LABILLBACKER Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Offer the Rams a 3rd for Sammy back? In a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 But if you multiply his yards per catch x's the coefficient of drag ÷ 6000 x's 16 over 1 he's one of the top five receiver in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 fact: I have given at least half a dozen lectures two college students at conferences. Once as the keynote speaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 In professional sports, what sort of athlete is the most motivated? The ones who are in a contract year. Diva or not, the Bills had the chance to have Sammy playing for a contract for the next four consecutive years without having to risk a significant portion of their available cap. Sammy's unquestionably talented. Motivation + talent = a dangerous weapon for a team who's completely devoid of dangerous weapons. Trading a WR just because he wants the ball is... well, Billsy. ironically, in a contract year, as you confirmed. He just apologized to his young star QB because he gave up on a play. Just saying, if this kid wasn't a head case. A lazy and often hurt prima donna. He would probably be a better teammate. He would probably be in higher demand. The writing is on the wall with him at this point. He's got a ton of baggage and his production doesn't compensate for it. It's pretty easy to see. Not quite sure what all the excuses are for him. To this point he's produced next to nothing in this league. If he was not so beloved around here he would have been called a bust a long long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 fact: I have given at least half a dozen lectures two college students at conferences. Once as the keynote speaker to be fair lectures to senior citizens are generally dull haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4X6Fxr98QA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 People seem to either ignore or forget that the last time he complained about targets, he was not only right, but they threw to him more and he dominated. I recall him quitting on his team in London and being on the sidelines watching a loss when he complained about targets. Good riddance to this punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah but this is new news. Not everyone reads every thread. (Don't turn into SabreSpace, a forum with just a dozen threads and you have to guess where stuff is being discussed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 People seem to either ignore or forget that the last time he complained about targets, he was not only right, but they threw to him more and he dominated. According to his own admission, it came at the expense of his relationships with his teammates and coaches. Fast forward to today and he has been shipped out to another team because FO didn't believe he was worth as much as he believed he was and from his own Twitter accounts, he still is doing the same thing he did before that he himself implied that he wouldn't do again and that he had learned from that mistake. Assuming he has yet another lack luster year production wise, at what point are the excuses for his continued under performance going to end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 ironically, in a contract year, as you confirmed. He just apologized to his young star QB because he gave up on a play. Just saying, if this kid wasn't a head case. A lazy and often hurt prima donna. He would probably be a better teammate. He would probably be in higher demand. The writing is on the wall with him at this point. He's got a ton of baggage and his production doesn't compensate for it. It's pretty easy to see. Not quite sure what all the excuses are for him. To this point he's produced next to nothing in this league. If he was not so beloved around here he would have been called a bust a long long time ago. I'm not making excuses for him. I know you don't like the guy and haven't for years, but his talent is evident to all those who watch him play - not just in Buffalo but around the league. His issue has been availability, and that's on him to correct. All I'm saying is that his talent is undeniable, and he has produced numbers to back it up when given the opportunity. He was far and away the best player on the Bills roster not wearing #25 from a talent perspective, and if motivation/injury concerns were really a sticking point for the front office, they had the option to force Sammy to play for a new contract for the next four consecutive seasons if they wished. Historically, that's led to career years for various malcontents throughout the NFL time and time again. There's no question the Bills are a better team with Sammy on their roster than without him - diva antics or no diva antics. But clearly, the front office did not think he was worth it for whatever reason. That "reason" is the subject of the thread and much speculation since the trade went down. If it comes out that it's primarily because he's a diva who demands the ball, as this thread is suggesting and as Boyst has intimated, that to me is no reason to dump a valuable asset for peanuts. It is, regardless of how you spin it, poor asset management because any WR worth a damn is exactly the same on that front. Now, the 3-2 Bills are stagnant on offense, fielding a WR corpse (sic) of guys who don't belong in anyone's starting lineup, and are poised to waste yet another stellar defensive unit's time. Worse, they're going to end up winning 7-8-9 games in the process and (probably, though hopefully I'm wrong) still not make the