which forces his receivers out after the catch) The ball is out before the receiver is finishing his break or has turned his head. Anticipation!!!! Sixth pass/ Peterman stands in as left side of picket is collapsing behind him, allows O’Leary time to clear the LB and Safety on a slot route, rolls that way and hits O’ Leary the only place he could. TD. O’ Leary’s First TD. The Saints were playing good D and these guys weren’t running free by any means. The most open was K.Benj on the 21 yarder when he got into a hole in the zone. A throw TT doesn’t see or make. You want your TT. You can keep your TT. This garbage about mailing it in or Garbage Time scoring is pathetic!!! The only real QB on this team came in and showed why he is the guy who should be starting. Does he win this game? Probably not. But, the Defense should actually get some rest and the score should most likely be less lopsided. Remember back when Cassel, EJ and TT were fighting for the starting position and TT clearly caused the O to have a spark. I was an EJ guy but even I admitted they looked better under TT. This is exactly the same. If you still have to make excuses about the D sucking, or O line sucking, or play calling sucking, or Saints gifting it to us etc. please give it up. Finally, I’m not calling Peterman, Montana or Brady but I am calling him competent. He was billed as the most NFL ready coming out of the draft for a reason. TT is NOT, nor EVER will be a competent starting QB in the NFL. Ah, how soon people forgot. Taylor had a garbage time performance for the ages only ten days previously. Don't read too much into these things. With a 47-3 lead, the primary motive of every defender on that field is not getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 At least the Saints didn't onside kick to rub it in even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Every DB was playing 10-15 yards back of scrimmage. Given the situation, Peterman's performance should be taken with a shaker of salt. If Tyrod's play doesn't improve we will see Peterman in real game action soon enough. They were playing press man coverage against TT??? Most of the fourth quarter was “ garbage time” . TT couldn’t get a first freaking down. The announcers on my feed were imploring him to get the ball out repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: They were playing press man coverage against TT??? Most of the fourth quarter was “ garbage time” . TT couldn’t get a first freaking down. The announcers on my feed were imploring him to get the ball out repeatedly. Did I f@#$ing say they were, straw boy? If you and the rest of the genius squad want to anoint another long shot based on a Jordan Palmer-esque sample size just so you can tear him down later, then go ahead, but don't twist my words to further your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) You could say garbage time started after the first run only TD drive for NO. So mid 3rd qrt to last 2 mins Taylor did nothing vs the same look he faced all game. If a defense can run the same play in the same situation and you can not find the solution that falls directly on the Qb. I think the 3rd or 4th third down checkdown they showed dennison sitting next to Taylor. No words spoken almost for show and then got up and walked away fed up. Shortly after Peterman entered. Edited November 13, 2017 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Did I f@#$ing say they were, straw boy? If you and the rest of the genius squad want to anoint another long shot based on a Jordan Palmer-esque sample size just so you can tear him down later, then go ahead, but don't twist my words to further your agenda. im·ply imˈplī/ verb strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated). "the salesmen who uses jargon to imply his superior knowledge" synonyms: insinuate, suggest, hint (at), intimate, say Hey Kiddies, Let’s use our new word in a sentence: Jauronimo implied Peterman couldn’t be judged due to lack of strong coverage from the DBs.... just like TT had been facing.... and failing against miserably. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 He is our only chance of having a competent QB on this roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Oh boy tempers are starting to flare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Oh boy tempers are starting to flare Not mine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Does it matter what the rest of the team thinks? If the QB switch is made with the playoffs still a mathematical possibility, does that send a message of panic? Is TT popular among his teammates (I think he is)? Will the players send a message one way or the other somehow? Is there anyone with insider info? I think a QB switch at this point would likely hurt morale, but I don't have any reason to know anything. I was impressed by Peterman and I would like to see him play more. I immediately noticed his high release and it seemed like he was almost passing down toward his receivers on the short over the middle passes. But I don't think he will play again until TT is injured, or if there are other garbage time situations, or if the team is mathematically eliminated and the last game becomes meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: im·ply imˈplī/ verb strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated). "the salesmen who uses jargon to imply his superior knowledge" synonyms: insinuate, suggest, hint (at), intimate, say Hey Kiddies, Let’s use our new word in a sentence: Jauronimo implied Peterman couldn’t be judged due to lack of strong coverage from the DBs.... just like TT had been facing.... and failing against miserably. ? Add that to the list of concepts that escape you. I didn't even mention Taylor's name or reference his performance. Tyrod's miserable performance has no bearing on my opinion that you shouldn't attempt to extrapolate meaningful information about Peterman's play from a ridiculous sample set against a prevent defense. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Who said it was garbage time? All I know is the ball was on the money thrown quickly and between defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: Does it matter what the rest of the team thinks? If the QB switch is made with the playoffs still a mathematical possibility, does that send a message of panic? Is TT popular among his teammates (I think he is)? Will the players send a message one way or the other somehow? Is there anyone with insider info? I think a QB switch at this point would likely hurt morale, but I don't have any reason to know anything. I was impressed by Peterman and I would like to see him play more. I immediately noticed his high release and it seemed like he was almost passing down toward his receivers on the short over the middle passes. But I don't think he will play again until TT is injured, or if there are other garbage time situations, or if the team is mathematically eliminated and the last game becomes meaningless. Practice what you preach. Just like this offseason. Are you on the bus or not? Ok now midseason are going in same directions and are you aiding in success or defeat. Because, you are a good lockeroom guy or person doesnt matter. Thats already been decided you and whoever is. Who is playing the best football. To me Milano goes in, elston sees more snaps. Taylor indiviually, than the captains are all aware that if the play doesnt improve than the rookie is going in to spark the offense. Just look at dallas houston, philly, and LA and tell me we are tanking for playing the younger qb. First though Milano goes in to put the vets at notice a bit and not get comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Add that to the list of concepts that escape you. I didn't even mention Taylor's name or reference his performance. Tyrod's miserable performance has no bearing on my opinion that you shouldn't attempt to extrapolate meaningful information about Peterman's play from a ridiculous sample set against a prevent defense. Try again. Instead of continuing to be a douche by using irony in a sentence I’ll try to explain this simply. QB 1 and QB 2 are facing roughly the same coverage and defensive effort in the last quarter of the game. QB 1 sucks. QB 2 looks good. A fair supposition would be that QB 2 is better than QB 1. The point of the thread is Peterman has QB skills and TT doesn’t therefore Peterman should play. If that’s an agenda, it’s my kind of agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Garbage time started with the 2nd half kickoff. Tyrod still couldn't do anything, Peterman did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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