playoffs. Sammy is worth at least 2 or 3 wins to this team today. Those 2 or 3 wins are probably going to come in pretty handy when we near December. And I'd argue, diva or no diva, ending the playoff drought this year would be worth more to this front office (and the fans) than the return they got for dealing Sammy when they did. They bought high and sold low. That's my beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Anybody else think it's weird that Watkins still has a picture of him in a Bills uniform on his twitter avatar and background? They guy tweets regularly and would think he'd update it to his current team. Wish I knew how to embed tweets properly. Edited October 10, 2017 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sammy has his next contract on the line. Of course he wants targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) From what I saw Goff tried to force him the ball 3 times and it was 3 wasted downs. On one of them Watkins failed to look back for the ball. On the other two his separation was not great. I'm thinking he's just not as good as all the hype. The receiver version of CJ spiller. Edited October 10, 2017 by Charles Romes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 UGH! Who cares? Honestly? WTF? He's on the Rams. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 All I'm saying is that his talent is undeniable, and he has produced numbers to back it up when given the opportunity. He was far and away the best player on the Bills roster not wearing #25 from a talent perspective, and if motivation/injury concerns were really a sticking point for the front office, they had the option to force Sammy to play for a new contract for the next four consecutive seasons if they wished. Historically, that's led to career years for various malcontents throughout the NFL time and time again. There's no question the Bills are a better team with Sammy on their roster than without him - diva antics or no diva antics. Sammy is still in a contract year. So, where's the production? Why did a QB call out this "elite" WR for quitting on a route when said WR is in a contract year? Sammy does not appear to be a motivated WR, but he sure appears to be a motivated whiner. But clearly, the front office did not think he was worth it for whatever reason. That "reason" is the subject of the thread and much speculation since the trade went down. If it comes out that it's primarily because he's a diva who demands the ball, as this thread is suggesting and as Boyst has intimated, that to me is no reason to dump a valuable asset for peanuts. It is, regardless of how you spin it, poor asset management because any WR worth a damn is exactly the same on that front. If that asset is not producing, and the value is dropping, then dumping said valuable asset for what you can get is good asset management. Now, the 3-2 Bills are stagnant on offense, fielding a WR corpse (sic) of guys who don't belong in anyone's starting lineup, and are poised to waste yet another stellar defensive unit's time. Worse, they're going to end up winning 7-8-9 games in the process and (probably, though hopefully I'm wrong) still not make the playoffs. Sammy is worth at least 2 or 3 wins to this team today. Those 2 or 3 wins are probably going to come in pretty handy when we near December. And I'd argue, diva or no diva, ending the playoff drought this year would be worth more to this front office (and the fans) than the return they got for dealing Sammy when they did. They bought high and sold low. That's my beef. I am wondering if the Rams are beginning to believe they may have paid too much for this "valuable" asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Who said Watkins is "great", he is probably not even in the top 10 WRs in the NFL. No Sammy is not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think he's pretty great, what are you talking about? Great? Based on what exactly? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Would anyone take him back IF he wanted to resign??? Maybe for chris hogan money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I really like Sammy and thought he was the best we in that draft. I'm fed up of being wrong about this stuff (I also loved ragland) but at least I'm not the one making the decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sammy is still in a contract year. So, where's the production? Why did a QB call out this "elite" WR for quitting on a route when said WR is in a contract year? Sammy does not appear to be a motivated WR, but he sure appears to be a motivated whiner. It's Week 6 of 17. He was traded to a new team in the middle of camp. Might want to hold off on that assessment until the season is up. If that asset is not producing, and the value is dropping, then dumping said valuable asset for what you can get is good asset management. The asset was producing, and as I said, he is worth 2 to 3 wins to this team as it's currently built. Let's see if they're going to need two or three wins to make the playoffs this season, I'm guessing those wins are going to be pretty necessary. Regardless of that though, they sold him at a point when no one in the league knew if he was healthy. Even if they wanted to move from him, doing so when they did was selling him at his lowest possible value. That's not good asset management under any definition. I am wondering if the Rams are beginning to believe they may have paid too much for this "valuable" asset. They aren't. I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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